Scout.com reports Meyer, OSU agree to deal.

[seofan_via_dublin]

Because there actually IS an Ohio that fields a D1 program.

I mean, we could call MSU Michigan, but we like Dantonio and wouldn't want to insult his program like that!

[Bleeding Red]

Because there actually IS an Ohio that fields a D1 program.

I mean, we could call MSU Michigan, but we like Dantonio and wouldn't want to insult his program like that!

Spot on. That is why people laugh so hard at Hoke's poor attempt to put down OSU. If he would have came up with something that doesnt cross reference another university in the state, it would have been cool for the rivalry. The way he puts it, he comes off like an idiot.

He reminds me of a fat kid that jumps at the chance to say something for attention, the attention he would not otherwise get from anyone. I know he is a good coach, but that is the way I perceive him every time he talks.

I hope he enjoyed his run of winning in the rivalry, cause its come to an end. 296 days till Hoke meets reality.

[Peake]

With all do respect, I could care less about what either team references the other as, all I care about is winning.

With that being said, OSU is losing depth, and I am talking about kids who have been in the program for a couple years, and replacing it with talented young guys, but YOUNG is the key word.

OSU is going to take a few on the chin due to this, and if OSU fans aren't realistic about this then next year when you go 8-4 you are really going to be stunned.

Maybe you go a little better then that due to the Big Ten not being great, but Michigan will be full of upper class kids backed up by upper class kids, and OSU will not. I have seen this play out before, and it didn't work out well for UM.

I fully expect UM to beat OSU in Columbus next year.

[VegasEagle]

With all do respect, I could care less about what either team references the other as, all I care about is winning.

With that being said, OSU is losing depth, and I am talking about kids who have been in the program for a couple years, and replacing it with talented young guys, but YOUNG is the key word.

OSU is going to take a few on the chin due to this, and if OSU fans aren't realistic about this then next year when you go 8-4 you are really going to be stunned.

Maybe you go a little better then that due to the Big Ten not being great, but Michigan will be full of upper class kids backed up by upper class kids, and OSU will not. I have seen this play out before, and it didn't work out well for UM.

I fully expect UM to beat OSU in Columbus next year.

We are bringing back 9 staters on the O and 10 on D...I really dont see us losing 4 four games next year maybe 2 at most... And I agree with you on the name calling of either schools woody hayes stared it with TSUN and Hoke has his saying it is what it is...

[FarAwayFalcon]

With all do respect, I could care less about what either team references the other as, all I care about is winning.

With that being said, OSU is losing depth, and I am talking about kids who have been in the program for a couple years, and replacing it with talented young guys, but YOUNG is the key word.

OSU is going to take a few on the chin due to this, and if OSU fans aren't realistic about this then next year when you go 8-4 you are really going to be stunned.

Maybe you go a little better then that due to the Big Ten not being great, but Michigan will be full of upper class kids backed up by upper class kids, and OSU will not. I have seen this play out before, and it didn't work out well for UM.
I fully expect UM to beat OSU in Columbus next year.

All fair and vaild points peake. There is a huge difference between Rich Rod and Urban Meyer. Let's say UM had hired Hoke instead of the Rod. The lack of depth would have hurt, but a good quality coach would have went a long way. Not to say the depth won't be a problem, but Urban and his staff will be able to make up for some loss of depth, especially with the talent they have to work with.

[Peake]

Vegas,

Your numbers are a little off. You lost Boom, Adams, Posey, Shugarts, and Brewster. That is not returning 9 starters.

@Iron and Vegas,

I think you both are really putting too much emphasis on talent that you don't have. I am sorry but you don't have the same type of talent ready to step in that you had during the Tress era. Those backups are not your usual OSU backups that are ready to step in and be NFL ready in a year or two. Sorry. You saw it when Boom wasn't there, Hyde and Hall were not Boom. The wideouts outside of Posey were ok, nothing great. The OL was bad all year even with Adams, Shugarts, and Brewster.

The defense should be better, but outside of Simon there are not many top caliber players there. Not the type we are used to seeing at OSU. It is coming and I get that, but it is not there.

Maybe you win more then 8 based on schedule alone, but remember Urban took over a much more talented Florida team and only won 8 games his first season.

I also realize there is a difference in Rich Rod and Urban. Me saying Urban wins 8 shows I realize that. Yes if Hoke would have been the choice over Rich Rod we keep Mallett, Boren, and Arrington probably stays too. We probably go 7-5 that year. I understand developing talent, but if you look at your roster, you don't have typical OSU talent right now. Just being truthful.

[Peake]

To be more clear, when I say I have seen this play out at UM, I am referring simply to attrition.

Losing players who have been in the program for 2-3 years and replacing them with freshmen is tough to do. I didn't mean I saw Rich Rod came and changed the system and I saw the results. Totally different and I get that. I am talking simply about talent and depth. Something that OSU doesn't have like they are USED to having. I mean that with a lot of respect. OSU has been the class of the Big Ten for the past 6-7 years in terms of winning and talent. I just don't see it with OSU this year. I could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time.

