Since when did SEOPS become a UM board?????? Never, I hope.All the individuals you mentioned that will turn the Michigan program around, Gardner, Campbel, Foricer, Roh are all not enrolled at UM. Rod is waiting for the talent. He has the look of a poker player sitting at the WSOP with nothing in his hand and hoping that his bluffs will win it for him. Better yet, he is waiting on a new deal to see if he has better cards.
Last year before Michigan imploded against Appy State, you were crowing about the great coaching of Carr and the deep well of talent on the Michigan sidelines and your #5 pre-season rating and a run at the national title. Now, like all Michigan fans, lets throw LLoyd under the bus along with his players. Suddenly, Michigan could no longer recruit the players needed to be a top program.
It is amazing that prior to kickoff against Appy State everything was well with the Michigan program, but 4 quarters later it wasn't. Talk about your fair weather fans and bandwagon jumpers!!!!
Tressel my boy??? I like the guy and he has done well at YSU and OSU. National championships at both schools, something that is missing from Rod's resume. When all else fails, beat up on Tressel because he beats up on Michigan.
The fact with Nehlen is this, with the pressure of an undefeated season, something Rod has never faced, and a chance for a shot in the national championship game on the line, he did not stand there like a deer in your headlights, he beat Pitt and Penn State when Penn State was a national power. I really don't care what the experts say about WVU from that year, they were the ones that put them in the Fiesta Bowl against Notre Dame.
As of right now, Michigan doesn't have a defense or at least it didn't show up against Utah. Once Utah had the lead, they play didn't play to win the game, they played not to lose the game and it showed and almost got them. Sadly, Michigan wasn't up to the challenge. Oh, I forgot, Michigan doesn't have talent anymore, we are waiting on it to graduate from high school.
As for Meyer or Illinois beating WVU, I don't believe we have played them. You must be love-drunk with Rod as you are thinking this is OSU we are talking about.
Keep clicking your ruby red slippers together Dorothy and saying, "there's no place like home, there's no place like home" and when you wake up, Kansas will have a better record than Michigan, again.
No self-respecting Michigan can be proud of or take anything positive from a 2 point lose to Utah at home. Say what you want about UCLA, but they are a long way from the days of John Robinson and their national championship days, a LLOONNGG way. So that 44-6 beating of UCLA by Utah is not that impressive.
And please tell me one thing, if Michigan recruits the top players in the country year after year, why are you so excited about next years players? Didn't Rod recruit this year's freshmen? Maybe he isn't recruiting the best.
Michigan fans need to be in this for the long haul. Rod needs to finish better than .500 this year and next to keep the heat out of his kitchen and that means running out of the I once and awhile and playing some football that his team at least understands.
Again I say, the winningest program in college football did not sit on it's hands waiting on players (class of 2010) to graduate, they won with the players that were on the sidelines.
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Since when did OSU fans become such experts on Michigan, and since when has OSU fans become so obsessed with Michigan?. Michigan has talent, but it is extremly raw young talent.
No one is throwing Carr under the bus. He had talent but the knock on Carr has always been it was under developed. Cato June, Tom Brady, etc. I am not throwing anyone under the bus. Last season Michigan was beat up the entire season. Hart from game on on and Heene from game two on. I don't understand your points. If you look at the draft I believe it is pretty easy to see Michigan still has top players needed to compete, like I stated, it is just under developed.
Fair weather fans and bandwagon? If OSU loses to YSU than I am pretty sure people would be upset. There is nothing wrong with fans being upset over a loss that should have never happend.
Your point was RR struggled, my point was Tressel was 14-20 in his first 3 seasons. I am not beating up on anyone, I am stating a fact because you point to a fact that has nothing to do with anything.
Nehlan was destroyed twice when he actually played someone.
Michigan doesn't have a defense? They playd bad in the first half, but they held Utah to 90 yards total offense in the second half. Yes UTah was bad in the second half, but I would say it had something to do with Michigan sacking the QB 5 times and picking him off once.
I am not seeing many of your points.
The Florida and Illinois point was that you said RR only knows a high school offense, and I said both of those teams beat OSU running a very similar high school offense.
