The Count Down till RR gets FIRED

[1987chieftains]

THEY'LL GIVE HIM 1 MORE YR. AND IF WE WORKS MORE ON THE DEFENSE HE STAYS IF NOT HES GONE AND THE END OF A UGLY 4 YRS.

[MTSWNGRVSG]

Michigan should have known there would be a period of adjustment going with RR to begin with because of the type of athlete that is need to run his offense. Now if they bring in someone else the process will start all over and it will take another 3 to 4 years to get the type that the next coach will need. If they wanted Harbaugh they need to bring him in when Carr retired.

Like gahs4ever said it will come down to what the money people want and if they want a change now it will happen quickly.

[mister b]

I want to hear peake's thoughts.

I think he is back next year. A lot of true freshmen on the defense this year. If RR keeps the 3-3-5, he needs someone that knows how to run it. If G. Robinson is back as D coach, then RR needs to let him run his scheme and not the 3-3-5.

[1987chieftains]

this guy from the free press has some good points. and after reading it it does leave you wondering what the h3ll is better these year vs his last 2 years?

For the past few weeks, Michigan coach Rich Rodriguez has insisted the U-M program is progressing. But when questioned about specifics, his primary answer remained the same: it's the areas away from public view. That better be the case, because if he's pointing to what is evident, it'll be a hard sell.
Most often the progress is cited in the seven wins, which is more than the five of 2009 and the three of 2010. Yet that seems faulty logic on a few fronts. It gives credit for advancing the win total from a lowered bar that was set by Rodriguez's program.
The reason the 7-5 season in 2005 was viewed as so disappointing was that the surrounding seasons were at a higher level.
The other thin aspect of the seven victories is the analysis of who they were against -- teams that are a combined 37-44. It's difficult to find a quality win in the bunch and only two of the seven (Connecticut in the opener and Bowling Green) could be considered decisive games.
That might be the best sign of progress, as U-M was able to win the close games this year, a major problem the previous two years. But that can be framed again: against lesser competition, should they even be that close? In the five losses, all to upper-division Big Ten teams, Michigan couldn't claim to be competitive, which at least occurred occasionally in 2009.
The defense is far worse than the first two years, smashing school records for points and yards allowed.
The special teams regressed, as the Wolverines made the fewest field goals (four) of any team in the Football Bowl Subdivision, averaged 5.38 yards returned per punt and 21 yards per kickoff, both worse than 2009. Although the punting was strong when freshman Will Hagerup was in there, he started the season slow and showed poor judgment, getting in trouble to miss the final game. Which leaves the offense, where there were dramatic strides statistically, improving by more than 100 yards per game.
But scoring remains the barometer and, even though U-M improved by five points per game overall, it's a number skewed a bit by the 22 points scored with the short field in the three-overtime win over Illinois. The red-zone touchdown percentage dropped from 90% to 75% in the final seven games and three of those were in the Illinois overtimes where the team nearly starts in the red zone. Having Denard Robinson available was the greatest sign of progress this season. But his inexperience showed with poor decision-making and ball security, tempering the substantial gains. Overall, it's not a clear case that Michigan has improved on the field. And that's why Rodriguez has to point elsewhere.

[Orestes]

Here are some records of recently fired coaches from 'major' programs over their final three seasons...

Tim Brewster 14-19, fired mid-season. Two bowl games.

(Glen Mason was 20-17 with three bowl games.)

Bill Lynch 12-24

Randy Shannon 23-15, reached bowl games all three seasons

Tommy Tuberville 25-13, two bowls

Tommy Bowden 20-12, fired mid-season, two bowls.

Bobby Bowden 16-16, with seven wins vacated. Three bowls.





Rich Rodriguez 15-21, one bowl

Clearly, none of these other coaches had magic offenses.

[marshallman]

Please keep RR around another 2 years. That way when he is fired the next coach will take 4 years to get his players in and RR's out, because we all know his players will never work in a pro style system. That way, OSU can get another 6 or 7 wins in a row. Even the commentators said during the game that 6-6 280lb OL will not cut it in the Big 10 and he needs bigger OL.

[Orange and Brown]

Meatchicken can keep him around if they want to. Next year OSU will put 50 on them.

[seofan_via_dublin]

Coach Tressel has more conference titles, than RR has conference wins!!!

This guy is a clown, that runs a system that will not work in the Big 10 so long as he still tries to use Big East and MAC quality players.