[VegasEagle]

well who started for those guys when they were out hmmmmm doesnt that make them starters ???????
so pretty much we are losing Shugarts (thank god) and Brewster

http://www.nationalchamps.net/2012/earl ... ostate.htm

[Bleeding Red]

With all do respect, I could care less about what either team references the other as, all I care about is winning.

With that being said, OSU is losing depth, and I am talking about kids who have been in the program for a couple years, and replacing it with talented young guys, but YOUNG is the key word.

OSU is going to take a few on the chin due to this, and if OSU fans aren't realistic about this then next year when you go 8-4 you are really going to be stunned.

Maybe you go a little better then that due to the Big Ten not being great, but Michigan will be full of upper class kids backed up by upper class kids, and OSU will not. I have seen this play out before, and it didn't work out well for UM.

I fully expect UM to beat OSU in Columbus next year.

Miami
UCF
Cal
UAB
Mich St
Nebraska
Indiana
Purdue
Penn St
Illinois
Wisky
UM

Where in the world are you coming up with 4 losses? Seriously?

Away games are Mich St, Indiana, Penn St and Wisky. Mich St will be so so, Indiana will be mediocre, Penn State will be the Ohio State of the football world next year with the ongoing issues that will be a huge distraction. Wisky will be good.

OSU has the talent on the field next year. I am not going to sit here and say they will go 12-0, but they are far better than 8-4.

[VegasEagle]

With all do respect, I could care less about what either team references the other as, all I care about is winning.

With that being said, OSU is losing depth, and I am talking about kids who have been in the program for a couple years, and replacing it with talented young guys, but YOUNG is the key word.

OSU is going to take a few on the chin due to this, and if OSU fans aren't realistic about this then next year when you go 8-4 you are really going to be stunned.

Maybe you go a little better then that due to the Big Ten not being great, but Michigan will be full of upper class kids backed up by upper class kids, and OSU will not. I have seen this play out before, and it didn't work out well for UM.

I fully expect UM to beat OSU in Columbus next year.

Miami
UCF
Cal
UAB
Mich St
Nebraska
Indiana
Purdue
Penn St
Illinois
Wisky
UM

Where in the world are you coming up with 4 losses? Seriously?

Away games are Mich St, Indiana, Penn St and Wisky. Mich St will be so so, Indiana will be mediocre, Penn State will be the Ohio State of the football world next year with the ongoing issues that will be a huge distraction. Wisky will be good.

OSU has the talent on the field next year. I am not going to sit here and say they will go 12-0, but they are far better than 8-4.

I agree 100% I couldnt figure that out either and I say we lose 2 games next year

[smurray]

Could very well be 10-0 heading into Wisconsin.

[Peake]

I am not trying to be disrespectful but you are returning a much less talented team that lost to Purdon't!

You went 6-7 last season, it's not like you were a team on the verge of competing for a national title.

@Vegas, if you want to count the backups as starters sure, why not. Those guys were average at best that stepped in. You lost your MOST talented layers on offense (Adams, Brewster, Posey, and Boom). No other way around it. You want to act like it isn't a big deal, fine be my guest.

the possible 4 losses.

1. Michigan State at MSU. We saw how important protecting home turf as last year, the top 3 teams in the Big Ten (Wisconsin, MSU, and Michigan) all won every game at home. With that being said, MSU will be a BEAST on defense next year with THE BEST defensive player in the conference (Gholston). They have a stable of running backs, and their OL should be very solid. They brought in the best recruiting class by far at WR in the Big Ten and possibly the country. If they can get a QB to get those wideouts the ball they will be very good next year.
2. Michigan in my mind is a loss at this point. Michigan for the first time in probably 4-5 years will be led by majority of upper class players.
3. Nebraska can beat OSU again.
4. Wisconsin will still be very good up front and have a runningback that is very good. Go back and looked how you have fared in Madison lately.

[seofan_via_dublin]

If they get through Nebraska, they'll be unbeaten heading to Madison.

Shugarts had 37% of the entire teams false start penalties, THANK GOD he's gone.

They return 9 starters on offense. Posey started 2 games, Boom started 6 games, Adams started 7. At worst you can say we return 8 on offense.
The O-line will be better by default with the absence of Shugarts and Bollman!

Nathan Williams missed the entire year, he'll be an all American next year.
The Linebackers were weak last year, but once Fickell pulled his head out of his butt and put Shazier in, the play was much better.

DBs, outside of Bradley Roby, they need help. But, they have great coaches in place and will be much better just based off of having a better pass rush with a front 7 that will be 15 deep!

And finally, Michigan will not win in The Shoe next year. They barely got it done in their own place this year with the worst OSU team in 110 years!