I am not a bandwagon or fair weather fan, I stand by them no matter what. I see improvement and I am very proud of the effort Michigan gave. It is easy to say oh this won't work and they are bad etc. when it is year number one under a new system. If I am not mistaken, many many people were ready to throw Tressel under the bus when he rolled into Michigan 5-5 in 2001; turned out alright for them. IF Michigan goes 7-5 like Tressel did in his first season, will you still be singing the same tune.
I am excited about the QB's coming in, because the players there were recruited to run a drop back scheme.
Playing football means all of a sudden running out of the I formation?
The winningest team of all time also have lost games they shouldn't have because they ran a boring vanilla offense that was predicatable.
You are not bringing me down on my team because you feel it is your duty to tell me something you think you know about better than me for some reason. I am proud of the effort I saw from Michigan.
No one is throwing Carr under the bus. He had talent but the knock on Carr has always been it was under developed. Cato June, Tom Brady, etc. I am not throwing anyone under the bus. Last season Michigan was beat up the entire season. Hart from game on on and Heene from game two on. I don't understand your points. If you look at the draft I believe it is pretty easy to see Michigan still has top players needed to compete, like I stated, it is just under developed.
Fair weather fans and bandwagon? If OSU loses to YSU than I am pretty sure people would be upset. There is nothing wrong with fans being upset over a loss that should have never happend.
Your point was RR struggled, my point was Tressel was 14-20 in his first 3 seasons. I am not beating up on anyone, I am stating a fact because you point to a fact that has nothing to do with anything.
Nehlan was destroyed twice when he actually played someone.
Michigan doesn't have a defense? They playd bad in the first half, but they held Utah to 90 yards total offense in the second half. Yes UTah was bad in the second half, but I would say it had something to do with Michigan sacking the QB 5 times and picking him off once.
I am not seeing many of your points.
The Florida and Illinois point was that you said RR only knows a high school offense, and I said both of those teams beat OSU running a very similar high school offense.
I am not a bandwagon or fair weather fan, I stand by them no matter what. I see improvement and I am very proud of the effort Michigan gave. It is easy to say oh this won't work and they are bad etc. when it is year number one under a new system. If I am not mistaken, many many people were ready to throw Tressel under the bus when he rolled into Michigan 5-5 in 2001; turned out alright for them. IF Michigan goes 7-5 like Tressel did in his first season, will you still be singing the same tune.
I am excited about the QB's coming in, because the players there were recruited to run a drop back scheme.
Playing football means all of a sudden running out of the I formation?
The winningest team of all time also have lost games they shouldn't have because they ran a boring vanilla offense that was predicatable.
You are not bringing me down on my team because you feel it is your duty to tell me something you think you know about better than me for some reason. I am proud of the effort I saw from Michigan.
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BTW, this is a college board, not an OSU board. You want an OSU board go create one, but to my knowledge this is a college board pertaining to college sports, not OSU sports only.
It was an OSU poster who created this thread so go talk to him. I respect his opinion and the majority of his insight, so talk to someone who posts on Michigan because he respects them.
It was an OSU poster who created this thread so go talk to him. I respect his opinion and the majority of his insight, so talk to someone who posts on Michigan because he respects them.
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We need to talk to him,I am a big ten fan.Quite frankly michigan has been nothing short of a lowly ranked team that can't hold their own anymore.Coach Carr got ran out of town due to Tressel,and if RR can't beat the likes of a Utah he is going to have a short tough stint at um.I think he chose the wrong program in um,he is better suited in a conference that is wide open.(sec,pac-10,big 12)His style of coaching will not work in the big 10.ONE scenario works.........he has to change what the big 10 is about........line up bring it at you .......you know whats coming ...................stop it...I don't think he can change the face of the big 10,thus i don't think he will be there very long........just my opinion.
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peake...lets quailify a couple of points...you were the one that said this was a UM board and OSU fans came on here and bashed UM. Yes, this is a college sports forum and we can talk about anything, including Michigan, but it is not a UM board. And while I like to watch OSU, I would not call them my favorite team by a long shot, especially when I attend 4-5 WVU games a year.
Second, I never called Rodriguez's offense "high school". That was somebody else.
The whole point that you are missing is that Rod is so bullheaded that he can not make changes to his offense to react to what a defense is doing. He will run the same 6 plays the whole game, 3 to the right and 3 to the left. Pitt loaded the box on WVU and took away the horizontal game and Rod would not take the vertical game that they left wide open. USF did the same thing. Both were losses to WVU. So did Oklahoma but WVU went vertical and burnt the Sooners and came away with a win.
