2018 Season Stats

[SOSoftball]

It is not always a matter of judgement or favoritism. It is a matter of knowing the rules. I have conversations with other scorekeepers and the level of knowing and differentiating is astonishing. For example; I had a person tried to convince me of an inside-the-park home run. The ball was hit hard, into the right-center field gap, the batter had turned toward second. The fielder threw the ball to the wrong cut off who dropped the ball, the batter, now runner saw this and took off for third, the cut-off fielder throws the ball to third and over throws her, and the runner scores at home. Question. What should the batter be awarded with, and who(m) committed the error(s)?

Answer: The right fielder fielded the ball cleanly, although she did throw it to the wrong person that is not an error. The error occurred, in this case when the first baseman dropped the ball, that allowed the runner to move up to an unearned base, third base. Now, the second error occurred when the first baseman overthrew the third baseman, allowing the base runner to move up another unearned base and score. Therefore, it is ruled a double, with 2 errors on the first baseman.

That is the correct scoring lol. As i was reading it that's what i had before reading the conclusion. A lot of time my score keeper will come to me after the game if it's questionable and ask me how to score it. I usually remember most the errors as a coach lol.
With the Gamechanger and MaxPreps sites to keep stats that everyone can see i do think scoring is getting a little more accurate. But with our travel team i help coach i know if a dad tells me his daughter throws 60 and hits .450 he really means she throws 54 and hits .380

Nothing against a parent, they are bragging up their kid like the SHOULD, trust me no one else will.
But I've learned to take stats as a reference point instead of an exact.

So you help coach a travel ball team and also coach a HS team, doesn't that open you up for other issues with contact outside of your season and possible recruiting violations against the school? I wasn't aware that you was allowed to do that since you are employed by a school for a HS team. Hopefully you have a younger daughter also and are referring to a travel ball team with players at the Junior High level or below. OHSAA has clear rules about contact and travel ball.

OHSAA changed that rule. As long as they still follow the No Contact Rule and don't have more than 4 girls from the same school on the team a High School coach can coach a travel team.

[SEOhio]

That is the correct scoring lol. As i was reading it that's what i had before reading the conclusion. A lot of time my score keeper will come to me after the game if it's questionable and ask me how to score it. I usually remember most the errors as a coach lol.
With the Gamechanger and MaxPreps sites to keep stats that everyone can see i do think scoring is getting a little more accurate. But with our travel team i help coach i know if a dad tells me his daughter throws 60 and hits .450 he really means she throws 54 and hits .380

Nothing against a parent, they are bragging up their kid like the SHOULD, trust me no one else will.
But I've learned to take stats as a reference point instead of an exact.

So you help coach a travel ball team and also coach a HS team, doesn't that open you up for other issues with contact outside of your season and possible recruiting violations against the school? I wasn't aware that you was allowed to do that since you are employed by a school for a HS team. Hopefully you have a younger daughter also and are referring to a travel ball team with players at the Junior High level or below. OHSAA has clear rules about contact and travel ball.

OHSAA changed that rule. As long as they still follow the No Contact Rule and don't have more than 4 girls from the same school on the team a High School coach can coach a travel team.

I didn't know that had changed. How can they follow the no contact rule and coach outside of the season? I would think a school district would not want a coach to do this because of the repercussion if the coach does not meet all the OHSAA rules. There is also issues with recruiting if a child from a travel team would transfer to that district to play. If the coach would be found to violate an OHSAA, the district would be punished along with the coach. Does the coach have to notify the district that they are coaching a travel ball team?

[SOSoftball]

The no contact period is during the month of August. Most team don't play during that month anyway.

[SEOhio]

I am reading that the no contact period occurs August-Labor Day. I noticed a lot of rules have changed and it is also interesting to read about the open gym/field rule where no instruction (batting cages, hitting ground balls, etc.) can occur at these.

[SOSoftball]

I am reading that the no contact period starts at the end of the season (tournament) and they are free to coach travel June 1-July 31 according to the OHSAA website then they are back to no contact from August 1-February.

From OHSAA:

Sport Regulation 7.5 – Coaching Out of Season in Club/Travel Softball
By now, you have certainly heard of this change – a change that will now permit school coaches to coach ‘travel’ (non-school) softball outside the
season with players from your school teams on it. With the “fall ball” craze approaching, it is important you be very clear on the limitations with this.
Though a change in this regulation does now permit school coaches this opportunity, other regulations remain unchanged that prohibit any coaching
during the August no-contact period and limit non-school/club/travel teams to 4 players that played for the same school teams the previous season
and also prohibit rotating players on and off the club/travel team roster. This information has been provided in detail to your Athletic Director.

