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mlittle · Post by **mlittle** » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:24 pm

So..... pfloyd, who you like for POY?

BBALL99 · Post by **BBALL99** » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:27 pm

pfloyd needs to have his computer checked out, it looks like the letters M,A,E, and T are stuck on all caps

pfloyd · Post by **pfloyd** » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:04 pm

BBALL99 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:27 pm pfloyd needs to have his computer checked out, it looks like the letters M,A,E, and T are stuck on all caps

... might be that no matter which direction you spell it TEAM wins ... t ... e....a....m - does not ...

BBALL99 · Post by **BBALL99** » Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:09 pm

You are right. Way to many TEAMS out there who play ME ball.

Roger Mink · Post by **Roger Mink** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:50 am

After watching Piketon court level last night, I stick with my earlier rankings of:
1.Swack
2.Swingle
3.Perdue

Perdue is a very good athlete and scorer. Not sure if he has college looks but see him at the branch school level. Ball handling would need much improved to play higher. There have been a lot of great SVC players that could not play at the next level. After coaching some in college, its easy to see athletes everywhere that are much better than the svc talent. Put all 3 players against the D1 schools in Columbus. Swack is the only one that would have very similar numbers.

pfloyd · Post by **pfloyd** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:51 pm

mlittle wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:24 pm So..... pfloyd, who you like for POY?

... mlittle ... does it show ? LOL ... once in awhile a person has to throw out there "why" their opinion goes in the direction they present LOL - I take it I went overboard ? LOL ... I've watched a boat load of hoops over the many many many years, I "SEE" a lot of good basketball and outstanding basketball players ... I feel I "read" the players/teams/coaches as well as anyone ... I'm not afraid to "state" an opinion or "support" that opinion - I also am willing to let others have theirs ...

mlittle · Post by **mlittle** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:13 pm

I see nothing wrong with your breakdown of Swackhammer! It's easy to sit back and pick apart a kids game but not many holes in his. He definitely has the IT factor and the numbers to back it up.

First game I watched him in person was our first meeting at Piketon and I remember him not scoring much but I still couldn't believe the "impact" he had on the game. I was very impressed. Anybody that knows the game can see why you are so high on him. If my kid turns into half the player Swackhammer is then he'll have a good high school career.

pfloyd · Post by **pfloyd** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:01 pm

mlittle wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:13 pm I see nothing wrong with your breakdown of Swackhammer! It's easy to sit back and pick apart a kids game but not many holes in his. He definitely has the IT factor and the numbers to back it up.

First game I watched him in person was our first meeting at Piketon and I remember him not scoring much but I still couldn't believe the "impact" he had on the game. I was very impressed. Anybody that knows the game can see why you are so high on him. If my kid turns into half the player Swackhammer is then he'll have a good high school career.

... Isaac Little has the skill set to be in the discussions for POY down the road ... obviously a different body type from Swack BUT I have 3 stars beside his name on my Napkin Stats for his performance - my first eyes on Piketon this season - at Paint Valley , IL dropped 15 points on PV in the first half of the game - and YES , IL has the "IT" factor - that edge, that cockiness that ALL of the good ones have ... to be good you have to KNOW you are good !, YOU have to be willing to not succeed in order TO SUCCEED ... IL is a keeper ...

KRS · Post by **KRS** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:18 pm

After getting another look last night.
Swingle

Swackhammer
Perdue
Evans
Kennedy/Hill. Take your pick for the 5 spot.

mlittle · Post by **mlittle** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:54 pm

pfloyd wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:01 pm
mlittle wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:13 pm I see nothing wrong with your breakdown of Swackhammer! It's easy to sit back and pick apart a kids game but not many holes in his. He definitely has the IT factor and the numbers to back it up.