We WVU fans have moved on. Stewart is our coach for better or worse and the jury is out on him. White threw for 5 TD's and spread the ball around. It looks like we have moved from the run from the spread to the pass. Maybe it will work or not.
Rod could make life a lot easier on him by running some of the offense from last year, these players are more comfortable with it and they will have some success, enough that they should have beat Utah with all the chances that they gave UM.
Finally, Rod has a very hard time winning with another coaches players. He gets down on them easy because he did not recruit them. Meyer took the previous coaches players, not once or twice, but 3 times and had better seasons then his predecessors did.
I feel that UM is in for a long season and I don't think the majority of the fan base will stand for it. The big key is how fast this year's and next year's players catch on. Remember, next year's recruits will be on the learning curve just like this year's are.
There wasn't the pressure on Rod at WVU to win that there is at UM. I think the pressure and the media will wear on him quickly.
Second, I never called Rodriguez's offense "high school". That was somebody else.
The whole point that you are missing is that Rod is so bullheaded that he can not make changes to his offense to react to what a defense is doing. He will run the same 6 plays the whole game, 3 to the right and 3 to the left. Pitt loaded the box on WVU and took away the horizontal game and Rod would not take the vertical game that they left wide open. USF did the same thing. Both were losses to WVU. So did Oklahoma but WVU went vertical and burnt the Sooners and came away with a win.
We WVU fans have moved on. Stewart is our coach for better or worse and the jury is out on him. White threw for 5 TD's and spread the ball around. It looks like we have moved from the run from the spread to the pass. Maybe it will work or not.
Rod could make life a lot easier on him by running some of the offense from last year, these players are more comfortable with it and they will have some success, enough that they should have beat Utah with all the chances that they gave UM.
Finally, Rod has a very hard time winning with another coaches players. He gets down on them easy because he did not recruit them. Meyer took the previous coaches players, not once or twice, but 3 times and had better seasons then his predecessors did.
I feel that UM is in for a long season and I don't think the majority of the fan base will stand for it. The big key is how fast this year's and next year's players catch on. Remember, next year's recruits will be on the learning curve just like this year's are.
There wasn't the pressure on Rod at WVU to win that there is at UM. I think the pressure and the media will wear on him quickly.
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Well now that does explain a lot. A WVU fan telling a Michigan fan that RR won't last long. I told you from the begining you sounded like every other WVU fan that comes over to Michigan boards (let me clarify what I meant, michigan.scout.com). I have heard from WVU fans all year long how bull headed, he won't adjust, he will only run the ball, etc. Let me put it this way, Michigan fans are ok, from talking to people I know that are close to the program, everything is ok.
You want to know the difference between what Myer walked into and what RR walked into? Myer took over programs with pretty darn good QB's already in place. Alex Smith at QB for UTah, yeah #1 draft pick in the NFL, and Omar Jacobs at BG, yeah same guy that led the nation in passing yards his junior year. RR walked into a situation where he had to choose between a walk on, a redshirt freshman, and a true freshman, all of whom have never thrown a college pass.
WHy you are wrong about him not adjusting his offense. Saturday he was very balanced running 25 times, while throwing 39 times. Have you ever watched UM in the past? Carr would run it 40 times with Hart, Perry, or A-Train. Michigan is used to seeing Michigan run more than pass. Against Pitt you lost your QB, and that would be like Florida losing Tim Tebow and than being asked to beat LSU. WVU had no vertical game. LEt's be honest here, your core of wideouts were not very good. You can point to Villinova all you want, but come on. If Michigan plays Miami, OH the first game instead of Utah, than no one is saying a word. Michigan didn't play a cupcake like 99% of the college football world.
The vertical game against Oklahoma opened up because you were running at will on them.
Hahahaha, WVU fans have far from moved on from losing RR.
What good would it do to run an I formation and than turn around and teach the spread next season? Makes absolutly no since at all. Like I said, and I know much better than you about what Michigan has and doesn't have, they are playing the players aside from QB, that fit the system he wants. McGuffie, Shaw, Odoms, and Stonum are all perfect fits for this system. Minor and Borwn (old rb's) are between the tackle guys, and when they came in they used like so. The conclusion, Minor carried it 4 times and put it on the ground twice. Who is more comoftable with the old system? I would really like to know. The blocking scheme that RR runs is much more cimplistic than the old one, so why ask an inexperienced line to go back to the zone blockking scheme? As good as Ryan Mallett is did you not watch him start as a true freshman last year with a lot of weapons to work with? He still struggled, and that is why I say TP would struggle if he started at Michgian.
