You're Tiger Bait wrote:brady hoke, REALLY. are you sure mike brown and my bengals, were not the consultants on this. being from michigan, does not make you a candidate for the job. but as a buckeye fan, i think they got it right again. yeah, about the 10 year war. 10 more years of losses to the buckeyes i see.
Since I am from Ohio, can I coach the Buckeyes next year? Oh, and its my dream job too!
------------------can i help red. been a lifelong bucks fan.
GoBuckeyes2786 wrote:Sign me up too Red! I'll head out on the recruiting trail asap! Lol
You are now the defensive coordinator and recruiting guru! This is easy! I should have been born in MICHIGAN and I could actually be considered for the job at the Big House!
Thank goodness we have slightly tougher standards in Buckeye Nation!
I wonder how many D1 football programs from the major conferences have hired head coaches in the past 10 yrs that have a below .500 winning % as a head coach?
Do I regret that Michigan hired RR three years ago NO. Here's why there was nothing to prove that RR wouldn't have won at Michigan. He put WVU on the map and if it wasn't for a field goal he would've coach in a BCS championship game. RR was the hot coach at that time. Yeah as of today Michigan is alot WORST for putting RR as coach, but do I as a fan regret that they tried to do something out of the norm not really. Michigan will be back not if but WILL BE.
Bleeding Red wrote:Yes he is actually from Dayton.
I wonder how many D1 football programs from the major conferences have hired head coaches in the past 10 yrs that have a below .500 winning % as a head coach?
Hoke is at 48% right now as a head coach.
Auburn did before the 2009 season.
Gene Chizik was 5-19 at Iowa State and only 2-14 in conference. His team went 3-9 his first year and 2-10 the next. A winning percentage of .208....
FT45 ..I'm still not sure that Gene Chizick is a great coach. Yes he won a national championship but I would credit more the success to having a good offensive coordinator in Malzahn (spelling?) and having a unbelievable player in Cam Newton. Newton carried that team and made huge plays for them all year and won the games for Auburn. Without Cam they woulda never seen the championship game or any bcs game for that matter... I know they have some talented players returning next season, but I wouldn't be surprised if their a middle of the pack sec team without Cam
Harbaugh, Miles and even Pat Fitzgerald from Northwestern didn't want the job so the fourth choice is the man chosen. Maybe as Miles said, "it's not the same Michigan I left". If this is true the Big Ten's football image will be hurting for another few years.
I waited a long time to post because of all of the misinformation.
1st-Harbuagh said he wanted the ultimate challenge of coaching in the NFL. Michigan tried to bring him home and his asking price was 5+million. Jim Tressel makes 3.7, and OSU has the 1st or 2nd highest athletic budget so that was not going to happen. They tried but his asking price was far too high.
2nd-Miles has a clause in his contract that anytime an SEC coach gets a raise so does he. He is the 2nd highest paid coach in all of college football, has a top 5 recruiting class, and will the pick to win the SEC and possibly the NC next season. He was asking around 4 million and Michigan said no.
****Niether candidate turned down Michigan. They talked, they negotiated, and no terms could be reached on both parties. There was no the job is yours, and the other said no thank you. David Brandon conducted interviews and that was it. Repeat, there was never an offer to either.
*Before we go any further, two things: I wanted Harbaugh bad, he was every Michigan fan's #1 pick, but you can't compete with NFL money, and Pat Fitzgerald was never offered the job, he was contacted and was asked what his interest in the job was. Repeat, he was never offered the job.
3rd-Hoke said he wanted the job, didn't care about money, and would walk to Michigan to take the job. You can't measure the man's passion for the university, and I think that was the selling point.
*On Hoke- His record is not great and he was not Michigan's #1 choice, but either was Bo. Joe Pa was the #1 for the job in 1969 and he turned it down, often times it works out for all parties involved. Jim Tressel was not the #1 option for OSU fans, remember Glenn Mason???. Often times the #1 choice doesn't get the job.