First game I watched him in person was our first meeting at Piketon and I remember him not scoring much but I still couldn't believe the "impact" he had on the game. I was very impressed. Anybody that knows the game can see why you are so high on him. If my kid turns into half the player Swackhammer is then he'll have a good high school career.
... Isaac Little has the skill set to be in the discussions for POY down the road ... obviously a different body type from Swack BUT I have 3 stars beside his name on my Napkin Stats for his performance - my first eyes on Piketon this season - at Paint Valley , IL dropped 15 points on PV in the first half of the game - and YES , IL has the "IT" factor - that edge, that cockiness that ALL of the good ones have ... to be good you have to KNOW you are good !, YOU have to be willing to not succeed in order TO SUCCEED ... IL is a keeper ...

Thank you piketon Floyd! I mean pfloyd!

Ironman92 · Post by **Ironman92** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:00 pm

pfloyd wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:01 pm
mlittle wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:13 pm I see nothing wrong with your breakdown of Swackhammer! It's easy to sit back and pick apart a kids game but not many holes in his. He definitely has the IT factor and the numbers to back it up.

First game I watched him in person was our first meeting at Piketon and I remember him not scoring much but I still couldn't believe the "impact" he had on the game. I was very impressed. Anybody that knows the game can see why you are so high on him. If my kid turns into half the player Swackhammer is then he'll have a good high school career.
... Isaac Little has the skill set to be in the discussions for POY down the road ... obviously a different body type from Swack BUT I have 3 stars beside his name on my Napkin Stats for his performance - my first eyes on Piketon this season - at Paint Valley , IL dropped 15 points on PV in the first half of the game - and YES , IL has the "IT" factor - that edge, that cockiness that ALL of the good ones have ... to be good you have to KNOW you are good !, YOU have to be willing to not succeed in order TO SUCCEED ... IL is a keeper ...

And has a crazy Dad....that usually helps

mlittle · Post by **mlittle** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:07 pm

Tanner Perdue case for POY!

1st in scoring
Top 5 rebounds
Top 10 assists
Top 5 free throw %
Top 10 3pt
2nd in steals
Top 10 blocks.

The only player in the league listed in all major categories in the conference!

I'll say this also. All 3 candidates will graduate and in my opinion leaving POY WIDE open for next year.

AnkleBraces · Post by **AnkleBraces** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:09 pm