I alos love how everyone says with all the chances UM gave Utah. Michigan was up 10-6 andSheridan missed Minor wideopen and that would have made it 17-6, did Michigan give Utah anything? Michigan made adjustments at the half and went zone with the linebackers, and also brought in a nickle package to pick up the slots, it made all the difference. Michigan started bringing more pressure with the LB core and switched from a 4-3 to a 3-4. The result was 5 sacks, two forced fumbles, and an interception. I think Michigan had a little something to do with Utah playing bad in the second half.
You don't think the UM fan base will stand for a subpar season? Did you not watch what happend last season with a loaded (talent wise) team. Do you really think UM fans stood for a 4 loss season with a loaded team? That is why RR is here, to give him the time to make sure that something like that doesn't happen again. I think most UM fans are very realistic about what UM has at this point in time. UM returns two starters on offense, how well do you think WVU would look if they returned two starters? Michigan fans are fine and will give him the oppurtunity to impliment his system and get his players in. I love how other fan bases tell is how we should/ shouldn't react.
You want to know the difference between what Myer walked into and what RR walked into? Myer took over programs with pretty darn good QB's already in place. Alex Smith at QB for UTah, yeah #1 draft pick in the NFL, and Omar Jacobs at BG, yeah same guy that led the nation in passing yards his junior year. RR walked into a situation where he had to choose between a walk on, a redshirt freshman, and a true freshman, all of whom have never thrown a college pass.
WHy you are wrong about him not adjusting his offense. Saturday he was very balanced running 25 times, while throwing 39 times. Have you ever watched UM in the past? Carr would run it 40 times with Hart, Perry, or A-Train. Michigan is used to seeing Michigan run more than pass. Against Pitt you lost your QB, and that would be like Florida losing Tim Tebow and than being asked to beat LSU. WVU had no vertical game. LEt's be honest here, your core of wideouts were not very good. You can point to Villinova all you want, but come on. If Michigan plays Miami, OH the first game instead of Utah, than no one is saying a word. Michigan didn't play a cupcake like 99% of the college football world.
The vertical game against Oklahoma opened up because you were running at will on them.
Hahahaha, WVU fans have far from moved on from losing RR.
What good would it do to run an I formation and than turn around and teach the spread next season? Makes absolutly no since at all. Like I said, and I know much better than you about what Michigan has and doesn't have, they are playing the players aside from QB, that fit the system he wants. McGuffie, Shaw, Odoms, and Stonum are all perfect fits for this system. Minor and Borwn (old rb's) are between the tackle guys, and when they came in they used like so. The conclusion, Minor carried it 4 times and put it on the ground twice. Who is more comoftable with the old system? I would really like to know. The blocking scheme that RR runs is much more cimplistic than the old one, so why ask an inexperienced line to go back to the zone blockking scheme? As good as Ryan Mallett is did you not watch him start as a true freshman last year with a lot of weapons to work with? He still struggled, and that is why I say TP would struggle if he started at Michgian.
I alos love how everyone says with all the chances UM gave Utah. Michigan was up 10-6 andSheridan missed Minor wideopen and that would have made it 17-6, did Michigan give Utah anything? Michigan made adjustments at the half and went zone with the linebackers, and also brought in a nickle package to pick up the slots, it made all the difference. Michigan started bringing more pressure with the LB core and switched from a 4-3 to a 3-4. The result was 5 sacks, two forced fumbles, and an interception. I think Michigan had a little something to do with Utah playing bad in the second half.
You don't think the UM fan base will stand for a subpar season? Did you not watch what happend last season with a loaded (talent wise) team. Do you really think UM fans stood for a 4 loss season with a loaded team? That is why RR is here, to give him the time to make sure that something like that doesn't happen again. I think most UM fans are very realistic about what UM has at this point in time. UM returns two starters on offense, how well do you think WVU would look if they returned two starters? Michigan fans are fine and will give him the oppurtunity to impliment his system and get his players in. I love how other fan bases tell is how we should/ shouldn't react.
