Burg vs. Portsmouth Future??

[Cincinnati37]

What’s y’all thoughts on this

[Pa Trojan]

promise you this, If this ever happens, we will have a high level of security on our sidelines

[greygoose]

What’s y’all thoughts on this

Didn't Portsmouth drop burg this past season?? To my knowledge they're not on the schedule again soooo I guess it's a pointless talk. I guess if you're talking hypothetical for 2019 season, Trojans lose so much it wouldn't even be close.

[Beergogglebluez]

Burg too good. Not sure why the game was dropped. Other than the history the game seems pointless. There soc and we are ovc. Just a good game for gate and concessions.

[Burg_Grad_77]

promise you this, If this ever happens, we will have a high level of security on our sidelines

Can we please just let this go? No one cheated.

[rickoshay]

promise you this, If this ever happens, we will have a high level of security on our sidelines

Can we please just let this go? No one cheated.

Thats your story and you're sticking to it

[Prime Time]

Winning! Winnng is every thing!

[sportsjunky22]

promise you this, If this ever happens, we will have a high level of security on our sidelines

You do realize Mosley is a Portsmouth Grad and he also played on them early 2000 football teams.

[bbjunky81]

promise you this, If this ever happens, we will have a high level of security on our sidelines

You do realize Mosley is a Portsmouth Grad and he also played on them early 2000 football teams.

And he is also a burg transplant. A "Burg fan."

[sportsjunky22]

I'm not from Burg nor a burg fan but I do support them when they go into the tournament and such. Jealousy sucks.

[Sport Fan]

promise you this, If this ever happens, we will have a high level of security on our sidelines

You do realize Mosley is a Portsmouth Grad and he also played on them early 2000 football teams.

And he is also a burg transplant. A "Burg fan."

He is a very wise man then

[Trojan_FB_Alum]

Portsmouth would have been competitive with Burg this year, PHS strength was running the ball, Burgs Dline was not that great. PHS would have a hard time guarding Holden and Mathews though. PHS could not afford to get down in a game like this and expect to make it back like we did against Ironton, but I don’t see Burg shutting Parker down. I think this would have turned into a shootout, with Portsmouth trying to shorten the game as much as possible by sustained drives.



Now with that said, Burgs superiority complex they have needs to be taken a look at. Are they good? Obviously. Congratulations on another great season, to follow up last years state title. Do they consistently score well on state test? Yes as well.

Let’s now examine this deeper, Burg is far an above the wellthiest school in Scioto county. Bellow I have listed the percent of free or reduced lunch, for some local districts.

Burg 30.12
West42.91
Valley 42.68
East 93.12
Ironton 52.4
Portsmouth 83.89

Studies have shown wealthy districts traditionally preform better then impoverished districts, this is not to say that a poor student can’t succeed but that they are at a marked disadvantage to start.

Next let’s take at special needs, the following is percentage by district

Portsmouth 25.26
Burg 11.28
West 15.77
Valley 14.57
Ironton 11.89
East 20.22

Once again, this doesn’t nessisarly kept a student from succeeding but is yet again another deterant. The majority of these kids are still required to take state testing as well and is represented in the state reports.

Now let’s look at Burgs open enrollment form
https://filecabinet5.eschoolview.com/3D ... t_Form.pdf

One of the first questions asked is does the student have an individualized education plan? Followed by “Has the Student ever been evaluated or referred for Special Education?”. To me, this is pretty clear that these questions are ask to exclude those students that may have special needs. This seems like it would be considered discrimination, however other state have ruled on it, and as long as the school doesn’t have the means to accommodate the student they don’t have to except them, allowing them to pick an choose who they want to open enroll and who they want to exclude. This can be as simple as not having enough intervention specialist.
So let’s not act like Burgs success is all based on their superior work ethic, and natural ability. It’s based on economics and lack of inclusion. It gets a lot easier when you can pick and choice who you want to bring into your system( as other districts lose some of their wealthier and non disabled students to them because state testing paints a picture of inferiority that couldn’t be farther from the truth.) I don’t blame parents for this misconception, and doing what they think is best for their children. I do blame people that put down other districts when they haven’t considered the factors that these test and even athletic results come out the way they do. Plain and simple the economic factors and open enrollment in this matter skews the playing field and gives some districts a huge advantage by disctminating certain students because they can do nothing for your district. This is what is truly sad, as we should all be asking what the district could be doing to help these children.

I will put Portsmouth top 25% of our kids against anyone as we have consistently had this segment of students score high on standardized testing, as well as scoring high on ACT and SATs. Portsmouth also offers duel credit courses, allowing students to earn college credit at the high school, without going to SSU for post secondary, or taking an Advanced placement course and test.

[wobycat]

Portsmouth would have been competitive with Burg this year, PHS strength was running the ball, Burgs Dline was not that great. PHS would have a hard time guarding Holden and Mathews though. PHS could not afford to get down in a game like this and expect to make it back like we did against Ironton, but I don’t see Burg shutting Parker down. I think this would have turned into a shootout, with Portsmouth trying to shorten the game as much as possible by sustained drives.



