Division 2 Tournament Southeastern

[LucasDavenport]

Let’s say Waverly upsets Jackson just for kicks.

For the sake of this scenario I’m going to also give WCH a win at Unioto and Greenfield a win over Paint Valley.

I’m going to list the wins that I believe are worthy. If anyone believes the wins I list are not worthy or I am leaving one out please respond and we can discuss the worthiness of the win. I’m also going to list the record vs the other 6 worthy teams in the Southeastern and Logan Sectionals. I’m leaving out Hillsboro, River Valley and Miami Trace from SE and Circleville, Marietta, New Lexington And Westfall from Logan. This will show how many games each team played vs these other 12 teams. I will then list each teams record vs D2 teams.

Waverly 13-6
Lucas Index: 7-5

Wins: Athens, Oak Hill, Jackson
Record vs top 7 in SE and Top 6 in Logan
2-1
Record vs D2
3-1

Jackson would be 12-6
Lucas Index: 8-5

Wins: Washington, Washington, Greenfield, Bloom Carroll, Vinton County, Unioto
Record vs Top 7 in SE and Top 6 in Logan
5-2
Record vs D2
10-3


Washington would be 12-6
Lucas Index: 10-5

Wins: Chillicothe, Greenfield, Waverly, Adena, Vinton County, Unioto
Record vs Top 7 in SE and Top 6 in Logan
4-3
Record vs D2
8-3

Greenfield would be 12-7
Lucas Index: 9-5

Wins: Zane Trace, Jackson, Adena
Record vs Top 7 in SE and Top 6 in Logan
2-3
Record vs D2
7-5

Zane Trace would be 16-4
Lucas Index: 10-2

Wins: Chillicothe, Unioto, Vinton County, Logan Elm, Adena, Unioto
Record vs Top 7 in SE and Top 6 in Logan
4-1
Record vs D2
6-1

Unioto would be 9-11
Lucas Index: 5-10

Wins: Fairfield Union, Greenfield
Record vs Top 7 in SE and Top 6 in Logan
2-3
Record vs D2
5-3

Gallipolis would be 11-8
Lucas Index: 6-7

Wins: Athens
Record vs Top 7 in SE and Top 6 in Logan
1-1
Record vs D2
3-1

[LucasDavenport]

If Jackson defeats Waverly

Jackson 13-5
Lucas Index: 9-4

Record vs Top 7 in SE and Top 6 in Logan
6-1
Record vs D2
11-2


Waverly 12-7
Lucas Index: 6-6

Record vs Top 7 in SE and Top 6 in Logan
1-2
Record vs D2
2-2

[LucasDavenport]

Let’s remove the D1 losses.

For Instance Waverly’s loss At Chillicothe — or Gallipolis loss at Logan. Losses that any of these teams would obtain and perhaps equal the process somewhat.

Better yet let’s not punish teams for scheduling up and losing.

Again we will do 2 listings — to take the Jackson v Waverly game into account.

If Waverly defeats Jackson.

Zane Trace 16-2
Jackson 12-5
Waverly 13-5
Washington 12-5
Greenfield 12-5
Gallipolis 11-7
Unioto 9-10

If Jackson defeats Waverly

Zane Trace 16-2
Jackson 13-4
Washington 12-5
Greenfield 12-5
Waverly 12-6
Gallipolis 11-7
Unioto 9-10

I did not take away Washington’s loss to Lancaster as even though they are D1 they are not worthy of taking that loss away. So I removed losses to Chillicothe, Logan and Hilliard Davidson and Gahanna Lincoln but did not remove a loss to Lancaster.

Now let’s strip away wins that are against teams who have no or 1 quality win(s) For instance Teams towards the bottom of Pfloyds List. River Valley and Miami Trace from SE in D2. West, Minford, Northwest, Clay, Huntington, Symmes Valley, Fed Hock, Wellston, East, Rock Hill, Manchester, Point Pleasant, Southeastern, Lynchburg-Clay, Miller And Notre Dame.

If Waverly defeats Jackson

Zane Trace 10-2
Jackson 8-5
Waverly 7-5
Washington 10-5
Greenfield 9-5
Gallipolis 6-7
Unioto 5-10
Hillsboro 5-10
River Valley 0-18
Miami Trace 1-16

If Jackson defeats Waverly

Zane Trace 10-2
Jackson 9-4
Washington 10-5
Greenfield 9-5
Waverly 6-6
Gallipolis 6-7
Unioto 5-10
Hillsboro 5-10
River Valley 0-18
Miami Trace 1-16

This is the record I would use to compare. I’m going to call it the Lucas Index.

[LucasDavenport]

If Waverly defeats Jackson using
A) The Lucas Index
B) Quality Wins
C) Record vs Top 7 in SE and Top 6 in Logan
D) Overall Record
E) Record vs D2

This is how I would seed them.

1) Zane Trace
A: 10-2
B: 6
C: 4-1
D: 16-4
E: 6-1

2) Jackson
A: 8-5
B: 6
C: 5-2
D: 12-6
E: 10-3

3) Washington
A: 10-5
B: 6
C: 4-3
D: 12-6
E: 8-3

4) Waverly
A: 7-5
B: 3
C: 2–1
D: 13-6
E: 3-1

5) Greenfield
A: 9-5
B: 3
C: 2-3
D: 12-7
E: 7-5

6) Gallipolis
A: 6-7
B: 1
C: 1-1
D: 11-8
E: 3-1

7) Unioto
A: 5-10
B: 2
C: 2-3
D: 9-11
E: 5-3

8) Hillsboro
A: 5-10
B: 1
C: 1-4
D: 8-12
E: 4-5

9) Miami Trace
A: 1-16

10) River Valley
A: 0-18

I switch 4 and 5 if Jackson defeats Waverly.