pfloyd wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:01 pm Dylan Swingle as good as he is, is NOT has good as he CAN, COULD have been ... to be as good as he COULD HAVE BEEN he NEEDS others to get him the ball where he CAN BE dominant - he doesn't have that ... he doesn't have the coaching staff that has made THAT a priority for whatever reason ... Tanner Perdue IS the best scorer in the league and maybe even the SE District - when I have seen him play I have written down key words to remind after the game what impression players give me at a moment in the game - I looked back at my napkin stats ... I had "smooth", "unselfish" ,"scorer", "doesn't force himself on the game" - he is outstanding , he HAS taken over games this year with his offensive talent and ability ... TP is more valuable than Swingle has been this season ... I would place Tanner Perdue at the #2 spot ... that brings me back to Logan Swackhammer - the PG is the most important position in high school hoops ... when you think of a PG you think of someone who is a "coach on the floor", the "general", THE person who gets the others involved offensively, distributes the ball, handles the ball - takes opposing teams out of full court pressure due to the ball handling abilities of the PG, makes opponents pay IF they continue to apply pressure due the PG's ability to break pressure and transition to offense at the other end AND finish either by passing the ball or finishing on his own - IF you (you being a team) are lucky enough to have THAT guy , YOU (TEAM) is ecstatic ! you have a keeper ... Swack IS that guy ... oh but wait ... there ARE the PG's who are more than THAT court general ... they are a player that opposing teams have to account for at the offensive end because the PG can also drop a twenty+ spot on you if you think they only get others involved, they only get the ball to the bigs, the scorers where they need to get it ... SWACK is THAT guy too ... ohhhh but wait ... some , very few teams in ALL of Ohio, have a PG who can also look at a game situation , decide that TEAM needs more than what the team is capable of doing, due to the opposition, THAT guy KNOWS he has the talent, the ability to put TEAM on his shoulders and take the TEAM further, bring the TEAM back - a defensive steal for a dunk to change momentum, a 25 foot triple not once but 2 times in a row to force the opposing team to call a TO, the ability to draw the defense out, then put the ball on the floor - get to the rim, or get into the paint & dish ... Swack IS that guy ... the player of the year is the guy who not only makes TEAM better , he has the talent, the ability (scoring, passing,defense) to affect the outcome of the game with his presence on the court - my guess Swack's presence on the court has been on average real close to 32 minutes per game for the season ... Swack IS the total PG package - talent scoring wise inside/outside ... his build is a perfect defensive build for high school, length/size on the perimeter to have an advantage vs the best the opponent can put out on the perimeter ... he IS a leader - TEAM listens when he talks, he does what he preaches , works his butt off on the court and off the court , he HAS matured as a player from year one to year 4 ... his decision making with the ball is proof of his maturity imo ... and yes Swack has "IT" - you can call it what ever you want - an "edge", "cocky" ... THIS attitude IS what separates the good from the outstanding imo ... a PG, THE GUY that runs the show has to have "IT" the attitude that "I am better than you, anyone who is trying to guard me, anyone who I am guarding" ... I will beat you, my TEAM will beat your team ... that may be cocky BUT it is also the attitude that makes winners - makes a player when TEAM loses go in an look at film and figure out what HE could have done different to have made the outcome different , it's the cockiness that makes him push himself AND others to be not just as good as they can be BUT better than they can be ... it is that "I'm never satisfied attitude that makes Swack look to improve every time he steps on the court " ... he makes his TEAM what it is - outstanding ...

Perdue lead a team to the regionals at what position? PG. He can play any position. That's why he's the most valuable player. He can guard the best player (PG-C) if needed and run the point if called upon. He needs the play nearly all 32 minutes a night just like Swingle for his team to be at its best. With Piketon's guards he doesn't need to run the Pg and it keeps him fresh.

mlittle · Post by **mlittle** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:10 pm

Ironman92 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:00 pm
pfloyd wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:01 pm
mlittle wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:13 pm I see nothing wrong with your breakdown of Swackhammer! It's easy to sit back and pick apart a kids game but not many holes in his. He definitely has the IT factor and the numbers to back it up.

First game I watched him in person was our first meeting at Piketon and I remember him not scoring much but I still couldn't believe the "impact" he had on the game. I was very impressed. Anybody that knows the game can see why you are so high on him. If my kid turns into half the player Swackhammer is then he'll have a good high school career.
... Isaac Little has the skill set to be in the discussions for POY down the road ... obviously a different body type from Swack BUT I have 3 stars beside his name on my Napkin Stats for his performance - my first eyes on Piketon this season - at Paint Valley , IL dropped 15 points on PV in the first half of the game - and YES , IL has the "IT" factor - that edge, that cockiness that ALL of the good ones have ... to be good you have to KNOW you are good !, YOU have to be willing to not succeed in order TO SUCCEED ... IL is a keeper ...

And has a crazy Dad....that usually helps

My sole purpose in life is to do what I can to embarrass my children. I have earned that right!!

AnkleBraces · Post by **AnkleBraces** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:12 pm

mlittle wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:07 pm Tanner Perdue case for POY!

1st in scoring
Top 5 rebounds
Top 10 assists
Top 5 free throw %
Top 10 3pt
2nd in steals
Top 10 blocks.

The only player in the league listed in all major categories in the conference!

I'll say this also. All 3 candidates will graduate and in my opinion leaving POY WIDE open for next year.

Seems like a solid case to me! I like stats. I also like wins. Piketon lost a 1000 point scorer and 2 other multiple year starters from last season. They added Perdue and already have 5 more wins before the tourney.