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peake
the big east football conference was not formed until 1991.
when wvu played notre dame for national championship they were playing as an independent.
the big east football conference was not formed until 1991.
when wvu played notre dame for national championship they were playing as an independent.
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Date Opponent Location Score W/L Attend.
9/3 (16) Bowling Green Morgantown, WV 62-14 W 53,515
9/10 (12) Cal-Fullerton Morgantown, WV 45-10 W 54,196
9/17 (12) Maryland Morgantown, WV 55-24 W 60,188
9/24 at (12) Pitt Pittsburgh, PA 31-10 W 55,978
10/1 at (7) Virginia Tech Blacksburg, VA 22-10 W 50,231
10/8 at (7) East Carolina Greenville, NC 30-10 W 33,786
10/22 (6) Boston College Morgantown, WV 59-19 W 63,145
10/29 (7) Penn State Morgantown, WV 51-30 W 66,811
11/5 at (4) Cincinnati Cincinnati, OH 51-13 W 21,511
11/12 at (4) Rutgers East Rutherford, NJ 35-25 W 32,517
11/19 (4) Syracuse (14) Morgantown, WV 31-9 W 65,127
1/2 # vs (3) Notre Dame (1) Tempe, AZ 21-34 L 74,911
493-208 631,916
9/3 (16) Bowling Green Morgantown, WV 62-14 W 53,515
9/10 (12) Cal-Fullerton Morgantown, WV 45-10 W 54,196
9/17 (12) Maryland Morgantown, WV 55-24 W 60,188
9/24 at (12) Pitt Pittsburgh, PA 31-10 W 55,978
10/1 at (7) Virginia Tech Blacksburg, VA 22-10 W 50,231
10/8 at (7) East Carolina Greenville, NC 30-10 W 33,786
10/22 (6) Boston College Morgantown, WV 59-19 W 63,145
10/29 (7) Penn State Morgantown, WV 51-30 W 66,811
11/5 at (4) Cincinnati Cincinnati, OH 51-13 W 21,511
11/12 at (4) Rutgers East Rutherford, NJ 35-25 W 32,517
11/19 (4) Syracuse (14) Morgantown, WV 31-9 W 65,127
1/2 # vs (3) Notre Dame (1) Tempe, AZ 21-34 L 74,911
493-208 631,916
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Re: Michigan v Utah
on a mission wrote:We need to talk to him,I am a big ten fan.Quite frankly michigan has been nothing short of a lowly ranked team that can't hold their own anymore.Coach Carr got ran out of town due to Tressel,and if RR can't beat the likes of a Utah he is going to have a short tough stint at um.I think he chose the wrong program in um,he is better suited in a conference that is wide open.(sec,pac-10,big 12)His style of coaching will not work in the big 10.ONE scenario works.........he has to change what the big 10 is about........line up bring it at you .......you know whats coming ...................stop it...I don't think he can change the face of the big 10,thus i don't think he will be there very long........just my opinion.
Thats why in a national title game the big ten get's embarassed! They don't the personal to stop say a mobile QB or a spread O.
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Just_A_Fan wrote:on a mission wrote:We need to talk to him,I am a big ten fan.Quite frankly michigan has been nothing short of a lowly ranked team that can't hold their own anymore.Coach Carr got ran out of town due to Tressel,and if RR can't beat the likes of a Utah he is going to have a short tough stint at um.I think he chose the wrong program in um,he is better suited in a conference that is wide open.(sec,pac-10,big 12)His style of coaching will not work in the big 10.ONE scenario works.........he has to change what the big 10 is about........line up bring it at you .......you know whats coming ...................stop it...I don't think he can change the face of the big 10,thus i don't think he will be there very long........just my opinion.
Thats why in a national title game the big ten get's embarassed! They don't the personal to stop say a mobile QB or a spread O.
LOL LOL LOL
Which QB did OSU lose to in a title game that was a scrambler? Also, only one of the teams ran the spread (UF). Quit eating the BS you are spoon fed by ESPN. OSU lost to UF because they prepared horribly as individuals (15 team practices are allowed over a 52 day period), and had injuries in an already suspect secondary. Hence the reason they zoned up all game long. They lost to LSU, because LSU has top notch talent that was also veteran, while OSU was extremely young and inexperienced.