Now with that said, Burgs superiority complex they have needs to be taken a look at. Are they good? Obviously. Congratulations on another great season, to follow up last years state title. Do they consistently score well on state test? Yes as well.

Let’s now examine this deeper, Burg is far an above the wellthiest school in Scioto county. Bellow I have listed the percent of free or reduced lunch, for some local districts.

Burg 30.12
West42.91
Valley 42.68
East 93.12
Ironton 52.4
Portsmouth 83.89

Studies have shown wealthy districts traditionally preform better then impoverished districts, this is not to say that a poor student can’t succeed but that they are at a marked disadvantage to start.

Next let’s take at special needs, the following is percentage by district

Portsmouth 25.26
Burg 11.28
West 15.77
Valley 14.57
Ironton 11.89
East 20.22

Once again, this doesn’t nessisarly kept a student from succeeding but is yet again another deterant. The majority of these kids are still required to take state testing as well and is represented in the state reports.

Now let’s look at Burgs open enrollment form
https://filecabinet5.eschoolview.com/3D ... t_Form.pdf

One of the first questions asked is does the student have an individualized education plan? Followed by “Has the Student ever been evaluated or referred for Special Education?”. To me, this is pretty clear that these questions are ask to exclude those students that may have special needs. This seems like it would be considered discrimination, however other state have ruled on it, and as long as the school doesn’t have the means to accommodate the student they don’t have to except them, allowing them to pick an choose who they want to open enroll and who they want to exclude. This can be as simple as not having enough intervention specialist.
So let’s not act like Burgs success is all based on their superior work ethic, and natural ability. It’s based on economics and lack of inclusion. It gets a lot easier when you can pick and choice who you want to bring into your system( as other districts lose some of their wealthier and non disabled students to them because state testing paints a picture of inferiority that couldn’t be farther from the truth.) I don’t blame parents for this misconception, and doing what they think is best for their children. I do blame people that put down other districts when they haven’t considered the factors that these test and even athletic results come out the way they do. Plain and simple the economic factors and open enrollment in this matter skews the playing field and gives some districts a huge advantage by disctminating certain students because they can do nothing for your district. This is what is truly sad, as we should all be asking what the district could be doing to help these children.

I will put Portsmouth top 25% of our kids against anyone as we have consistently had this segment of students score high on standardized testing, as well as scoring high on ACT and SATs. Portsmouth also offers duel credit courses, allowing students to earn college credit at the high school, without going to SSU for post secondary, or taking an Advanced placement course and test.

This post is basically a disrespectful post towards Burg. Basically saying that Burg doesn’t really work hard but rather they are handed everything on a silver platter. Burgs community support and the expectation and spirit of competition is why they succeed and have done so since the 80s. Portsmouth has some terrific student athletes. No one disputes that, but don’t crap on burgs success based on special needs students and reduced lunches.

[Trojan_FB_Alum]

On the contrary, no one is deminishing Burgs accomplishments. Merely pointing out that it is not a level playing field. That’s fine though neither is life. I never said that Burg didn’t work hard, I will say that they don’t work harder then anyone else. All coaches spend long hours, all teams lift, all coaches and players study film, tendencies and percentages, Burg is not reinventing the wheel, they are not the New England Patriots of high school football.
As for the community yes great support, which is far more likely the case in a rural affluent community. Having this inherited wealth alows Burg kids to attend more camps be it educational or athletic, performance enhancement training which again is an added bonus that not all kids get. Burg has nothing to be ashamed of for having this, nor do they need to defend themselves for it, there is nothing wrong with useing ones wealth to better yourself, your kids or your community, it is actually very admirable.

As for special needs, why does Burg ask those questions on open enrollment forms if it isn’t for exclusionary reasons?? Why do neighboring districts have higher levels of special needs then burg? Wouldn’t one think that if Burgs educational system is actually superior to the neighboring schools the parents of special needs kids would be coming as well?

[wobycat]

On the contrary, no one is deminishing Burgs accomplishments. Merely pointing out that it is not a level playing field. That’s fine though neither is life. I never said that Burg didn’t work hard, I will say that they don’t work harder then anyone else. All coaches spend long hours, all teams lift, all coaches and players study film, tendencies and percentages, Burg is not reinventing the wheel, they are not the New England Patriots of high school football.
As for the community yes great support, which is far more likely the case in a rural affluent community. Having this inherited wealth alows Burg kids to attend more camps be it educational or athletic, performance enhancement training which again is an added bonus that not all kids get. Burg has nothing to be ashamed of for having this, nor do they need to defend themselves for it, there is nothing wrong with useing ones wealth to better yourself, your kids or your community, it is actually very admirable.

As for special needs, why does Burg ask those questions on open enrollment forms if it isn’t for exclusionary reasons?? Why do neighboring districts have higher levels of special needs then burg? Wouldn’t one think that if Burgs educational system is actually superior to the neighboring schools the parents of special needs kids would be coming as well?