[seofan_via_dublin]

So MSU's WR class can impact their chances against OSU, but the best recruiting class in the conference and one of the best DL classes ever can't effect OSU's chances against anyone.

Sure!

[Peake]

I am all for talking rationally but sometimes it is very hard to talk to OSU fans.

If you can look at your current roster and think it is anywhere close to OSu teams of the past then I guess we live in two different worlds.

I mean I get all of the excitement of getting a top coach, but this team just went 6-7. If this teams wins more then 10 games then Urban Meyer will be the coach of the century.

It is far easier to step in at RB or WR as a true freshmen then it is to step into play as a true freshmen at DT or DE.

I am going to stop debating, it is clear right now that I am talking to irrational people unable to look at things objectively.

[seofan_via_dublin]

Coaching idiocy made the difference between what should have been 9-3 and what was 6-6!

MSU, Nebraska, and Purdue can be directly credited to the inexperience of Fickell and the idiocy of Bollman. Penn St isn't far behind in that loss. Miami was inexperience, they beat us!

I know the losses came, and you can't change that. But!

Put this years staff on last years team and they finish the regular season 9-3.
Now take that talent and add the depth in recruiting and the proper use of the offensive talent!

Your now looking at 10-2 this year at WORST!

[Peake]

I will bet you a gentlemans drink OSU won't win 10 this year, and not that-that is a bad thing. I just don't see the Ginn's, Wells, Smith's, all-american OL on your roster I have seen in the past. Final opinion, when you have to rely on a lot of true freshmen and under class guys, it will cost you a few games. I admit after we won 11 games we weren't full of talent, but only 1 freshmen started the entire year. The past 3 years we were starting 6-7 a year.

[Bleeding Red]

If they get through Nebraska, they'll be unbeaten heading to Madison.

Shugarts had 37% of the entire teams false start penalties, THANK GOD he's gone.

They return 9 starters on offense. Posey started 2 games, Boom started 6 games, Adams started 7. At worst you can say we return 8 on offense.
The O-line will be better by default with the absence of Shugarts and Bollman!

Nathan Williams missed the entire year, he'll be an all American next year.
The Linebackers were weak last year, but once Fickell pulled his head out of his butt and put Shazier in, the play was much better.

DBs, outside of Bradley Roby, they need help. But, they have great coaches in place and will be much better just based off of having a better pass rush with a front 7 that will be 15 deep!

And finally, Michigan will not win in The Shoe next year. They barely got it done in their own place this year with the worst OSU team in 110 years!

Christian Bryant played well last year in the secondary. The kid flat tried to take people's head off. The only problem with his play was him getting out of position in coverage. I look for the secondary to be much improved next year.

I agree 1000% about our offensive line. Shuggarts was terrible, Adams was a complete flop after coming back from suspension.

Boom will be replaced by 3 kids who will be hard to stop at RB. Hall, Hyde and Smith. Smith and Hyde will be a load at RB and will flat run over people next year. Smith had butter fingers early in the year and got a reduction of playing time. I think that will change next year.

[seofan_via_dublin]

I will bet you a gentlemans drink OSU won't win 10 this year, and not that-that is a bad thing. I just don't see the Ginn's, Wells, Smith's, all-american OL on your roster I have seen in the past. Final opinion, when you have to rely on a lot of true freshmen and under class guys, it will cost you a few games. I admit after we won 11 games we weren't full of talent, but only 1 freshmen started the entire year. The past 3 years we were starting 6-7 a year.

I'll take that bet.

On a side note, Peake, are you planning to be in town for the game this year in November?

[Bleeding Red]

I will bet you a gentlemans drink OSU won't win 10 this year, and not that-that is a bad thing. I just don't see the Ginn's, Wells, Smith's, all-american OL on your roster I have seen in the past. Final opinion, when you have to rely on a lot of true freshmen and under class guys, it will cost you a few games. I admit after we won 11 games we weren't full of talent, but only 1 freshmen started the entire year. The past 3 years we were starting 6-7 a year.

You have a valid point.....but the Ginn's, Wells and Smiths won a total of 1 NC. That can go all the way back to Eddie George to Speilman.

This year's team will be well rounded with an exceptional defense. Sure there will be inexperienced players that will play on both sides of the ball, but there is talent and potential. And with guys like Nathan Williams and John Simon shoring up the D front, they will be hard to move the ball on.

Meyer's spread offense will allow B Miller to use his legs and also his arm. Last year's receiving corp will be much improved and I think we will see Meyer put alot of emphasis on the TE's Stoneburner and Fragel.

I think you will see a very explosive offense that will score a ton of points, backed by a defense that will be very solid. The only concern I have on D is the LB group, but with Shazier in the middle they will be much better. Dont forget that opposing RB's will have to get through the front D line in order to even have a chance to exploit the LB's. That will be tough for them to do.