Wisconsin stopped Arkansas' version of the spread/mobile QB known as the wildcat offense. Michigan held their own against God's spread (UF). OSU, in 2005, held Texas to 25 points (10 were scored on the first 2 drives, and Texas scored a game winning TD late) when Texas dropped 40+ on everyone else, and had the best scrambling QB I have ever seen. In 2003, OSU shut down Kansas State with Roberson and Sproles who had just hung a ton of points on Oklahoma.
I also take it that you have not watched much Big10 football. Purdue is a spread team. Northwestern is a spread team. MSU flirted with the spread for a few years. Illinois is a spread team, and have no Big10 titles to show for it, yet.
National Champions since 2000:
Oklahoma
Miami
OSU
LSU/USC
USC
Texas
UF
LSU
6 of the 9 were NOT spread teams. 8 of the 9 champions did NOT have scrambling QBs as the starter.
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Re: Michigan v Utah
just-a-fan, you don't have to be concerned about the bcs championship game,heck the team up north can't compete for the big-10 title!When they start beating the likes of utah,appy st.,they may be considered for a middle of the road team in the big -10!Good luck and i hope you can handle the punishment that is going to be dealt to this team!The OSU wagon is and will be rolling strong if you decide to jump the wagon! 
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On a mission. I hope you are talking about this year alone (can't compete for a Big Ten Title). Since 2000 Michigan has won 3 Big Ten Titles, and in 2006 was a hit to the helmet (Crable) and on side recovery away from possibly winning the Big Ten and playing in the Nationa Title Game instead. Last season Michigan and OSU played for the Big Ten Title outright. Michigan held back Heene and Hart against Wisconsin or Michigan at worst would have tied OSU for the Big Ten Title.
BTW, Purdue, a spread team, does have a Big Ten Title to their credit as does NW (2000).
Don't feel too good about stoping KSU either, Marshall held them to what 15 points that same year.
BTW, Purdue, a spread team, does have a Big Ten Title to their credit as does NW (2000).
Don't feel too good about stoping KSU either, Marshall held them to what 15 points that same year.
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peake wrote:On a mission. I hope you are talking about this year alone (can't compete for a Big Ten Title). Since 2000 Michigan has won 3 Big Ten Titles, and in 2006 was a hit to the helmet (Crable) and on side recovery away from possibly winning the Big Ten and playing in the Nationa Title Game instead. Last season Michigan and OSU played for the Big Ten Title outright. Michigan held back Heene and Hart against Wisconsin or Michigan at worst would have tied OSU for the Big Ten Title.
BTW, Purdue, a spread team, does have a Big Ten Title to their credit as does NW (2000).
Don't feel too good about stoping KSU either, Marshall held them to what 15 points that same year.
KSU was slow out of the gate that year, but then became hot and won the Big12 title.
So you think the Big10 is not equipped to stop the spread? Really? Come on. You are better than that. I'm not saying the spread isn't an effective offense. I am just saying a team obviously does not need such an offense to win at an elite level. Most national champions have not used the offense.
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Where did I ever say that Big Ten teams are unable to stop the spread? I think the teams such as Purdue (who has ran this thing pretty well for some time) and NW, neither team is going to be able to pull in talent to run the system like a Michigan or Illinois.
I am better than what. Again, I never said anything pertaining to the spread couldn't be stoped in the Big Ten.
You were the one not giving credit where credit is due. Illinois gave you fits with the spread last season, Oregon and Texas ate Michigan up in recent years. It has its advantages. I think at the college level you are better equited to win if you have a mobile QB. Charlie Ward, Tommie Frazier, Mike Vick, Vince Young, Donavon McNab, Troy Smith, Pat White, Tim Tebow, all of these QB's but two at least played in a national title game.
I see what you are saying about the offense, but just 10 years ago the college game was transitioning from a mostly run-option league to a passing set league. I think you will see more and more teams make the transition to the spread.
Against Florida, Michigan ran a version of the spread 50% of the game. It worked very very well for them. RR doesn't have Jake Long, Mike Hart, Mario Manningham, or Chad Heene to work with. If he did does anyone honestly believe he tries to run with Heene? He can adapt the system. I will say this about Ryan Mallett; he made a huge mistake leaving. He would have fit perfect in this offense and RR would have taylored it for his talents.
I am better than what. Again, I never said anything pertaining to the spread couldn't be stoped in the Big Ten.
