Meigs vs Warren

[tvc_fan]

Curious to where the great years was during Lilly and Sheets years in high school.

2012/13. 10-11
2013/14. 7-13
2014/15 11-14
2015/16. 18-5

Take.notice the best record was when they were SENIORS and had 3 other starters and a 6th man that did play in the HOCKING LEAGUE.

2016/2017. 14-9

So the seasons with hocking league players on court has been the 2 best years in the last 30 years.

2011/12. 2-18. Non hocking league players..

Statistics don't lie...you can't make claim the Hocking League ruined anything. When the best seasons as of date has been with hocking players on the court.

Yes Sheets and Lilly were very good ball.players. they had a great Senior year, but they had Musser, Kennedy, Mahr and Mattox with them that year...in which were from Hocking League.

Curios to hear a few names of kids that didn't play because it became the Hocking League....because they do still offer both Hocking League and the Meigs League....that never did stop.

[BlizzardMan]

Curious to where the great years was during Lilly and Sheets years in high school.

2012/13. 10-11
2013/14. 7-13
2014/15 11-14
2015/16. 18-5

Take.notice the best record was when they were SENIORS and had 3 other starters and a 6th man that did play in the HOCKING LEAGUE.

2016/2017. 14-9

So the seasons with hocking league players on court has been the 2 best years in the last 30 years.

2011/12. 2-18. Non hocking league players..

Statistics don't lie...you can't make claim the Hocking League ruined anything. When the best seasons as of date has been with hocking players on the court.

Yes Sheets and Lilly were very good ball.players. they had a great Senior year, but they had Musser, Kennedy, Mahr and Mattox with them that year...in which were from Hocking League.

Curios to hear a few names of kids that didn't play because it became the Hocking League....because they do still offer both Hocking League and the Meigs League....that never did stop.

I think what he is saying is that the overall player development suffered or interest declined in those players. The kids who started and played all of the time developed but others didn't. Christian is one who benefited and is naturally a good basketball player. The point being the boys who quit along the way suffered long term because they got burnt out or didn't get enough coaching to develop because a few kids played the majority of the minutes in order to compete. Don't know if he's right or not and don't have much reason to care but I'm fascinated by the discussion.

[tvc_fan]

Curious to where the great years was during Lilly and Sheets years in high school.

2012/13. 10-11
2013/14. 7-13
2014/15 11-14
2015/16. 18-5

Take.notice the best record was when they were SENIORS and had 3 other starters and a 6th man that did play in the HOCKING LEAGUE.

2016/2017. 14-9

So the seasons with hocking league players on court has been the 2 best years in the last 30 years.

2011/12. 2-18. Non hocking league players..

Statistics don't lie...you can't make claim the Hocking League ruined anything. When the best seasons as of date has been with hocking players on the court.

Yes Sheets and Lilly were very good ball.players. they had a great Senior year, but they had Musser, Kennedy, Mahr and Mattox with them that year...in which were from Hocking League.

Curios to hear a few names of kids that didn't play because it became the Hocking League....because they do still offer both Hocking League and the Meigs League....that never did stop.

I think what he is saying is that the overall player development suffered or interest declined in those players. The kids who started and played all of the time developed but others didn't. Christian is one who benefited and is naturally a good basketball player. The point being the boys who quit along the way suffered long term because they got burnt out or didn't get enough coaching to develop because a few kids played the majority of the minutes in order to compete. Don't know if he's right or not and don't have much reason to care but I'm fascinated by the discussion.

It was that way in biddy league as well...you had a set.amount of players you played pretty much all the time and then you were required to play the subs 3:00 each half. So the ones playing during the non hocking league days was no different. Only difference was that you traveled a few other places to play, you played against more competitive teams instead of the same 3 or 4 over and over again.

This person is claiming that before the Hocking League players were developed better and given the proper fundamentals....if that's the case why is the records worse with the kids before the Hocking league? With the exception of sheets and Lilly, why are they the only 2 kids that helped MEIGS out before the Hocking league? Why was there more juniors and sophomores starting and seeing more.playing time sheets and Lilly's Senior year that played Hocking League.