[danicalifornia]

I’m very confused, mostly with if we picked up an extra loss somewhere or if our upcoming loss to WCH counts as 2 losses.

[LucasDavenport]

I’m very confused, mostly with if we picked up an extra loss somewhere or if our upcoming loss to WCH counts as 2 losses.

I assumed a loss to Adena on 2/8.

That could change.

If Unioto beats Washington Tuesday it changes both

The numbers say if Unioto wins next 2 they are the 6

Unless Gallipolis defeats Fairland

[mlittle]

I’m very confused, mostly with if we picked up an extra loss somewhere or if our upcoming loss to WCH counts as 2 losses.

I assumed a loss to Adena on 2/8.

That could change.

If Unioto beats Washington Tuesday it changes both

Not sure that game would affect the seedings either way

[danicalifornia]

I’m very confused, mostly with if we picked up an extra loss somewhere or if our upcoming loss to WCH counts as 2 losses.

I assumed a loss to Adena on 2/8.

That could change.

If Unioto beats Washington Tuesday it changes both

The numbers say if Unioto wins next 2 they are the 6

Unless Gallipolis defeats Fairland

Okay, I thought you had just done through Tuesday. Makes sense now lol I’ll say hi tomorrow night

[LucasDavenport]

Current. No Assumptions
A Lucas Index
B Quality Wins
C Record vs Top 7 in SE and Top 6 in Logan
D Overall Record
E D2 Record

Zane Trace
A: 8-2
B: 6
C: 4-1
D: 14-4
E: 5-1

Jackson
A: 8-4
B: 6
C: 5-1
D: 12-5
E: 10-2

Washington
A: 9-5
B: 5
C: 3-3
D: 11-6
E: 7-3

Greenfield
A: 8-5
B: 3
C: 2-3
D: 11-7
E: 7-5

Waverly
A: 6-5
B: 2
C: 1-1
D: 11-6
E: 2-1

Gallipolis
A: 5-6
B: 1
C: 1-1
D: 10-7
E: 3-1

Unioto
A: 5-8
B: 2
C: 2-2
D: 9-9
E: 5-2

[smurray]

TTT

[LucasDavenport]

Games tonight that can definitely affect seeding.

Jackson at Waverly
McClain at Piketon
Washington at Unioto
Gallia at Fairland

Good luck to everyone. Stay healthy.

[smurray]

Games tonight that can definitely affect seeding.

Jackson at Waverly
McClain at Piketon
Washington at Unioto
Gallia at Fairland

Good luck to everyone. Stay healthy.

4 games that could go any way.

[HamPorter]

Games tonight that can definitely affect seeding.

Jackson at Waverly
McClain at Piketon
Washington at Unioto
Gallia at Fairland

Good luck to everyone. Stay healthy.

4 games that could go any way.

If Gallia wins and McClain loses, could McClain drop to the 6? Yes, they would have better wins, but more losses and some bad losses as well

[Ironman92]

Games tonight that can definitely affect seeding.

Jackson at Waverly
McClain at Piketon
Washington at Unioto
Gallia at Fairland

Good luck to everyone. Stay healthy.

4 games that could go any way.

If Gallia wins and McClain loses, could McClain drop to the 6? Yes, they would have better wins, but more losses and some bad losses as well

Could...but I’ll guess won’t unless Wav wins and Wash loses

[HamPorter]

4 games that could go any way.

If Gallia wins and McClain loses, could McClain drop to the 6? Yes, they would have better wins, but more losses and some bad losses as well

Could...but I’ll guess won’t unless Wav wins and Wash loses

I’m like the Joker in the Dark Knight, I just want to see the world burn, so I want that scenario to happen

[LucasDavenport]

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4 games that could go any way.

If Gallia wins and McClain loses, could McClain drop to the 6? Yes, they would have better wins, but more losses and some bad losses as well
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Could...but I’ll guess won’t unless Wav wins and Wash loses
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I’m like the Joker in the Dark Knight, I just want to see the world burn, so I want that scenario to happen
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Hamporter: as much as I’m against your scenario I will have to admit that you made me laugh.

I guess that would make me Batman.

Unfortunately I am more like the Michael Keaton version and probably better suited for his role in “The Other Guys” but what the heck

So.... don’t go chasing waterfalls.

[LucasDavenport]

Btw a little revision in the schedule for tonight.

McClain hosts Paint Valley.

The thread started today is a 2/12 game for Piketon and MCClain.

I was way off.

So ...

Jackson at Waverly
Washington at Unioto
Gallipolis at Fairland
Paint Valley at Greenfield MCClain

[VisionQuest]

Ok Seeding Gurus. Tonight’s results are in. Let’s get some discussion going. How is it going to shake out?

[danicalifornia]

Not a clue. Zane Trace is the 1, that’s what I know.

[LucasDavenport]

Zane Trace 15-4
Jackson 13-6
Washington 12-6
Waverly 12-6
Greenfield 12-7
Gallipolis 10-8
Unioto 9-10
Hillsboro 8-12
Miami Trace 2-18
River Valley 2-16

I guess it’s time to find out who your friends are. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen one like this.