2018 Defending State Champs Wheelersburg Pirates Outlook

[Abe Froman]

I mean come on people make up your mind, it is the transfers or the 19 year old seniors that define our success. I wish everyone could settle on a factor lol because that has to be the reason right? I mean am I right?

Geez, man.

[Urban]

I mean come on people make up your mind, it is the transfers or the 19 year old seniors that define our success. I wish everyone could settle on a factor lol because that has to be the reason right? I mean am I right?

Geez, man.

It's both. Spin it how you want but 30 out of district players on one football team is a huge number. Players turning 19 years old in the fall and playing high school sports is rediculous no matter if it's "legal" or not.

Here are the highest Competitive Balance numbers from Division 5:
Cleveland Hts Lutheran East 79
Gilmour Academy 56
Summit Country Day 50
Cleveland Villa Angela St Joseph 44
Percell Marian 42
Canton Central Catholic 38
Elyria Catholic 37
Gahanna Columbus Academy 35
Columbus Bishop Ready 33
Cincinnati Hills Christian Academy 32
Wheelersburg 30

Just about all those schools are private schools.

Here are Division 5 CB numbers from local teams and Region 19:
Johnstown Monroe 7
Chesapeake 12
Portsmouth West 4
Rock Hill 7
Baltimore Liberty Union 5
Martins Ferry 7
Piketon 9
South Point 0
Wellston 11
Coshocton 3
Portsmouth 2
Belmont Union Local 5
Oak Hill 5
Ironton 14
West Lafayette Ridgewood 4
Minford 8
Fredricktown 7

[wobycat]

I mean come on people make up your mind, it is the transfers or the 19 year old seniors that define our success. I wish everyone could settle on a factor lol because that has to be the reason right? I mean am I right?

Geez, man.

It's both. Spin it how you want but 30 out of district players on one football team is a huge number. Players turning 19 years old in the fall and playing high school sports is rediculous no matter if it's "legal" or not.

Here are the highest Competitive Balance numbers from Division 5:
Cleveland Hts Lutheran East 79
Gilmour Academy 56
Summit Country Day 50
Cleveland Villa Angela St Joseph 44
Percell Marian 42
Canton Central Catholic 38
Elyria Catholic 37
Gahanna Columbus Academy 35
Columbus Bishop Ready 33
Cincinnati Hills Christian Academy 32
Wheelersburg 30

Just about all those schools are private schools.

Here are Division 5 CB numbers from local teams and Region 19:
Johnstown Monroe 7
Chesapeake 12
Portsmouth West 4
Rock Hill 7
Baltimore Liberty Union 5
Martins Ferry 7
Piketon 9
South Point 0
Wellston 11
Coshocton 3
Portsmouth 2
Belmont Union Local 5
Oak Hill 5
Ironton 14
West Lafayette Ridgewood 4
Minford 8
Fredricktown 7

So Burg has done the necessary to compete with the catholic schools and the well to do schools in the cold water region.

Great school, support, and coaching.

That would attract a lot of families who seek those opportunities, especially in the lower grade levels. Even having said that there are numerous student athletes that have transferred out of burg to other schools seeking something else. Those students could have been good student athletes here as well.

[Proud_Pirate63]

I mean come on people make up your mind, it is the transfers or the 19 year old seniors that define our success. I wish everyone could settle on a factor lol because that has to be the reason right? I mean am I right?

Geez, man.

It's both. Spin it how you want but 30 out of district players on one football team is a huge number. Players turning 19 years old in the fall and playing high school sports is rediculous no matter if it's "legal" or not.

Here are the highest Competitive Balance numbers from Division 5:
Cleveland Hts Lutheran East 79
Gilmour Academy 56
Summit Country Day 50
Cleveland Villa Angela St Joseph 44
Percell Marian 42
Canton Central Catholic 38
Elyria Catholic 37
Gahanna Columbus Academy 35
Columbus Bishop Ready 33
Cincinnati Hills Christian Academy 32
Wheelersburg 30

Just about all those schools are private schools.

Here are Division 5 CB numbers from local teams and Region 19:
Johnstown Monroe 7
Chesapeake 12
Portsmouth West 4
Rock Hill 7
Baltimore Liberty Union 5
Martins Ferry 7
Piketon 9
South Point 0
Wellston 11
Coshocton 3
Portsmouth 2
Belmont Union Local 5
Oak Hill 5
Ironton 14
West Lafayette Ridgewood 4
Minford 8
Fredricktown 7

You conveniently left Sciotoville Community School(Portsmouth East) off your list. They are a DVII Public School and their competitive balance number is 28. Yep 28. Their entire male enrollment is only 81.

