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This has been an interesting discussion. Stats obviously is the major factor in POY, but more importantly, I would look at the individual game stats and how did the player(s) perform against the better teams versus the lesser teams. Without having all of that information at hand, my vote would be for Bennett.


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mikepike wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:47 am This has been an interesting discussion. Stats obviously is the major factor in POY, but more importantly, I would look at the individual game stats and how did the player(s) perform against the better teams versus the lesser teams. Without having all of that information at hand, my vote would be for Bennett.
How could you make a vote without having the information at hand that you said you would look at to decide the POY?


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It has to be a co-poy this year. I don’t see how you can give it to Bennett over Little or Little over Bennett. If Unioto or Adena would of won the league outright that alone would would of been the determining factor.


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mlittle wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:55 pm
nodumpinpike wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:48 pm Several great players in the SVC
Chandler, Bennett, Little (no specific order)
Sykes
Blackburn or Robinson

2nd team
Robinson/Blackburn
Fuller
Grubb
Debord
Garrison
I would have Estep over Grubb for PV. I believe he’s the best player on that team. Nothing against grubb. I just think Estep brings more on both ends and is overall better
Couldn’t agree more Estep showed me much more than Grubb this year.


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It truly makes NO sense to determine a POY by which team wins the league. Now if the leagues best player happens to be on the league winning team , then he or she deserves it. POY should be determined by the whole player. Not by the best team. The BEST team will win the league.


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nodumpinpike wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:27 pm It truly makes NO sense to determine a POY by which team wins the league. Now if the leagues best player happens to be on the league winning team , then he or she deserves it. POY should be determined by the whole player. Not by the best team. The BEST team will win the league.
Not agreeing or disagreeing but how has it been done in the past? In most sports and most levels it’s often not done that way.

Hard to determine the whole player when each coach maybe only sees a kid play in 1/10th of their games.


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Also, lets be honest, POY is somewhat of a career achievement award, even though it shouldn't be.


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That's a good point also. But I believe there are several ways they can see a POY candidate. Stats, scouting, live streaming and other coaches input about he or she's character on and off the court, are they coachable, does he or she put the teams needs ahead of their own. These are the plethora of things that should go into determining POY for any league or any sport. Everyone says you shouldn't go on stats alone. I fully agree with that. The WHOLE player needs to be looked at and evaluated. Because this young man or lady is who is representing YOUR league until the next athlete is chosen. Just my 2 pennies worth.


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nodumpinpike wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:27 pm It truly makes NO sense to determine a POY by which team wins the league. Now if the leagues best player happens to be on the league winning team , then he or she deserves it. POY should be determined by the whole player. Not by the best team. The BEST team will win the league.
I agree with this. But it has to be taken into account at some point. If player A averages 23 points per game and his team is in 3rd and player B averages 13 per game and his team wins the league then you can argue for player A. But in this case all 3 kids are averaging within a point of each other so the winner of the league has to play a factor. It always has. Swingle won it a few years ago and team came in 3rd. But again he separated himself from the pack

Just look at the girls side. Bayse is clearly the best player in the league. They didn’t win league and yet she still won. She absolutely separates herself from everyone else. None of those 3 on the boys side have done enough to separate themselves but win more games.


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nodumpinpike wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:07 pm That's a good point also. But I believe there are several ways they can see a POY candidate. Stats, scouting, live streaming and other coaches input about he or she's character on and off the court, are they coachable, does he or she put the teams needs ahead of their own. These are the plethora of things that should go into determining POY for any league or any sport. Everyone says you shouldn't go on stats alone. I fully agree with that. The WHOLE player needs to be looked at and evaluated. Because this young man or lady is who is representing YOUR league until the next athlete is chosen. Just my 2 pennies worth.
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If two players have pretty much equal stats then character and sportsmanship should come into play.


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hbk1999 wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:23 pm If two players have pretty much equal stats then character and sportsmanship should come into play.
I think it comes into play regardless


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I personally think it should go the shortest player of the 3


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hbk1999 wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:23 pm If two players have pretty much equal stats then character and sportsmanship should come into play.
If this was the only deciding factor it would be Little in a landslide


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mlittle has to be getting full


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Ironman92 wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:55 pm mlittle has to be getting full
Get in my belly


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I think we should use game winning touchdown passes as time expires from the past football season to break the tie. Not sure if that happened at all last year but I’d say if it did that would break the tie for me.


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Lol


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I say we go with the best hair or the most hair.
CO-MOY
Fuller/Chandler


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nodumpinpike wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:28 pm I say we go with the best hair or the most hair.
CO-MOY
Fuller/Chandler
That hair isn’t even honorable mention bro


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