Wahama Leaving TVC ???

[93Bulldog]

93Bulldog,

Based off of your post, I'm not convinced you know much about the dynamics of a cross country team

you would be 100% correct ... lol

I've been to one event, the state cross country meet in Columbus ... I was their covering a girl from Alexander about five years ago - and she was their running for herself - no teamates ...

[fortdawg]

@ Buckeye for life---the TVC had the cross conference play in Basketball before and dropped it----Here's why, for the sake of argument let's say Ny and Alex are fighting for the league lead--Alex plays Fed at the Alley and NY has to travel to Stewart. That's not a fair pairing.

[fortdawg]

Please explain to me again what the TVC gains by rescuing the SEOAL. We didn't break it---why should we fix it. Look at the success the league has had this year in boys and Girls sports---why risk messing this up?

[NYBuckeye96]

@ Buckeye for life---the TVC had the cross conference play in Basketball before and dropped it----Here's why, for the sake of argument let's say Ny and Alex are fighting for the league lead--Alex plays Fed at the Alley and NY has to travel to Stewart. That's not a fair pairing.

Then why not just split the TVC into two different leagues right now, because that is essentially what you have in place. I don't consider it Wahama leaving the TVC, because to me, Wahama was never in the TVC in the first place. I think of the TVC OHIO as the real TVC and the TVC HOCKING as just that other group of schools that lives off the same TVC name. I'm sure many others feel the same way, regardless of which division your team is in, as this would work vice versa as well.

Some schools, including NY, don't even have the banners of the teams in the opposite division hanging in their gymnasiums. There is a River Valley banner hanging inside Wagner Gymnasium right now, but there is not a Trimble or Federal Hocking or Waterford banner anywhere in site.

[93Bulldog]

Trimble, Fed Hock, Belpre ... have always been "TVC" teams in my eyes ... I don't see the Hocking as a seperate league at all.

[Dundas]

BELPRE, FEDERAL HOCKING, Vinton County, Warren... If not for these 4 schools, Nelsonville York wouldn't be in a league called the Tri Valley Conference. If there are any teams that aren't even "considered" TVC, these "3" are not on that list.

I do agree though, that the TVC Ohio and hocking should police themselves.

[93Bulldog]

I do agree though, that the TVC Ohio and hocking should police themselves.

I don't want them seperated now Dundas ... I can't immagine the headache I would get trying to figure out how to split the trivalleyconference.com web site ... lol

[Dundas]

Im not necessary saying split up. I'm just saying that, for example, if Jackson petitioned to join the TVC Ohio division; the Ohio division teams vote. If Fort Frye wanted to join the Hocking, then the Hocking schools vote. Why on earth does it matter to Miller if Jackson joins the Ohio? Just an example. Lol the only reason to vote together should be to decide if a team wants to jump from Ohio to Hocking or vice versa. Continue to operate the divisions the same as now, but leave each division some wiggle room to govern themselves.

[fortdawg]

The Falcons would care if you consider Track a sport. I don't know if Cross Country is split up or not but in Track you compete against all TVC teams----then if you point----your total is compared to the teams in your division. An Example: A Miller athlete finishes 8th in the 100, his point matters. If you add another big school it makes it a lot harder for the smaller schools to compete. The odds would be pretty good year in and year out that an Ironman or two will finish in the top 8 in the 100. The Falcon lad is now out in the cold.

[Dundas]

The Falcons would care if you consider Track a sport. I don't know if Cross Country is split up or not but in Track you compete against all TVC teams----then if you point----your total is compared to the teams in your division. An Example: A Miller athlete finishes 8th in the 100, his point matters. If you add another big school it makes it a lot harder for the smaller schools to compete. The odds would be pretty good year in and year out that an Ironman or two will finish in the top 8 in the 100. The Falcon lad is now out in the cold.

Simple solution.. split track up too! Lol I guess the problem with that is, not many/if any Hocking schools have the facilities for track and field.

[fortdawg]

I agree with both of your points---it could be held at other places though. When I was coaching track at Miller we "Hosted" the TVC meet at VC.