**Hoke coached two very below average programs and turned them around. People put way too much focus on his overall record. Most of you remember how bad Ball State was right. Bottom feeder for a long long time, and he turned them into an undefeated team. In 2006 he nearly beat UM's beat team in a decade with his Ball State team. His conference record is 27-20, which looks a lot better then his 47-50 record. SDSU same situation, not quite as bad, but he turned them around pretty quickly.
*Hoke has run every offense under the sun, he will make this work imo.
I try not to get hung up on records anymore. Did you know Mark Dantonio until beating Wisconsin this season had never beat a ranked team. Does that make him a bad coach?
My point, Hoke took a historically bad program and made them darn near perfect.
We will see how this thing goes, but I think UM is starting to follow the OSU model for hiring coaches. Find someone who knows the traditions, culture, rivalries, and has a passion for the university.
peake wrote:I waited a long time to post because of all of the misinformation.
1st-Harbuagh said he wanted the ultimate challenge of coaching in the NFL. Michigan tried to bring him home and his asking price was 5+million. Jim Tressel makes 3.7, and OSU has the 1st or 2nd highest athletic budget so that was not going to happen. They tried but his asking price was far too high.
2nd-Miles has a clause in his contract that anytime an SEC coach gets a raise so does he. He is the 2nd highest paid coach in all of college football, has a top 5 recruiting class, and will the pick to win the SEC and possibly the NC next season. He was asking around 4 million and Michigan said no.
****Niether candidate turned down Michigan. They talked, they negotiated, and no terms could be reached on both parties. There was no the job is yours, and the other said no thank you. David Brandon conducted interviews and that was it. Repeat, there was never an offer to either.
*Before we go any further, two things: I wanted Harbaugh bad, he was every Michigan fan's #1 pick, but you can't compete with NFL money, and Pat Fitzgerald was never offered the job, he was contacted and was asked what his interest in the job was. Repeat, he was never offered the job.
3rd-Hoke said he wanted the job, didn't care about money, and would walk to Michigan to take the job. You can't measure the man's passion for the university, and I think that was the selling point.
*On Hoke- His record is not great and he was not Michigan's #1 choice, but either was Bo. Joe Pa was the #1 for the job in 1969 and he turned it down, often times it works out for all parties involved. Jim Tressel was not the #1 option for OSU fans, remember Glenn Mason???. Often times the #1 choice doesn't get the job.
**Hoke coached two very below average programs and turned them around. People put way too much focus on his overall record. Most of you remember how bad Ball State was right. Bottom feeder for a long long time, and he turned them into an undefeated team. In 2006 he nearly beat UM's beat team in a decade with his Ball State team. His conference record is 27-20, which looks a lot better then his 47-50 record. SDSU same situation, not quite as bad, but he turned them around pretty quickly.
*Hoke has run every offense under the sun, he will make this work imo.
I try not to get hung up on records anymore. Did you know Mark Dantonio until beating Wisconsin this season had never beat a ranked team. Does that make him a bad coach?
My point, Hoke took a historically bad program and made them darn near perfect.
We will see how this thing goes, but I think UM is starting to follow the OSU model for hiring coaches. Find someone who knows the traditions, culture, rivalries, and has a passion for the university.
Thats all great info, but it comes down to can Hoke compete on the field at UM.
I still think it will get worse before it gets better. And you cant compare Hoke to Jim Tressel because Tress won multiple national championships at Youngstown State before going to OSU. Tressel also had a really good team, and recruiting class going into his first season. Cooper left him a goldmine. RichFraud leaves Hoke a flash in the pan!
YEa now they are recruiting a kid from the San Diego area that was an all american. We will see.
I can't compare Hoke and Tressel because he won a 1-aa NC? Really? WHat is the logic behind that. Hoke moved onto a bigger and better job, that's the natural progression of good coaches. Tressel was at YSU for a very long time, if Hoke stayed at Ball State maybe they get a lot better, I don't know. Virginia's head coach won a National Title at the 1-aa level, it meant nothing once he moved on. I don't think it means much of anything.