Softball No-Contact Period
Just a simple reminder that the No-Contact Period for softball (and selected other sports) runs the ‘month of August’ – from August 1 – August 31.
Though it is fairly straight forward – NO Contact means NO Contact, you can read the specifics of the No-Contact Period at:
http://www.ohsaa.org/sports/sb/girls/20 ... ctRule.pdf

[SEOhio]

I am reading that the no contact period starts at the end of the season (tournament) and they are free to coach travel June 1-July 31 according to the OHSAA website then they are back to no contact from August 1-February.

From OHSAA:

Sport Regulation 7.5 – Coaching Out of Season in Club/Travel Softball
By now, you have certainly heard of this change – a change that will now permit school coaches to coach ‘travel’ (non-school) softball outside the
season with players from your school teams on it. With the “fall ball” craze approaching, it is important you be very clear on the limitations with this.
Though a change in this regulation does now permit school coaches this opportunity, other regulations remain unchanged that prohibit any coaching
during the August no-contact period and limit non-school/club/travel teams to 4 players that played for the same school teams the previous season
and also prohibit rotating players on and off the club/travel team roster. This information has been provided in detail to your Athletic Director.

Softball No-Contact Period
Just a simple reminder that the No-Contact Period for softball (and selected other sports) runs the ‘month of August’ – from August 1 – August 31.
Though it is fairly straight forward – NO Contact means NO Contact, you can read the specifics of the No-Contact Period at:
http://www.ohsaa.org/sports/sb/girls/20 ... ctRule.pdf

So since the information is forwarded to the athletic directors, I would assume that the coaches would have to notify the district if they coach travel ball or have anything to do with a club.

[ManitouDan2]

Some of ya'll in for a rude awakening if you the conference awards are handled in a proper , adult manner , with no " you vote for mine , I'll vote for yours " trading among the coaches . A silent , confidential vote allows for a bunch of shenanigans . Vote should be public to the coaches in the room . At least you know who is scratching who's back. I've been there , done that and really hope it has changed in 3-4 years , the best players on the championship team should USUALLY carry the hardware . Heck I've seen an SOC player get an all state award as an infielder but she mainly pitched and got shelled - mercy ruled , by the undefeated league champ , but the league champ got basically crumbs . Honestly I hope they do better and the deserving players get the hardware .

[SEOhio]

Some of ya'll in for a rude awakening if you the conference awards are handled in a proper , adult manner , with no " you vote for mine , I'll vote for yours " trading among the coaches . A silent , confidential vote allows for a bunch of shenanigans . Vote should be public to the coaches in the room . At least you know who is scratching who's back. I've been there , done that and really hope it has changed in 3-4 years , the best players on the championship team should USUALLY carry the hardware . Heck I've seen an SOC player get an all state award as an infielder but she mainly pitched and got shelled - mercy ruled , by the undefeated league champ , but the league champ got basically crumbs . Honestly I hope they do better and the deserving players get the hardware .

I am not sure how coaches can sleep at night if they allows this to happen to deserving kids. I am sure that most coaches do the right thing and vote for the best. I guess we should look when those awards come out for last names of community members and coaches.

[Browns30]

Just curious, how is it determined how many players from each team are chosen for conference awards?

[Browns30]

I mean what if team A is stacked with deserving players and say team B is very weak, I'm sure there are better players on team A who won't get anything while not as good players from Team B will?

[Gopher]

Heck I've seen an SOC player get an all state award as an infielder but she mainly pitched and got shelled - mercy ruled , by the undefeated league champ , but the league champ got basically crumbs .

I remember that.

[SEOhio]

Heck I've seen an SOC player get an all state award as an infielder but she mainly pitched and got shelled - mercy ruled , by the undefeated league champ , but the league champ got basically crumbs .

I remember that.