They are making no sense in saying it was better the old ways? You cannot claim that until you see the next 5-10 years, then you do a comparison.

Meigs had a winning season last year with hocking league players and we started.out 0-4

So far we are 0-5 this season, and we have key injuries and players that quit right before the season...if we didn't have injuries and the players didn't quit...and yeas all players that played in hocking league, we would not be 0-5...still lots of basketball left and the injured will get better.

Be interesting what will be said when we are healthy and turn the season around.

[headknocker]

Thanks for making my point. Meigs hit their high point with Lilly and Sheets and the next group of seniors only had one year of the Hocking League. The decline has started now with kids who played two years Hocking League. Senior class with two or more years of Hocking League are winless. Who knows what kids would have went out. They never got the chance and consequently never developed as basketball players.

[headknocker]

Yes, I am making a prediction on the next five years.

[headknocker]

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Curious to where the great years was during Lilly and Sheets years in high school.

2012/13. 10-11
2013/14. 7-13
2014/15 11-14
2015/16. 18-5

Take.notice the best record was when they were SENIORS and had 3 other starters and a 6th man that did play in the HOCKING LEAGUE.

2016/2017. 14-9

So the seasons with hocking league players on court has been the 2 best years in the last 30 years.

2011/12. 2-18. Non hocking league players..

Statistics don't lie...you can't make claim the Hocking League ruined anything. When the best seasons as of date has been with hocking players on the court.

Yes Sheets and Lilly were very good ball.players. they had a great Senior year, but they had Musser, Kennedy, Mahr and Mattox with them that year...in which were from Hocking League.

Curios to hear a few names of kids that didn't play because it became the Hocking League....because they do still offer both Hocking League and the Meigs League....that never did stop.
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I think what he is saying is that the overall player development suffered or interest declined in those players. The kids who started and played all of the time developed but others didn't. Christian is one who benefited and is naturally a good basketball player. The point being the boys who quit along the way suffered long term because they got burnt out or didn't get enough coaching to develop because a few kids played the majority of the minutes in order to compete. Don't know if he's right or not and don't have much reason to care but I'm fascinated by the discussion.
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It was that way in biddy league as well...you had a set.amount of players you played pretty much all the time and then you were required to play the subs 3:00 each half. So the ones playing during the non hocking league days was no different. Only difference was that you traveled a few other places to play, you played against more competitive teams instead of the same 3 or 4 over and over again.

This person is claiming that before the Hocking League players were developed better and given the proper fundamentals....if that's the case why is the records worse with the kids before the Hocking league? With the exception of sheets and Lilly, why are they the only 2 kids that helped MEIGS out before the Hocking league? Why was there more juniors and sophomores starting and seeing more.playing time sheets and Lilly's Senior year that played Hocking League.

They are making no sense in saying it was better the old ways? You cannot claim that until you see the next 5-10 years, then you do a comparison.

Meigs had a winning season last year with hocking league players and we started.out 0-4

So far we are 0-5 this season, and we have key injuries and players that quit right before the season...if we didn't have injuries and the players didn't quit...and yeas all players that played in hocking league, we would not be 0-5...still lots of basketball left and the injured will get better.

Be interesting what will be said when we are healthy and turn the season around.
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Yes, I am making a prediction and would love to revisit in 5 years.

[headknocker]

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[quote=tvc_fan post_id=1620262 time=1513086495 user_id=2841]
Curious to where the great years was during Lilly and Sheets years in high school.

2012/13. 10-11
2013/14. 7-13
2014/15 11-14
2015/16. 18-5

Take.notice the best record was when they were SENIORS and had 3 other starters and a 6th man that did play in the HOCKING LEAGUE.

2016/2017. 14-9

So the seasons with hocking league players on court has been the 2 best years in the last 30 years.

2011/12. 2-18. Non hocking league players..

Statistics don't lie...you can't make claim the Hocking League ruined anything. When the best seasons as of date has been with hocking players on the court.

Yes Sheets and Lilly were very good ball.players. they had a great Senior year, but they had Musser, Kennedy, Mahr and Mattox with them that year...in which were from Hocking League.