Honestly it doesn’t matter what outsiders think of us. Unless you have been here as a student, athlete, or parent then you just will not get it. It’s not one thing that’s being done. It’s many things. You have to buy in and change the way you do things to OUR way. It will not change for you. If you are willing to do that then you will be successful on/off the field. So just continue to tear us down and we will continue to do what we do...SUCCEED.

[spider2Ybanana]

Wheelersburg has created a culture of winning and excellence both on the field and in the classroom that undoubtedly attracts families from the area. They offer opportunities that area schools simply aren't capable of offering both academically and athletically, and following the rules while doing so. Why wouldn't you want your child in a position to succeed, even if he/she doesn't play a sport? By eligibility standards, Wheelersburg abides by all laws and regulations. Does this give them an advantage in the classroom and on the field, of course, but to say they are wrong for doing so is simply ridiculous. The parents in each school system have the choice to start their child when they want to (as long as it allows them to be athletically eligible), and the fact that they decide not to take advantage of that opportunity is their choice. The argument isn't whether this choice is right or wrong because by OHSAA standards it is legal.
By creating this culture of success, Wheelersburg has gained control of the Southeast. Wheelersburg's goal is not to simply compete with teams in this area of the state, but to dominate it. The goal of a state championship is only a dream for most schools in the area, but it has become reality for Wheelersburg, and a yearly goal at that. Success breeds success and when kids see the opportunity to compete at the highest level in D5, they want to be apart of that. Wheelersburg will deal with moving to D4 when (if) this happens, but for now they focused on D5 and creating a culture of winning in the South.

[Abe Froman]

I mean come on people make up your mind, it is the transfers or the 19 year old seniors that define our success. I wish everyone could settle on a factor lol because that has to be the reason right? I mean am I right?

Geez, man.

It's both. Spin it how you want but 30 out of district players on one football team is a huge number. Players turning 19 years old in the fall and playing high school sports is rediculous no matter if it's "legal" or not.

Here are the highest Competitive Balance numbers from Division 5:
Cleveland Hts Lutheran East 79
Gilmour Academy 56
Summit Country Day 50
Cleveland Villa Angela St Joseph 44
Percell Marian 42
Canton Central Catholic 38
Elyria Catholic 37
Gahanna Columbus Academy 35
Columbus Bishop Ready 33
Cincinnati Hills Christian Academy 32
Wheelersburg 30

Just about all those schools are private schools.

What great company to be in academically and athletically, I view us on that level of excellence as well.

Thanks for pointing it out Urb.

[bleed_blue]

I mean come on people make up your mind, it is the transfers or the 19 year old seniors that define our success. I wish everyone could settle on a factor lol because that has to be the reason right? I mean am I right?

Geez, man.

It's both. Spin it how you want but 30 out of district players on one football team is a huge number. Players turning 19 years old in the fall and playing high school sports is rediculous no matter if it's "legal" or not.

Here are the highest Competitive Balance numbers from Division 5:
Cleveland Hts Lutheran East 79
Gilmour Academy 56
Summit Country Day 50
Cleveland Villa Angela St Joseph 44
Percell Marian 42
Canton Central Catholic 38
Elyria Catholic 37
Gahanna Columbus Academy 35
Columbus Bishop Ready 33
Cincinnati Hills Christian Academy 32
Wheelersburg 30

Just about all those schools are private schools.

Here are Division 5 CB numbers from local teams and Region 19:
Johnstown Monroe 7
Chesapeake 12
Portsmouth West 4
Rock Hill 7
Baltimore Liberty Union 5
Martins Ferry 7
Piketon 9
South Point 0
Wellston 11
Coshocton 3
Portsmouth 2
Belmont Union Local 5
Oak Hill 5
Ironton 14
West Lafayette Ridgewood 4
Minford 8
Fredricktown 7

With Wheelersburg real estate not being the cheapest what’s not accounted for and what has been grouped into these 30 “out of district” players are the ones that have attended Wheelersburg their entire academic career (which a majority of the kids have) are the people that have bought land and built or bought house just on the outskirts of Wheelersburg.

[rxburgfan]

I mean come on people make up your mind, it is the transfers or the 19 year old seniors that define our success. I wish everyone could settle on a factor lol because that has to be the reason right? I mean am I right?

Geez, man.

It's both. Spin it how you want but 30 out of district players on one football team is a huge number. Players turning 19 years old in the fall and playing high school sports is rediculous no matter if it's "legal" or not.