Ball State was/is an awful program. Bottom feeder for a long time. The fact that he had success says something about him as a coach. I look at Ball State much as a I look at say Eastern MIchigan, schools that have been traditionally bad for a very long time.
I don't think Rich left him an awful roster to be honest. Having Denard RObinson on your roster is always a good thing, the wr core is very good and could be as good as their is in the big ten. The offensive line is going to be pretty good as well.
The defense is full of young kids, so if he can develop those guys they can be solid.
THis recruiting class will be interesting, because Hoke is now going after a lot of players from the California area and dropping a good portion of the Florida kids. Among the kids he is going after is the #4 DB in the country and the #8 safety. He is dumping a lot of the OL recruits, which makes total sense considering UM is fine there for years to come, and going after more defensive recruits. It will be interesting to see how things shake out in the next month.
I find it interesting that OSU fans don't know how to take a compliment.
I said UM is following the same model for finding coaches that OSU is. That was not a comparison of Tressel and Hoke as coaches.
Tressel is an Ohio guy, he understands OSU, the culture, the media around the program, the rivalries, the traditions, and he embraces them. He has an overwhelming passion for OSU, and I think he would have coached OSU for free. Same with Matta.
That is what I am saying with Hoke. THe man coaches at UM, loves the university with a passion, understands midwest recruiting, understands the rivalries, the traditions, the culture surronding the program, he understands what type of player UM wants. HE loves Michigan, you can't measure his passion for the program, he still has yet to sign a contract and is working at this moment for nothing.
That is all I am saying about the comparison.
I undertstand 1-aa. I understand how good Tress was at YSU, but that means nothing to me in terms of coaching 1a football. It has way more to do with the things I named above rather then his success at YSU.
Coach at Virginia won a NC at Richmond, it has done nothing for him thus far. Just saying, it has more to do with the individual then the recrod, etc.
There is no doubt in my mind Tressel is one fo the three best coaches in all of college football, that is not up for debate in my mind. I don't think, however, you should downplay how difficult it is to win at a traditional bottom feeder like Ball State.
gahs4ever wrote:I do think you err in downplaying the significance of IAA, or whatever they are calling it today.
If you think the competition is tough at the IA level between the haves and have nots and between the majors and mid majors, how much more so at the IAA level when you have to be realistic about who will play at that level and whose ego will take them to the "big stage."
Regardless, many successful DI programs today started at IAA and possibly even lower. I know Marshall started in the SoCon (IAA), moved up to IA status at the MAC, and now are in Conference USA; quite a leap in such a short time. They too were IAA champions at the time Tressel was at YSU and beat him at least once in the championship game.
If you can coach, you can coach. Tressel didnt just have some magic dust thrown over him when he moved to Columbus. He moved to Columbus because of all the years preparing at YSU, and he is the son of a very successful small college coach; Lee Tressel at Baldwin-Wallace.
If Hoke is as good as Tressel, then Michigan truly does have their man.
Actually, Marshall started out in the MAC, got into a buch of trouble with recruiting violations then got kicked out of the MAC and went down to IAA a couple years later. Then rejoined the MAC when they moved back up, then went to C-USA
As a Michigan fan I wasn't to excited about the hire when the news broke but I'm fired up now after watching the press conference. I loved the passion intensity & gratitude Coach Hoke consistently displayed through out the entire presser. IMO there was a different feel then RichRod's press conference three years ago. It seemed to me RR just seemed satisfied & comfortable it was like he was just glad to get paid & no work or effort would have to be done as for Hoke's he seemed grateful yet I think he understands there's some work that has to be done & he'll accept this challenge. Last thought .... Great news came out tonight Hoke was able to get Greg Mattison as UM's D Coordinator from the Ravens where he held the same position I think this is a huge hire IMO .... GO BLUE !
Hoke is building a decent staff, I like his pick for D coordinator.
Mattison was with Michigan when they were building the defense that won them the 97 title, and he was the Florida D coordinator from 2005-2007.
If they can get back to getting great recruits, instead of high MAC level guys, then we just might get a good Michigan team again.