Curios to hear a few names of kids that didn't play because it became the Hocking League....because they do still offer both Hocking League and the Meigs League....that never did stop.
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I think what he is saying is that the overall player development suffered or interest declined in those players. The kids who started and played all of the time developed but others didn't. Christian is one who benefited and is naturally a good basketball player. The point being the boys who quit along the way suffered long term because they got burnt out or didn't get enough coaching to develop because a few kids played the majority of the minutes in order to compete. Don't know if he's right or not and don't have much reason to care but I'm fascinated by the discussion.
[/quote]

It was that way in biddy league as well...you had a set.amount of players you played pretty much all the time and then you were required to play the subs 3:00 each half. So the ones playing during the non hocking league days was no different. Only difference was that you traveled a few other places to play, you played against more competitive teams instead of the same 3 or 4 over and over again.

This person is claiming that before the Hocking League players were developed better and given the proper fundamentals....if that's the case why is the records worse with the kids before the Hocking league? With the exception of sheets and Lilly, why are they the only 2 kids that helped MEIGS out before the Hocking league? Why was there more juniors and sophomores starting and seeing more.playing time sheets and Lilly's Senior year that played Hocking League.

They are making no sense in saying it was better the old ways? You cannot claim that until you see the next 5-10 years, then you do a comparison.

Meigs had a winning season last year with hocking league players and we started.out 0-4

So far we are 0-5 this season, and we have key injuries and players that quit right before the season...if we didn't have injuries and the players didn't quit...and yeas all players that played in hocking league, we would not be 0-5...still lots of basketball left and the injured will get better.

Be interesting what will be said when we are healthy and turn the season around.
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Yes, I am making a prediction and would love to revisit in 5 years.

[tvc_fan]

I think what he is saying is that the overall player development suffered or interest declined in those players. The kids who started and played all of the time developed but others didn't. Christian is one who benefited and is naturally a good basketball player. The point being the boys who quit along the way suffered long term because they got burnt out or didn't get enough coaching to develop because a few kids played the majority of the minutes in order to compete. Don't know if he's right or not and don't have much reason to care but I'm fascinated by the discussion.

It was that way in biddy league as well...you had a set.amount of players you played pretty much all the time and then you were required to play the subs 3:00 each half. So the ones playing during the non hocking league days was no different. Only difference was that you traveled a few other places to play, you played against more competitive teams instead of the same 3 or 4 over and over again.

This person is claiming that before the Hocking League players were developed better and given the proper fundamentals....if that's the case why is the records worse with the kids before the Hocking league? With the exception of sheets and Lilly, why are they the only 2 kids that helped MEIGS out before the Hocking league? Why was there more juniors and sophomores starting and seeing more.playing time sheets and Lilly's Senior year that played Hocking League.

They are making no sense in saying it was better the old ways? You cannot claim that until you see the next 5-10 years, then you do a comparison.

Meigs had a winning season last year with hocking league players and we started.out 0-4

So far we are 0-5 this season, and we have key injuries and players that quit right before the season...if we didn't have injuries and the players didn't quit...and yeas all players that played in hocking league, we would not be 0-5...still lots of basketball left and the injured will get better.

Be interesting what will be said when we are healthy and turn the season around.

Yes, I am making a prediction and would love to revisit in 5 years.

After further review I do believe this is someone that had a son on that hocking league team, that was always jealous of that coach and those other kids getting more playing time over his kid. Almost certain that at the time this person posting lost money because the teams started going to the Hocking League, because a certain school he was affiliated lost games being played there to bring in revenue. More revenue was being brought into the middle school.

You aren't even affiliated with Meigs anymore, so why you still being butthurt for reasons that happened 7-8 years ago...Other kids on that team developed better then others, it wasn't lack of coaching, perhaps it was lack or learning. Those same group of kids were recognized in the Jr. High level by other coaches, recognized at freshmen level. None of the kids that quit this season was because of past coaches burning them out. The boys that quit were excellent players and would have made a HUGE difference...Them quitting because of personal reasons that they made themselves as young adults. Not because a biddy league coach decided to play them in a different league.

These posts are pretty much pointless.

Meigs is 0-5 THIS YEAR.