Here are the highest Competitive Balance numbers from Division 5:
Cleveland Hts Lutheran East 79
Gilmour Academy 56
Summit Country Day 50
Cleveland Villa Angela St Joseph 44
Percell Marian 42
Canton Central Catholic 38
Elyria Catholic 37
Gahanna Columbus Academy 35
Columbus Bishop Ready 33
Cincinnati Hills Christian Academy 32
Wheelersburg 30

Just about all those schools are private schools.

Here are Division 5 CB numbers from local teams and Region 19:
Johnstown Monroe 7
Chesapeake 12
Portsmouth West 4
Rock Hill 7
Baltimore Liberty Union 5
Martins Ferry 7
Piketon 9
South Point 0
Wellston 11
Coshocton 3
Portsmouth 2
Belmont Union Local 5
Oak Hill 5
Ironton 14
West Lafayette Ridgewood 4
Minford 8
Fredricktown 7

People don’t go somewhere to only be mediocre. If you had a kid that had some talent would you stay at a school that’s 6-4 or worse year after year or do you go somewhere that run 10-0?

[BigBlueNation]

I always thought that having such a small school district helps in Burgs success. I believe that Burg has the smallest school district in Scioto county that fields a football team.
I would say that coaching and community support is the biggest reason though. It also helps that there is probably kids that live in every district in Scioto county that attends school at Wheelersburg. I do know that there is kids in the West and Northwest district that goes to Burg, but I think they have went there since kindergarden though.

[Urban]

Here are Division 5 CB numbers from local teams and Region 19:

You conveniently left Sciotoville Community School(Portsmouth East) off your list. They are a DVII Public School and their competitive balance number is 28. Yep 28. Their entire male enrollment is only 81.
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Evidently reading comprehension wasn't one of your better subjects.

And where does the argument that Wheelersburg is better academically come from? Standardized test scores of an entire school? That's an average, not an identifier of the education possibilities. Most other county schools have much more poverty which in turns means less support structure, which in turn lowers academics. These kids lower the standardized test averages.

[JTEK]

I mean come on people make up your mind, it is the transfers or the 19 year old seniors that define our success. I wish everyone could settle on a factor lol because that has to be the reason right? I mean am I right?

Geez, man.

It's both. Spin it how you want but 30 out of district players on one football team is a huge number. Players turning 19 years old in the fall and playing high school sports is rediculous no matter if it's "legal" or not.

Here are the highest Competitive Balance numbers from Division 5:
Cleveland Hts Lutheran East 79
Gilmour Academy 56
Summit Country Day 50
Cleveland Villa Angela St Joseph 44
Percell Marian 42
Canton Central Catholic 38
Elyria Catholic 37
Gahanna Columbus Academy 35
Columbus Bishop Ready 33
Cincinnati Hills Christian Academy 32
Wheelersburg 30

Just about all those schools are private schools.

Here are Division 5 CB numbers from local teams and Region 19:
Johnstown Monroe 7
Chesapeake 12
Portsmouth West 4
Rock Hill 7
Baltimore Liberty Union 5
Martins Ferry 7
Piketon 9
South Point 0
Wellston 11
Coshocton 3
Portsmouth 2
Belmont Union Local 5
Oak Hill 5
Ironton 14
West Lafayette Ridgewood 4
Minford 8
Fredricktown 7

You conveniently left Sciotoville Community School(Portsmouth East) off your list. They are a DVII Public School and their competitive balance number is 28. Yep 28. Their entire male enrollment is only 81.

Honestly it doesn’t matter what outsiders think of us. Unless you have been here as a student, athlete, or parent then you just will not get it. It’s not one thing that’s being done. It’s many things. You have to buy in and change the way you do things to OUR way. It will not change for you. If you are willing to do that then you will be successful on/off the field. So just continue to tear us down and we will continue to do what we do...SUCCEED.

Man if all it takes is big open enrollment numbers east should be competing for a state title every year

[Proud_Pirate63]

It's both. Spin it how you want but 30 out of district players on one football team is a huge number. Players turning 19 years old in the fall and playing high school sports is rediculous no matter if it's "legal" or not.

Here are the highest Competitive Balance numbers from Division 5:
Cleveland Hts Lutheran East 79
Gilmour Academy 56
Summit Country Day 50
Cleveland Villa Angela St Joseph 44
Percell Marian 42
Canton Central Catholic 38
Elyria Catholic 37
Gahanna Columbus Academy 35
Columbus Bishop Ready 33
Cincinnati Hills Christian Academy 32
Wheelersburg 30

Just about all those schools are private schools.