That is politics at its best and it happens from Little League up to the HS level. It is really sad but it happens. Some of these coaches doesn't have any remorse for their actions and just thinking of themselves or their own kid first. The first team all-conference should be the best of the best and the second team being the next best of the conference. It doesn't matter if the majority of the first team is from one or two teams if THEY are the BEST. The honorable mention is where a team can honor their best player or players if a team has more than one who demonstrated outstanding ability for the entire season. NO coach should be allowed to vote for their own team or players. The votes should also be counted by an independent person. I know many coaches wouldn't like to give up this control but that is the way it should happen. There shouldn't be any water cooler talking about a kid with other coaches and if caught they shouldn't be allowed to vote at all. Conference leaders need to step up to stop the favoritism. Coaches even think they have to make up all these team awards so that everyone is recognized. If you don't win the golden ball for the conference or on the all-conference team, then you shouldn't get a golden bat or team cheerleader award at the team banquet. The made-up award of kids these days need to STOP and they need to learn to work harder to get better. Society thinks they need to give awards for just being on the field or look for stats in the book like on base percentage for awards. Team awards should focus on wins and student achievement while juggling athletics and hs curriculum.

[Gopher]

Spot on SEOhio !

I remember a few years back a catcher got the "Defensive POY" team award because she led the team in put outs. It just so happened that the team's pitcher had over 250 Ks that year and guess who got credit for the put outs? LOL Got to make everyone feel good about themselves.

[SOSoftball]

Spot on SEOhio !

I remember a few years back a catcher got the "Defensive POY" team award because she led the team in put outs. It just so happened that the team's pitcher had over 250 Ks that year and guess who got credit for the put outs? LOL Got to make everyone feel good about themselves.

If your are scoring correctly the catcher does get credited with the putout, not the pitcher.

[hawkeyepierce]

Spot on SEOhio !

I remember a few years back a catcher got the "Defensive POY" team award because she led the team in put outs. It just so happened that the team's pitcher had over 250 Ks that year and guess who got credit for the put outs? LOL Got to make everyone feel good about themselves.

If your are scoring correctly the catcher does get credited with the putout, not the pitcher.

Yes. That is correct, the catcher is credited with the putout, because he or she has completed the out. If, the catcher drops the third strike, and throws the batter out at first, the catcher is credited with an assist and the first baseman is credited with the putout. Strikeouts are a separate category and whether the strikeout is completed by the catcher or the first baseman, or neither, the batter is safe, the pitcher is still credited with the strikeout.

[Gopher]

I understand how it is scored, been around this a while. That was not the point.

[SOSoftball]

I understand how it is scored, been around this a while. That was not the point.

Then your previous comment makes no sense. You said, "guess who got credit for the put outs? LOL". Not sure why you put "LOL" if its something you know. She got credited with the putouts cause that is who gets credited. You are acting like something was fishy that the catcher was credited.

[4thgoal]

I mean what if team A is stacked with deserving players and say team B is very weak, I'm sure there are better players on team A who won't get anything while not as good players from Team B will?

At least in the SOC, the order of finish determines how many spots you get. For example, I think Burg will get 5 total spots, 3 first team and 2 second team and it goes down from there. Makes it very tough because, as you mentioned, I would guess Burg's starters who will get no SOC award are likely better players than several who will get awards from other teams.

[SEOhio]

Spot on SEOhio !

I remember a few years back a catcher got the "Defensive POY" team award because she led the team in put outs. It just so happened that the team's pitcher had over 250 Ks that year and guess who got credit for the put outs? LOL Got to make everyone feel good about themselves.

If your are scoring correctly the catcher does get credited with the putout, not the pitcher.

Yes. That is correct, the catcher is credited with the putout, because he or she has completed the out. If, the catcher drops the third strike, and throws the batter out at first, the catcher is credited with an assist and the first baseman is credited with the putout. Strikeouts are a separate category and whether the strikeout is completed by the catcher or the first baseman, or neither, the batter is safe, the pitcher is still credited with the strikeout.

Why are HS teams keeping track of putouts anyhow other than how the out occurs. It just seems really stupid to argue about who gets the putout on a strike out in HS. Does the catcher get scored an error when it is a passed ball or when they drop the third strike and don't get the out at first? I know there are gold glove awards in MLB that accounts for but these are kids without an official scorekeeper determining if a bad hop is an error or just a good effort. Stats are definitely manipulated when coaches or parents keeping the book determines these types of things.

[Gopher]

Thanks SEOhio for getting my point. The only reason it became important was to spread the awards for that feel good moment. Just like an offensive award going to the player with the most "quality ABs" instead of highest BA or Slg %.