The teams we have faced thus far is 12-3
Jackson 3-1..we lost by 6
Southern 3-0..we lost by 8
Gallipolis 3-0...we lost by 22 (had leading scorer go out in 1st and another starter go out in 3rd. kept it within 5 most of game until 4th.)
Warren 2-1..we lost by 41 (Leading scorer didn't play, 2nd leading scorer didn't play, 3rd leading scorer went down in 1st and didn't return and another went down in 4th.) ALL STARTERS OUT OF GAME except ONE Sophomore)
Ironton 1-1...We lost by 9 (Leading scorer once again still out, 2nd leading scorer was still out)

Nothing to do with Hocking League, Has to do with INJURIES!!!

[headknocker]

Don’t even understand the jealous Dad/revenue loss conspiracy theory. I am a fan for a lot longer than you and it is disappointing to finally have a good coach and to see his program undermined, not only by kids who quitt their senior year and convince others to as well, but also by a biddy league program that reduces the talent Pool.

[Ironman92]

Sounds like a lot of excuses.

[headknocker]

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[quote=tvc_fan post_id=1620262 time=1513086495 user_id=2841]
Curious to where the great years was during Lilly and Sheets years in high school.

2012/13. 10-11
2013/14. 7-13
2014/15 11-14
2015/16. 18-5

Take.notice the best record was when they were SENIORS and had 3 other starters and a 6th man that did play in the HOCKING LEAGUE.

2016/2017. 14-9

So the seasons with hocking league players on court has been the 2 best years in the last 30 years.

2011/12. 2-18. Non hocking league players..

Statistics don't lie...you can't make claim the Hocking League ruined anything. When the best seasons as of date has been with hocking players on the court.

Yes Sheets and Lilly were very good ball.players. they had a great Senior year, but they had Musser, Kennedy, Mahr and Mattox with them that year...in which were from Hocking League.

Curios to hear a few names of kids that didn't play because it became the Hocking League....because they do still offer both Hocking League and the Meigs League....that never did stop.
[/quote]

I think what he is saying is that the overall player development suffered or interest declined in those players. The kids who started and played all of the time developed but others didn't. Christian is one who benefited and is naturally a good basketball player. The point being the boys who quit along the way suffered long term because they got burnt out or didn't get enough coaching to develop because a few kids played the majority of the minutes in order to compete. Don't know if he's right or not and don't have much reason to care but I'm fascinated by the discussion.
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I wish all posts were this intelligent and thought out. Thanks Blizzard Man.

[tvc_fan]

Don’t even understand the jealous Dad/revenue loss conspiracy theory. I am a fan for a lot longer than you and it is disappointing to finally have a good coach and to see his program undermined, not only by kids who quitt their senior year and convince others to as well, but also by a biddy league program that reduces the talent Pool.

It has not just been happening since the Hocking days. When i coached my oldest son in the Meigs basketball Program we had 4 Meigs teams in just the 6th Grade level. By time that group got to be Seniors, 2012. There were only 4 Seniors left out of those 4 teams. 2 other kids transferred to Southern.

Then when I coached my middle son in 5th and 6th Grade...His Senior Season only ONE kid was on the Team (English)

Then the Seniors this year I Coached in 4th grade...And then things happened and someone else decided to coach them and they ended up playing in the Hocking League and AAU ball, some even played AAU ball for Cozart and the Shock. Only ONE Senior playing this year (Mattox)

So just in those years shows that it isn't the Hocking League changing anything, It wasn't the most recent coach changing anything. It has been a trend of Meigs players transferring and quitting. My middle boy did not love the game like his brothers and he quit playing, he was playing to please me and I wasn't allowing that.These kids become an age and make their own decisions.

I think even before 2012 boys Quit during the season. So IT'S NOT A HOCKING THING!!!

[Fonzie]

Can't say I have a horse in this Hocking biddy ball race, but what I will say is I love coming on this site and knowing when a daddy is posting about their kid.

Don't get me wrong, he has that right, but I always find humor in it.

Anyways, I wish a speedy recovery to those injured at Meigs, Mattox, Bartrum, and the others. Without a doubt, Meigs is a better ball team when they are on the court.