He is an abomination against Michigan football.
He must go!!!

[YOU'RE TIGER BAIT]

i say sign him to a 15 year extention. even though i agree with dubs.

[Orange and Brown]

Coach Tressel has more conference titles, than RR has conference wins!!!

This guy is a clown, that runs a system that will not work in the Big 10 so long as he still tries to use Big East and MAC quality players.

He is an abomination against Michigan football.
He must go!!!

I agree, but if Meatchicken can get a decent bowl game against a decent opponent and they happen to score 65 and win, then there is still a very slim chance he will be the head coach next season. He has managed to make one of the most staried programs in NCAA history a joke, There is no way he can feel good about getting up and going to work every day.

[fuzzhead]

I agree with dubs: this dude is a disgrace. I have no respect for his blatant refusal to play defense or a his cute little offensive schemes. How many wins does he have against teams that have winning Big 10 records over the last 3 years? The win-loss record is better this year, but his best win was against Notre Dame and they should have lost that one. RR is a microcosm of what's wrong with college football and his supporters are a microcosm of what's wrong with America, but don't get me started on that.

[seofan_via_dublin]

Hey, they slaughtered the probable Big East champion.

Wow the Big East SUCKS!

[91Buckeye]

Heres five things DB needs to consider when he evaluates RR.
1. Has RR improved UM's recruiting? I say no.
2. Has RR shown the ability to run an organized program? Obviously not as evidenced by exceeding NCAA practice limits.
3. Has RR shown that he can motivate his players to perform beyond their ability? This answer is obvious.
4. Has the team improved or has the schedule gotten easier the last three years? I say the schedule.
5. Has RR prepared UM to be competetive every week? Lack of defense, special teams, and poor execution on offense says no.

So someone please remind me why we need to wait until we get waxed in a bowl game, by a historically inferior opponent, to decide that the RR experiment has failed miserably.

[NYBuckeye96]

I bet he is there at least one more year. But that would be his last chance if no improvements are shown in the won/loss column in 2011.

[Red_Dog]

Honestly, as a Buckeye fan, I love having RR coach at UM. Being at the game last Saturday showed me that this team is indeed a lot worse than I thought they were. RR obviously doesn't know how to recruit, as they have the smallest team in the Big Ten by far. Recruiting in the Big Ten is a lot different than recruiting MAC or Big East athletes. These conferences run a different style of football than the Big Ten, and since the MAC and Big East run things differently, they can afford to bring in small athletes, unlike the Big Ten. He has Denard Robinson, who is tiny by any standard, running around against guys who are much bigger than he is. He definitely will not be an NFL QB. I'm not saying he's a bad athlete, he's an athletic dude, but not a QB. He kinda reminds me of Randle El who QB'd at IU and is now a slot receiver. And it's not just Robinson who's small, it's their whole team. Ohio State was huge compared to UM. Also, I don't think that RR really preaches how important the Ohio State-Michigan game is. Michigan didn't look like they had any motivation at all to play the game. He doesn't get how big of a rivalry this is. Even though he should be fired, I hope he stays because the Buckeyes are gonna win every time until he's gone.

[seofan_via_dublin]

As a buckeye fanatic, Michigan can't get rid of him fast enough.
He is a disgrace, and his school, our conference, and The Game, is suffering because of his existence!

[Just_A_Fan]

As a buckeye fanatic, Michigan can't get rid of him fast enough.
He is a disgrace, and his school, our conference, and The Game, is suffering because of his existence!

Very well said....not anyone one on either side of this would wont this to turn into say a Texas vs Txas A&M or some other crappy game. What I mean by that is this game use to mean that everything was on the line...Big Ten, Rose Bowl, National Championship and so on, but with RR as coach with his great D, this game wont match up to those of the past.

[boilermaker]

Couldnt have said it better myself seofan_via_dublin!

[1987chieftains]

As a buckeye fanatic, Michigan can't get rid of him fast enough.
He is a disgrace, and his school, our conference, and The Game, is suffering because of his existence!

right on dubs!!

[fuzzhead]

Hey, they slaughtered the probable Big East champion.

Wow the Big East SUCKS!

Very true, but I still say the ND win was more impressive; right now, Notre Dame is on the upswing. UCONN will never be anything more than what they are right now: a basketball school with a football team that is so-so and takes advantage of a very weak conference. Also, Notre Dame is one of their big rivals. It's one of three big games a UM coach needs to win somewhat consistently year in and year out.