Ironman92 · Post by **Ironman92** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:15 pm

C’mon fellas....about 6 pages back of the TVC POY thread

mlittle · Post by **mlittle** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:16 pm

AnkleBraces wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:12 pm
mlittle wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:07 pm Tanner Perdue case for POY!

1st in scoring
Top 5 rebounds
Top 10 assists
Top 5 free throw %
Top 10 3pt
2nd in steals
Top 10 blocks.

The only player in the league listed in all major categories in the conference!

I'll say this also. All 3 candidates will graduate and in my opinion leaving POY WIDE open for next year.
Seems like a solid case to me! I like stats. I also like wins. Piketon lost a 1000 point scorer and 2 other multiple year starters from last season. They added Perdue and already have 5 more wins before the tourney.

I have little doubt Piketon would be a 5 win team this year without him

Roger Mink · Post by **Roger Mink** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:21 pm

Swackhammer with 20 points in the first half against a good Zane Trace team that holds teams to 42ppg. If he just wanted to score, these are the nights you would see. POY.

winningaintcheap · Post by **winningaintcheap** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:45 pm

I have watched A LOT of SVC basketball in my life. Let’s make a couple points that need addressed.
1. Swingle is the leading scorer in SVC history and in his best season his team finished 4th in what is arguably the worst year the league has had in a decade. I am so sick of the argument “if you take them off the team...”. How about when they’re actually on the team? 4th Place? In this league? Doesn’t cut it for somebody who’s going to score 1800 points. He’s been out rebounded too many times for me to consider his presence a huge factor.
2. Perdue does everything for Piketon. He scores, rebounds, passes, etc. He’s their guy. He’s been consistently good every night and makes his team better by being on the court.
3. Swackhammer - as good as he is offensively - is the best defensive player in the league and it’s not even close. He are some things Logan does that don’t show up on a stat sheet.
A. He takes pressure off the other guards to open up their games. (See Brandon Kennedy all time leader in 3’s made)
B. He guards the other teams best PG every night (see game at Chillicothe - 6 assists, 0 TO’s)
C. He wins. (See 56-0 in the SVC on his career)

IMO, it’s a no brainer. Perdue and Swackhammer split as Co-POY because they are on their teams and they make everybody around them better and they are wins added to their team. They play all around, they are great scorers, and they do their job night in and night out.

Perdue & Swackhammer (Co-POY)
Swingle
Beam
Kennedy

COY - Matt Hoops

ronm001 · Post by **ronm001** » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:57 pm

winningaintcheap wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:45 pm I have watched A LOT of SVC basketball in my life. Let’s make a couple points that need addressed.
1. Swingle is the leading scorer in SVC history and in his best season his team finished 4th in what is arguably the worst year the league has had in a decade. I am so sick of the argument “if you take them off the team...”. How about when they’re actually on the team? 4th Place? In this league? Doesn’t cut it for somebody who’s going to score 1800 points. He’s been out rebounded too many times for me to consider his presence a huge factor.
2. Perdue does everything for Piketon. He scores, rebounds, passes, etc. He’s their guy. He’s been consistently good every night and makes his team better by being on the court.
3. Swackhammer - as good as he is offensively - is the best defensive player in the league and it’s not even close. He are some things Logan does that don’t show up on a stat sheet.
A. He takes pressure off the other guards to open up their games. (See Brandon Kennedy all time leader in 3’s made)
B. He guards the other teams best PG every night (see game at Chillicothe - 6 assists, 0 TO’s)
C. He wins. (See 56-0 in the SVC on his career)

IMO, it’s a no brainer. Perdue and Swackhammer split as Co-POY because they are on their teams and they make everybody around them better and they are wins added to their team. They play all around, they are great scorers, and they do their job night in and night out.

Perdue & Swackhammer (Co-POY)
Swingle
Beam
Kennedy

COY - Matt Hoops

Brilliant probably the best BB post of this season and great points

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