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Irish fold like a wet tent, giving up 18 non-answered points. Brian Kelly's deal seems to be seen on television screaming at his
quarterbacks. Might want to pay attention to a defense that went from mauling Florida State's line in the first half, to, against
the same four freshmen linemen for FSU, to paper tigers. Very disappointing, but unfortunately, a very typical 2011 Notre Dame
performance. Can't finish the deal. :oops:


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Love seeing OVERRATED U go down again.


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Were they even rated at all?


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There is absolutely no excuse for Notre Dame.

It is not even close when you compare talent.

Michael Floyd is probably the 2nd best wideout in all of college football and the best player on the field.

Cierre Wood is as good a rb as you will find in america.

The ND offensive line is a very solid unit led by Trevor Robinson.

The defensive line is very solid led by Ethan Johnson and Lynch.

Possibly the best LB in the country in Te'o.

Ridiculous.

Notre Dame needs to line it up and run the football. They have a massive OL built to run it downhill and a rb who is good enough to carry the load. You want to take pressure off of Reese then try going under center, running it first, and then hit the D with play action.

That FSU team is not very good. They have a pretty good playmaker in EJ Manuel, but the rest are role players, no big difference makers. Freshmen all over the OL.

Pathetic!


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Peake, agreed on virtually all points. The difference?
How can the coach squander such a huge talent advantage?
"Holding" Florida State to 18 points was referred to as being
enough to trigger a Notre Dame blowout. Is Kelly in over his
head vs. the weight of expectations of the Notre Dame coach?


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To be honest I think he is Rich Rod at ND. His focus is offense and his DC is average at best. Lucky for Kelly he took over a program that already had very good talent on D and this has at least hid the real problem. IF Te'o would have left, they would have had to outscore teams 42-35 every game.

His QB's aren't awful, they just need to have less pressure on them to make all the plays. Run the football with that big powerful OL and then take advantage of the D with your playmakers on the outside when they decide to try and stop the run. The OL doesn't fit a spread.

Kelly is much like Rich Rod, it is his way or the highway. He needs to adjust and refuses.


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Typically we agree Peake, but I'll have to disagree on your assessment of FSU.
It is not even close when you compare talent.
I would agree, except the other way. FSU has much more talent, overall, than Notre Dame. Many more athletes and much more speed.
Cierre Wood is as good a rb as you will find in america.

The ND offensive line is a very solid unit led by Trevor Robinson.
1. He's solid, but I wouldn't start putting him in the conversation with the elite HBs. Not a slight to him though, quality back.
2. Versus one of the top defensive fronts in the nation
The defensive line is very solid led by Ethan Johnson and Lynch.
This is where ND blew the game. First half went about as expected with four freshman on the OL for FSU. But they played a lot better in the second half giving EJ time to throw and work the field. Excellent job by those young kids, but a poor job of a more experienced defensive front to not finish the game like they started.
Possibly the best LB in the country in Te'o.
A very good LB, but I'm obviously not as high on their defense as a whole as you are.
That FSU team is not very good. They have a pretty good playmaker in EJ Manuel, but the rest are role players, no big difference makers. Freshmen all over the OL.
It's hard to argue they weren't a disappointment, because they were... but because of injuries. Coming into the year the OL were a veteran unit and it looked like the offensive could run the balanced pro style they wanted, and it started that way. Once EJ got hurt and they lost to Oklahoma that was it for the team, but once he returned they started to rebound and closed the season out well.

When healthy, this FSU team is an elite squad, in my opinion. Problem being they were almost never healthy, including today with the offensive line as you pointed out. But the defense, like they did most of the year, kept them in the game. They only gave up 7 points and forced turnovers which have plagued ND all year.

They are DEEP defensively which has helped them all year and helped them tonight. Going in I thought that FSU's athletes would be the difference... ND can not match up against the Noles in that regard. We'll disagree to the end about that, lol. The games outcome falls on the defensive front for ND. Period. They should have been able to control the FSU freshmen for four quarters, not two, but I'm glad they didn't and that's a huge boost for the Noles moving forward now knowing they can be deep at the OL position next season if they stay healthy.

It's also good to point out FSU has one of the nation's best offensive line coaches and that could be what made the difference in the locker room at halftime: Rick Trickett, I thank you.

FSU has another top five recruiting class coming in with a few recruits yet to committ, but I'm not sure how high the Noles are on their list. The big highlights are Winston, who will sit behind EJ for a year, and two of the top ten DEs to add to the already DEEP and talent DL. They also return two of their top defensive backs and reload at LB. The biggest flaw for the Noles is the offensive lines health. If they are healthy they can play the balanced attack and compete with anyone.


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Wilder will be big time for F-State as soon as that frehmen line gets a little more seasoned.


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He's a great talent. They have used Devonta Freeman more this season however, mainly due to his speed. You can probably expect Wilder/Freeman to share carries with Freeman being the speedy, receiving RB. I'd suspect with his speed that Freeman will take over Reid's special teams' duties as well. But it's nice to have two really good backs to share the load together.


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Peake overhyped the ND talent and team due to them being on UM's schedule.

If that same team was not wearing gold helmets, a lot of the extra hype goes away.

They have solid players, but those are the ones listed as "lead by"

Outside of Floyd, Te'o, and Robinson, they're not impressive and just another bunch of guys.
Those 3 are quite good though.


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Then I disagree with all of you and have no problem saying it.

I have seen Notre Dame twice in person, and they have as much talent ( I am talking difference makers) as any team I saw all year. I wouldn't over hype someone because they are on our schedule, that is kind of an insult. I am pretty objective and realistic about who we play.

As Dubs mentioned Floyd, Robinson, and Te'o will all be off the board first round. FSU has 0 of those type of DIFFERENCE MAKERS on their team (maybe EJ Manuel).

