Burg vs. Portsmouth Future??

[packers80]

Burg - Portsmouth should be played each year but as we've heard....its not fair...

[packers80]

I grew up in a rural, economically repressed area,the kids that wanted to play,did. The parents that's could be there,were. No kids or parents ever complained about lack of money or the woes they had,we all had the same problems and we all had no excuses.none. we took some ass whippins, did we cry and say, well the other team had an advantage because the players have 2 parents that work? Nope.,did we say it's not fair and we lost because things are more convenient for the other team? No. Did socioeconomics ever come up? No.,we were kids and we played. Period. Kids walked home from practice, ate free lunches and got vouchers for clothes and this was way before 2018.

[Pa Trojan]

agreed packers, I beca,me friends with people I never would have, my social status wasnt up to par with some, and we worked as hard as I have ever worked in my post football life, the weight room, the conditioning etc etc, all to not be a part of another 0-10 record, we watched as Freshman,we did it and it made us better human beings

[Tartanblue]

PHS had about 45

Burg had 76

So since you asked let’s do a little math. Let’s assume that the grades are pretty equally distributed. You primarily want to start Jr and Sr if at all possible just for the fact that they have had 2 years to mature 2 more years in weight room over Freshmen and sophomores. So if that’s the case PHS would have about 23 Jr and Sr, versus 38 jr and Sr for Burg.

Hmmm starting to see the advantage yet? That’s assuming that all these guys are viable options. Are they?
Sure looks easier to find 22 on each side for burg then it does PHS. Then what about platoons, backups, with Burgs numbers idk about you but I’d much rather rely on SR and JR there too burg would have 16 options left PHS 2. Hmmmm

According to the OHSAA
PHS enrollment is 171
Burgs enrollment is 175
Pretty similar but 30 more boys out to play football ??? Hmmmm how can this be???

I’m sure you will tell me it’s because of Burgs superior community superior coaches and superior program in general.
However it’s just not the case.


Even when Portsmouth was the dominant program locally, in the early 2000s teams were around 45-55 boys, PHS had a larger enrollment then too. Hmmm wonder what happened?

I believe winning also has an effect on the number of players on a team. When a team is winning more kids want to play, when a team constantly lose players do not want to play. Hence, how two schools with similar numbers in enrollment can have one team with 30 more players.

Case in point Green had a winning season and made the playoffs this year, look for more kids in their school to come out for the team compared to when they go 0-10 or 1-9 for a couple of years in a row.

[Trojan_FB_Alum]

I too want the game played.
I too think we should be in the SOC, although I’m happy with the OVC, and it’s clear we are not welcome in the SOC.

Burg fans don’t like pointing out the advantages their kids have, for some reason. Personally I think it speaks well of their community school and program, even to the extent they should be proud of it.

Advantages are gained through multiple different avenues, this doesn’t mean others that don’t have this advantage shouldn’t play, it again means they have to work harder to overcome these lack of advantages, that other places may have.

[ravensfan09]

Not to stir the pot, but why isn't Portsmouth welcome in the SOC?

[Trojan_FB_Alum]

Not to stir the pot, but why isn't Portsmouth welcome in the SOC?

I’ll let the SOC fans answer that further, my statement was only based on the fact that each time we have applied we have been denied acceptance.

I’ve always been told that part of the problem is because old grudges die hard, and there was a time when Portsmouth didn’t want anything to do with them, as we were a much bigger school.

I would also like to point out that to my knowledge Burg is normally a yes vote for PHS, and it is often the smaller SOC 1 schools that have been voting no such as when we applied with South Gallia.

[Injun]

Valley and West already play Portsmouth. Minford and Wheelersburg have in the past. Portsmouth should try again

[Mad-Dogg]

Not to stir the pot, but why isn't Portsmouth welcome in the SOC?

I’ll let the SOC fans answer that further, my statement was only based on the fact that each time we have applied we have been denied acceptance.

I’ve always been told that part of the problem is because old grudges die hard, and there was a time when Portsmouth didn’t want anything to do with them, as we were a much bigger school.