[Bart Kowski]

Our petition to join the LKC was done a year ago as a response to the TVCs desire to give us the boot. We recognize the value of being in a conference. We like the TVC. We just wish we were treated in a more welcoming fashion. It does seem that our relationship has improved. However, the powers that be had the chance to change the bylaws so that we could consider our spot in the conference as permanent. "They" (meaning the Superintendents) chose not to make this change. That was the reason why we were looking at the LKC. The TVC still continues to schedule the TVC track meet the day before our regional meet. Lately, we tried desperately to schedule Meigs in football. Apparently moving open dates around is too difficult to do with a years notice. I did see where we were able to change the TVC wrestling tournament with about 36 hours notice to help Athens. Those are the kind of things that make me scratch my head and ask if we are really welcome in this conference.

Just the same.....for better or worse......we plan to stay. The TVC is a good fit for us. We will work to try to make things better and we hope others will try to work with us. I do agree with others who have posted on here that this league needs to go to three divisions. I would like to see the Hocking split geographically to alleviate some travel expense.

[teach123]

Bart,

The TVC meet has always been the week before the district meets in OHIO. You joined a league that is all Ohio teams therefore you should understand you need to comply with the Ohio rules and TVC rules. Everyone knows when they travel across the creek you follow your rules and do not comply with the TVC rules at all times.

As for moving the dates around, most athletic directors have their officials hired two-three years in advance. So my queston is, why should a league that has been around many decades bend over backwards to help a school district that bad-mouths their own league on a regular basis on this site.

[BlizzardMan]

Bart,

The TVC meet has always been the week before the district meets in OHIO. You joined a league that is all Ohio teams therefore you should understand you need to comply with the Ohio rules and TVC rules. Everyone knows when they travel across the creek you follow your rules and do not comply with the TVC rules at all times.

As for moving the dates around, most athletic directors have their officials hired two-three years in advance. So my queston is, why should a league that has been around many decades bend over backwards to help a school district that bad-mouths their own league on a regular basis on this site.

Let's be honest, the league has been out to remove Wahamawhen they figured out they will dominate the league for years to come in football. Period.

[NYBuckeye96]

Let's be honest, the league has been out to remove Wahamawhen they figured out they will dominate the league for years to come in football. Period.

If that were the case, wouldn't there have been a past effort to kick out Nelsonville-York? NY has won the TVC in football half of the years the TVC has been in existance as a conference. I don't recall there ever being a movement to kick out NY.

[93Bulldog]

They chose plan B instead NYBuckeye96 ... bring in a team that could maybe give the Bucks a run for their money ...

[Bart Kowski]

Bart,

The TVC meet has always been the week before the district meets in OHIO. You joined a league that is all Ohio teams therefore you should understand you need to comply with the Ohio rules and TVC rules. Everyone knows when they travel across the creek you follow your rules and do not comply with the TVC rules at all times.

As for moving the dates around, most athletic directors have their officials hired two-three years in advance. So my queston is, why should a league that has been around many decades bend over backwards to help a school district that bad-mouths their own league on a regular basis on this site.

Conference membership and the implied loyalty runs both ways. We were taken in as a member. Therefore, we should be able to expect cooperation on something as simple as when the league meet is. I would think that everyone would want us there. Makes those league titles a little hollow when we arent able to run our best kids in every race because we have to run again the very next day. The date of a meet is not a rule. Getting cooperation on when our open date is in football is not a rule. I cannot speak for the few folks who get on here and "bash" the TVC. Seems to me plenty of that happens from your own state. I like the TVC. I played in it and coached in it for 10 years. I am not dumb enough to think it is perfect however and I would like to see it be the best I can. That would require everyones cooperation including us........

[Texastomcats]

They need to stay in there own state. There rules are slightly different than the Ohio rules. Thats my VOTE! Stay in W VA

[Orange and Brown]

They need to stay in there own state. There rules are slightly different than the Ohio rules. Thats my VOTE! Stay in W VA

You wouldn't be saying that if you were beating pants off of them like every other Hocking team...

[The Enforcer]

I hope they stay in the TVC, They only make it better