Here are Division 5 CB numbers from local teams and Region 19:
Johnstown Monroe 7
Chesapeake 12
Portsmouth West 4
Rock Hill 7
Baltimore Liberty Union 5
Martins Ferry 7
Piketon 9
South Point 0
Wellston 11
Coshocton 3
Portsmouth 2
Belmont Union Local 5
Oak Hill 5
Ironton 14
West Lafayette Ridgewood 4
Minford 8
Fredricktown 7

You conveniently left Sciotoville Community School(Portsmouth East) off your list. They are a DVII Public School and their competitive balance number is 28. Yep 28. Their entire male enrollment is only 81.

Honestly it doesn’t matter what outsiders think of us. Unless you have been here as a student, athlete, or parent then you just will not get it. It’s not one thing that’s being done. It’s many things. You have to buy in and change the way you do things to OUR way. It will not change for you. If you are willing to do that then you will be successful on/off the field. So just continue to tear us down and we will continue to do what we do...SUCCEED.

Man if all it takes is big open enrollment numbers east should be competing for a state title every year

I guess so since some people think that is all it takes. Lol

[Urban]

Man if all it takes is big open enrollment numbers east should be competing for a state title every year

I guess so since some people think that is all it takes. Lol

State title no, but East's recent success was based almost totally on transfers. The talent has dried up and the coach left.

Wheelersburg obviously has an excellent football history. But there are reasons for the success besides coaching, expectations, and following. Several local schools have those things, but they don't have 30 transfers and old 18/19 year old seniors. Put that on Jackson, Waverly, Portsmouth West, etc and they are winning alot more games too. The playing field isn't equal.

[Proud_Pirate63]

Man if all it takes is big open enrollment numbers east should be competing for a state title every year

I guess so since some people think that is all it takes. Lol

State title no, but East's recent success was based almost totally on transfers. The talent has dried up and the coach left.

Wheelersburg obviously has an excellent football history. But there are reasons for the success besides coaching, expectations, and following. Several local schools have those things, but they don't have 30 transfers and old 18/19 year old seniors. Put that on Jackson, Waverly, Portsmouth West, etc and they are winning alot more games too. The playing field isn't equal.

Well folks, I think he got us!!! Tell him what he’s won Johnnie....a lifetime supply of Burg apparel. All we need is your mailing address. I think you live up there in EnvyVille. That’s just about 20 miles northwest of JealousTown if I’m not mistaken. Goodnight folks, remember to tip your waitress.

Looking forward to another great season of cheering on our Defending DV State Champions...The Wheelersburg Pirates

[Urban]

Typical Response

[langra]

Man if all it takes is big open enrollment numbers east should be competing for a state title every year

I guess so since some people think that is all it takes. Lol

State title no, but East's recent success was based almost totally on transfers. The talent has dried up and the coach left.

Wheelersburg obviously has an excellent football history. But there are reasons for the success besides coaching, expectations, and following. Several local schools have those things, but they don't have 30 transfers and old 18/19 year old seniors. Put that on Jackson, Waverly, Portsmouth West, etc and they are winning alot more games too. The playing field isn't equal.

Put names on these transfers or be quiet!

[Raider6309]

Why would he need to put names? Ohsaa literally has Wheelersburg outside help at 30 kids. Means 15-30 kids are from different school districts that play football. That's a lot for a small public school. No fault to Burg since most of that area is awful and Burg is probably the best school district for academics

[langra]

Why would he need to put names? Ohsaa literally has Wheelersburg outside help at 30 kids. Means 15-30 kids are from different school districts that play football. That's a lot for a small public school. No fault to Burg since most of that area is awful and Burg is probably the best school district for academics

Post it. I'd like to read it. I tried to search OHSAA but come up with nothing

[Urban]

Why would he need to put names? Ohsaa literally has Wheelersburg outside help at 30 kids. Means 15-30 kids are from different school districts that play football. That's a lot for a small public school. No fault to Burg since most of that area is awful and Burg is probably the best school district for academics

Post it. I'd like to read it. I tried to search OHSAA but come up with nothing

http://ohsaa.org/Sports-Tournaments/Foo ... ssignments

[Cato]

Competitive Balance was created when Public Schools threatened to vote for split titles because Private schools were winning approximately 80% of the titles with a small percentage of schools. CB for private schools is more difficult to calculate based off of feeder schools. There are articles about some private schools claiming unfair CB numbers because players should be tier 0 but are actually being calculated at tier 2.

Looking at the numbers Wheelersburg is hugely benefiting from out of district players. Wheelersburgs base enrollment is 175, which would put them mid to bottom in D5. But the adjustmented enrollment of 205 makes them only 6 from the D4 cutoff of 211.

When you see a powerhouse like Coldwater have a CB number of 3, a CB number of 30 is really high. Why that is is another conversation. But you can definitely see where it looks like they are taking advantage of the same things public schools have cried foul for over the years with private schools, low enrollment and high numbers/talent level.