I would also like to point out that to my knowledge Burg is normally a yes vote for PHS, and it is often the smaller SOC 1 schools that have been voting no such as when we applied with South Gallia.

I’ve always said that they should be in the soc. I’ve also said that I don’t think teams in soc 1 should have any say on who gets in soc 2. It’s not like they play them

[Tartanblue]

Not to stir the pot, but why isn't Portsmouth welcome in the SOC?

Have always been told that when the SOC tried to get them to join the folks in Portsmouth at the time looked down at the SOC, because they believed they were better than to join the conference. When they fell on hard times with no conference along with not so great records they wanted to join the SOC and have been turned down each time.

I believe the reasoning for both the small and bigger schools vote to count on admission is because of the other sports as well. Oak Hill has always been in the SOC I in football and SOC II in everything else until next year when they move up like Northwest is currently doing now.

[Trojan_FB_Alum]

[quote=ravensfan09 post_id=<a href="tel:1729533">1729533</a> time=<a href="tel:1546476285">1546476285</a> user_id=13174]
Not to stir the pot, but why isn't Portsmouth welcome in the SOC?

Have always been told that when the SOC tried to get them to join the folks in Portsmouth at the time looked down at the SOC, because they believed they were better than to join the conference. When they fell on hard times with no conference along with not so great records they wanted to join the SOC and have been turned down each time.

I believe the reasoning for both the small and bigger schools vote to count on admission is because of the other sports as well. Oak Hill has always been in the SOC I in football and SOC II in everything else until next year when they move up like Northwest is currently doing now.
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In all honesty, PHS was just to big for the majority of the SOC 2 schools prior to the early or mid 90s. Burg football was equal or better, and could compete in basketball, West in top years in football, but at the time PHS, was just too bignand I understand why we wouldn’t have wanted in.
From that point on though we have become similar in size. We have had streaks where we would have dominated (99-02) football (2010-2012) b-ball, but most years we would be a competitive but not dominating team in the SOC, with basketball being our best sport.
For these reasons, I feel there might be something to it more then old grudges. PHS, just recently added soccer back, could have the lack of soccer played a part??

[Proud_Pirate63]

SOC would be more beneficial for PHS as far as travel time goes. Especially for games during the school week. I would like to see Portsmouth join the SOC.

[koondoger]

promise you this, If this ever happens, we will have a high level of security on our sidelines

Can we please just let this go? No one cheated.

Let me guess, the refs cheated?

[ravensfan09]

This game should be played without question. Burg is better now, but Portsmouth seems to be on the upswing. I understand Portsmouth's reasoning though.

[biggdowgg]

Not to stir the pot, but why isn't Portsmouth welcome in the SOC?

Have always been told that when the SOC tried to get them to join the folks in Portsmouth at the time looked down at the SOC, because they believed they were better than to join the conference. When they fell on hard times with no conference along with not so great records they wanted to join the SOC and have been turned down each time.

I believe the reasoning for both the small and bigger schools vote to count on admission is because of the other sports as well. Oak Hill has always been in the SOC I in football and SOC II in everything else until next year when they move up like Northwest is currently doing now.

And who ...always told you that?

And what do you mean by ,when they fell on hard times?

[Tartanblue]

Not to stir the pot, but why isn't Portsmouth welcome in the SOC?

Have always been told that when the SOC tried to get them to join the folks in Portsmouth at the time looked down at the SOC, because they believed they were better than to join the conference. When they fell on hard times with no conference along with not so great records they wanted to join the SOC and have been turned down each time.

I believe the reasoning for both the small and bigger schools vote to count on admission is because of the other sports as well. Oak Hill has always been in the SOC I in football and SOC II in everything else until next year when they move up like Northwest is currently doing now.

And who ...always told you that?

And what do you mean by ,when they fell on hard times?

When Hopkins was at East the subject of Portsmouth not being in the SOC was brought up in conversation and that was the way it was explained to me.

[biggdowgg]

LOL , everyone has a "story"

Still don't understand the,hard times comment