You were the one not giving credit where credit is due. Illinois gave you fits with the spread last season, Oregon and Texas ate Michigan up in recent years. It has its advantages. I think at the college level you are better equited to win if you have a mobile QB. Charlie Ward, Tommie Frazier, Mike Vick, Vince Young, Donavon McNab, Troy Smith, Pat White, Tim Tebow, all of these QB's but two at least played in a national title game.
I see what you are saying about the offense, but just 10 years ago the college game was transitioning from a mostly run-option league to a passing set league. I think you will see more and more teams make the transition to the spread.
Against Florida, Michigan ran a version of the spread 50% of the game. It worked very very well for them. RR doesn't have Jake Long, Mike Hart, Mario Manningham, or Chad Heene to work with. If he did does anyone honestly believe he tries to run with Heene? He can adapt the system. I will say this about Ryan Mallett; he made a huge mistake leaving. He would have fit perfect in this offense and RR would have taylored it for his talents.
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Heres hoping that Michigan can get a win this weekend against Cupcake U aka Miami of Ohio. 
If that doesn't happen they can try again in a couple of weeks against University of Cupcake aka University of Toledo.
Don't go knocking other teams schedules when your own schedule has built in wins to pad the record for a bowl berth like every other team in the country.
If that doesn't happen they can try again in a couple of weeks against University of Cupcake aka University of Toledo.
Don't go knocking other teams schedules when your own schedule has built in wins to pad the record for a bowl berth like every other team in the country.
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Re: Michigan v Utah
Peake you are right Ryan Mallett would have did fine in this offense he was use to running a shot gun offense in high school so I think that RR would have made his style to fit MALLETT
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Re: Michigan v Utah
you didnt understand what i am saying. I am saying the in recent years the big ten has shown some trouble stoping a spread o. Look at last year Ill. gave OSU trouble, michigan had all kinds of trouble against usc and texas in past rose bowls its cause your players are not used to seeing that type of O. Come on was has Purdue or Nothwestern done in recent years?
Re: Michigan v Utah
USC does not run the spread.
btw, why didn't RR try to keep Mallet? He obviously just let him go and focused his attention on Pryor. Even Mallet said RR did even try to convince him to stay. There is pride and there is intelligence. Reassure the kid that you will run the offense to suit him.
btw, why didn't RR try to keep Mallet? He obviously just let him go and focused his attention on Pryor. Even Mallet said RR did even try to convince him to stay. There is pride and there is intelligence. Reassure the kid that you will run the offense to suit him.
Re: Michigan v Utah
This is from my source inside the athletic department at UM, (fiances bro). Three days after the winter quarter started RR had his first team meeting. AAir, Manningham, and Mallet were not there. RR had a meeting with Mallet that day after contacting coach Carr. RR sat down with him and said we would like you to stay and we will do everything we can do make this offense fit your skills. Mallet asked would he still go after Pryor, he said yes. They met again two days later and told Mallet the same thing, that he would like him to stay. Things looked bad so RR called Carr and had him sit down with Ryan to tell him it is in his best interest to stay and at least go through spring practice. Ryan said thanks, but no thanks.
BTW, coach Carr and Mallet never saw eye-to-eye from the get go. Mallet is arrogant, not the bad arrogant, but the I am talented and hot headed arrogant. He was sat down more than once throughout the season by Long and Heene, to talk to him about the attitude you have at Michigan.
I don't know where you got your information from about Mallet. I think it had more to do with Scott Loeffler leaving than anything.
from the Free Press:
Rich Rod has talked to Mallett and it sounds like the new coach is keeping his QB options open and hoping for Mallett to return.
"In the spread you have the ability to adapt to your offensive skill players. A passer or a runner or both. We have done that in the past and we can do that in the future as well."
BTW, coach Carr and Mallet never saw eye-to-eye from the get go. Mallet is arrogant, not the bad arrogant, but the I am talented and hot headed arrogant. He was sat down more than once throughout the season by Long and Heene, to talk to him about the attitude you have at Michigan.
I don't know where you got your information from about Mallet. I think it had more to do with Scott Loeffler leaving than anything.
from the Free Press:
Rich Rod has talked to Mallett and it sounds like the new coach is keeping his QB options open and hoping for Mallett to return.
"In the spread you have the ability to adapt to your offensive skill players. A passer or a runner or both. We have done that in the past and we can do that in the future as well."