FSU imo plays in probably the worst league outside of the Big East. That league is awful. FSU's offense has been as anemic as they come. I get they have speed, but lets move past this we have Florida kids over hype. I remember the hype on kids like Shaw coming out of high school, he has been merely above average for his career. That OL is solid even when healthy. When they played against Oklahoma, at home, a team that plays little defense, they still couldn't move the football. Against a very bad Florida team they couldn't move the football.

Notre Dame as always killed themselves. Turnovers is their problem. Trying to run an offense not suited for their players. If they line it up and run it at Notre Dame, like they did for a half it wasn't even a game. Then they got cute and started throwing it all over the place and relying on Reese to make plays rather then letting that massive OL do the job. I will say this about ND, they have THE BEST OL Michigan played against all season, and it is not even close.

So, where exactly is FSU superior to Notre Dame in talent?
Up front, no way, not even close.
RB? Wood>to anyone they have and it showed. Wood can catch as well as any back in america and if they actually fed him the ball 25 times a game he would be on the elite list.
WR? Please.
QB-OK I will give them that.
TE> no way.
DL-Sorry but I don't buy FSU's DL. They looked like they were getting eaten alive for three quarters against the run. They are solid nothing more. They are the product of an awful league.
LB-Te'o is better then anyone FSU has.
Secondary-here is where FSU is better and it is very obvious.

So where exactly is FSU so much more talented then ND? That defense had 0 all conference players on it to be so good.

Notre Dame killed Notre Dame, not FSU. Notre Dame kept blitzing, and finally FSU took advantage of it and hit wr's running in man coverage. If FSU is elite then college football is really bad. Michigan, the third place team in the Big Ten would have beaten that FSU team by 2-3 touchdowns imo.


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Not a good week for Notre Dame.

First, half of their football schedule enters into a more or less lifetime agreement with each other to play in football with the Big Ten - Pac 12 "collaboration" and then they go and lose their bowl game.

I wonder if they are starting to feel the squeeze up in South Bend?


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peake wrote:Then I disagree with all of you and have no problem saying it.

I have seen Notre Dame twice in person, and they have as much talent ( I am talking difference makers) as any team I saw all year. I wouldn't over hype someone because they are on our schedule, that is kind of an insult. I am pretty objective and realistic about who we play.

As Dubs mentioned Floyd, Robinson, and Te'o will all be off the board first round. FSU has 0 of those type of DIFFERENCE MAKERS on their team (maybe EJ Manuel).

FSU imo plays in probably the worst league outside of the Big East. That league is awful. FSU's offense has been as anemic as they come. I get they have speed, but lets move past this we have Florida kids over hype. I remember the hype on kids like Shaw coming out of high school, he has been merely above average for his career. That OL is solid even when healthy. When they played against Oklahoma, at home, a team that plays little defense, they still couldn't move the football. Against a very bad Florida team they couldn't move the football.

Notre Dame as always killed themselves. Turnovers is their problem. Trying to run an offense not suited for their players. If they line it up and run it at Notre Dame, like they did for a half it wasn't even a game. Then they got cute and started throwing it all over the place and relying on Reese to make plays rather then letting that massive OL do the job. I will say this about ND, they have THE BEST OL Michigan played against all season, and it is not even close.

So, where exactly is FSU superior to Notre Dame in talent?
Up front, no way, not even close.
RB? Wood>to anyone they have and it showed. Wood can catch as well as any back in america and if they actually fed him the ball 25 times a game he would be on the elite list.
WR? Please.
QB-OK I will give them that.
TE> no way.
DL-Sorry but I don't buy FSU's DL. They looked like they were getting eaten alive for three quarters against the run. They are solid nothing more. They are the product of an awful league.
LB-Te'o is better then anyone FSU has.
Secondary-here is where FSU is better and it is very obvious.

So where exactly is FSU so much more talented then ND? That defense had 0 all conference players on it to be so good.

Notre Dame killed Notre Dame, not FSU. Notre Dame kept blitzing, and finally FSU took advantage of it and hit wr's running in man coverage. If FSU is elite then college football is really bad. Michigan, the third place team in the Big Ten would have beaten that FSU team by 2-3 touchdowns imo.
Shoulda woulda coulda....

Notre Dame is not a good team. Do they have talent? Absolutely.

You can look at it one of two ways:

1.) They are good, they just beat themselves. Turnovers were their Achilles Hill.

2.) They are really not that good, thus the turnovers. The other thing is how the defense gives up points in bunches, just as FSU scored 18 straight. Once FSU made adjustments on offense, ND had no answer.

ND's offense is not balanced. Often they just throw it up with a prayer. Sure Floyd would have made a difference last night, but the only offensive weapons they had were Wood and the TE. It didnt take FSU long to figure that out and they quickly shut ND down with the exception of a couple long passes to the TE.

Kelly's though process is beyond me. I will agree with you that he has the same mentality as Rich Rod, both coming from the Big East where a speedy playmaker or two and you win games in a shoot out. That doesnt work at ND as it didnt work at UM.

The dual QB situation never works in big time college football, especially when the 2 QB's are mediocre at best.


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Some of you are right on and some are way off. Kelly got outcoached by someone named "Jimbo". Sticking with Rees all year was a huge mistake and it again bit ND in the arse. As far as talent ND has enough to win games like last night. Missing Jonas Gray was huge, although Peake likes Wood alot he cant compare to Gray. I hope that Dubs just forgot to mention Tyler Eifert because he will be playing on Sundays maybe as early as next season.

As far as future schedules Iam confident that ND will find people to play :122249 . I know USC will keep ND on the schedule at all cost, ditto for Stanford. If the Big10 doesnt have room for ND then so be it, ND will survive.


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