Perhaps they can’t accommodate certain specific needs but keep in mind that special needs doesn’t always mean that they are disabled or handicapped. It could just mean they are dyslexic or need more time on tests. I’m sorry. I can’t say burgs success is because of wealth, or any other outside factor other than working hard and preparing. I believe that ironton and Portsmouth are more economically challenged. The jobs have left and unfortunately the drugs have crept in. But you’d be surprised of how many would actually qualify for reduced lunches at burg. It’s not as wealthy as you think.

[Trojan_FB_Alum]

Posted from my first post 31.12 qualify for free or reduced lunch at Burg vs 52.4 at Ironton and 83.89 at Portsmouth, that makes a difference.

Median home listing price from Zillow.
Portsmouth 79,900
Ironton 89,900
Wheelersburg 152,450

As we know schools are funded by property tax, alone with state funds. So where is Burgs money going then cause they should be paying more property tax then the rest of us??


I agree with you 100 percent that the vast majority are not extream handicaps, most are IEPs which could be as you stated be for dyslexia or other minor learning disabilities.

You stated that maybe Burg can’t accommodate certain specific needs? I will say that class rooms may not Be available at this point, but I find it hard to believe that they can not afford to hire intervention specialist, it is just far easier to let someone else educate them, and not worry about the effect on your report card. Excluding those who don’t help the district.

[TCat]

What you are alluding to is correct.

Wheelersburg from current 7th down through elementary is full. There is a waiting list for open enrollment. They want athletes. If a kid comes to Wheelersburg open enrollment for only academics he counts as 1, but that still takes a spot that they need. Open enrollment players count as 2 or 3. They don’t want those guys that don't play because they need those spots. The questions on the forms allow them to weed out the ones they don't want without showing bias.

Look no further than the change in the band this year that opened up several spots when boys left, but more than anything kept them very close to staying D5

[wobycat]

What you are alluding to is correct.

Wheelersburg from current 7th down through elementary is full. There is a waiting list for open enrollment. They want athletes. If a kid comes to Wheelersburg open enrollment for only academics he counts as 1, but that still takes a spot that they need. Open enrollment players count as 2 or 3. They don’t want those guys that don't play because they need those spots. The questions on the forms allow them to weed out the ones they don't want without showing bias.

Look no further than the change in the band this year that opened up several spots when boys left, but more than anything kept them very close to staying D5

Wow. Only one kid on burgs football team this year that started hasn’t went there since he was in elementary school. It’s amazing how you guys come up with this stuff. Burgs community is nice. Perhaps that’s why the median house is higher.

[TCat]

What you are alluding to is correct.

Wheelersburg from current 7th down through elementary is full. There is a waiting list for open enrollment. They want athletes. If a kid comes to Wheelersburg open enrollment for only academics he counts as 1, but that still takes a spot that they need. Open enrollment players count as 2 or 3. They don’t want those guys that don't play because they need those spots. The questions on the forms allow them to weed out the ones they don't want without showing bias.

Look no further than the change in the band this year that opened up several spots when boys left, but more than anything kept them very close to staying D5

Wow. Only one kid on burgs football team this year that started hasn’t went there since he was in elementary school. It’s amazing how you guys come up with this stuff. Burgs community is nice. Perhaps that’s why the median house is higher.

Several Freshmen this year were middle school transfers. Even more will be freshmen next year.

Look I don't hate Wheelersburg like others on here, I just don't like the win at all costs direction we are going and Wheelersburg seems to be leading the parade locally if not south of Columbus. Not just football, but boys and girls basketball.

[Trojan_FB_Alum]

What you are alluding to is correct.

Wheelersburg from current 7th down through elementary is full. There is a waiting list for open enrollment. They want athletes. If a kid comes to Wheelersburg open enrollment for only academics he counts as 1, but that still takes a spot that they need. Open enrollment players count as 2 or 3. They don’t want those guys that don't play because they need those spots. The questions on the forms allow them to weed out the ones they don't want without showing bias.

Look no further than the change in the band this year that opened up several spots when boys left, but more than anything kept them very close to staying D5

Wow. Only one kid on burgs football team this year that started hasn’t went there since he was in elementary school. It’s amazing how you guys come up with this stuff. Burgs community is nice. Perhaps that’s why the median house is higher.

Never commented on when they transferred in I was giving examples of why they succeed at multiple things at multiple levels not just HS football. As I told you there are many contributing factors, most noteably the lack of accepting kids with IEPs and the affluent nature of the district. I’m at a loss why you are offended by this. This is only the statistics put out by ODE.

Burg is a nice area, the home value is more because of it, so they produce more tax dollars to fund the school, this was in regard to the comment that burg couldn’t accommodate kids with certain disabilities.

Since the band was brought up, why did burg not choose to support the arts?? I know they folded and still have a band now, but are no longer a competiton band. Why were these kids experience marginalized?