Michigan Football Recruiting 2013

[VegasEagle]

Vegaseagle

"Peake I agree 100% with you Hoke is getting these kids from ohio and killing it"

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"So you have started off good and took a couple kids from Ohio..........WOW like this has never happened"

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"Hoke at SDST its not like he set the world on fire he was put into a pretty good situation last year playing 8 of 12 home games.Forgive me I if havent bought into Hoke just yet."

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".Like I said im not sold on him"

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"Im not the one looking stupid at this point you just cant handle anyone that disagrees with you"

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"I think over half of the people on here will agree with me...I get it you love UM but come on man you get a couple of kids from Ohio and you wanna crown UM kings of Recruiting for 2013... That is all"

Please stop trolling on here.

Why dont you go ahead and put my entire post on here instead of just putting little parts together

[Peake]

C-Bolt,

I stand corrected. Thank you for pointing that out.

Vegas I am done with you. Act like an adult and try writing like one too. If you disagree don't make statements like "you are butt hurt" or "get your mind right". If you disagree that the structure UM is using is Texas like, or there fast start is Texas like, then use actual evidence to back it up. Don't tell me to "get my mind right". Because yes, you do look very stupid, and I am sure you are not a stupid person, when I put the numbers side by side (and they are nearly identical), and you tell me I am wrong. Show me I am wrong. People have showed me before and I have been the first one to say I am wrong.

You have went from strongly agreeing with me (your 1st post), to be offended and changing your mind completely with no actual evidence to back up any of your claims. So you look really foolish.

[seofan_via_dublin]

Hoke started very fast and has talent and volume.

In the end, Michigan will have a top 4-7 class. OSU will be somewhere between 3 & 5.

Both will be loaded, and both will be well coached.

What we are setting up to see is a return to the way things should be in the conference.
OSU and UM at the top with 5-6 teams fighting for 3rd!

And that's a glorious thing. Here's hoping both teams keep up the good work.

[Peake]

Well said sir.

[SPAMONY]

I am beginning to think we have a troll problem on a UM thread that is turning into an OSU thread.

I bring up his losing record to Saban and .500 record to Miles because of the acts of worshiping that are going on with certain OSU fans. Good for Urban Meyer that he won two national titles, it has nothing to do with where he is at now. Those national championships say Florida on them (as you should know), so until I see one with OSU's name engraved in it excuse me for not kissing his feet. I respect him, but I don't want to hear about him on a Michigan thread or how he is going to get better players out of Florida, which at this point is hardly proven.

HEre is the problem you are your buckeye friends fail to see. If you are going to be successful in the Big Ten, your base has to be the midwest. Not Florida. I am sorry but even the great Urban Meyer is not going to go pull 10 top 20 guys from Florida. That state is already being raided by 3 in state schools followed by the rest of the SEC. I have said all along all Michigan has to do is steal a difference maker or two from Ohio and they are doing well, well they have already done that and have taken 3 players out of the Columbus area. This is a big deal. Michigan leads right now for two more 4-stars who have OSU offers (Deveon Smith and Ben Gedeaon).

Meyer stole a bunch of kids from PSU do to circumstances surrounding their program. I am not blaming him, UM tried too, but it is what it is. You nabbed four big time players from PSU, and good for you, but lets see how you do this year before declaring yourself the kinds of recruiting and everything else.

Michigan is essentially doing what Texas does on the regular, this is something very hard to accomplish. I would show a little more respect rather then come on here and talk about it is all just smoke and mirrors because it is all quantity. also, 3 of MIchigan's 3-stars are within two spots of jumping to a 4-star. That would be 12 or 14 players a 4-star or higher. That is unheard of.

Peake I agree with alot of what you are saying here. But, how in the hell can you claim that Hoke has came into Ohio and STOLE 3 difference makers already when none of these kids have played a snap of football for scUM. Thats just a stupid A$$ comment and you know it! Tell me how great they are in about 3 years. Til then lets just call them recruits not difference makers OK Plus how many of these kids we have offered have commitable offers. (Big Difference)

[Peake]

Spamony

But, how in the hell can you claim that Hoke has came into Ohio and STOLE 3 difference makers already when none of these kids have played a snap of football for scUM.

How in the hell can you claim to have a better recruiting class then Michigan last year if you don't use the same exact criteria I am using? All we have to go off are recruiting rankings until they actually take a snap in college. To come on here and claim "[t]hats just a stupid A$$ comment and you know it" make you look incredibly stupid. My criteria for stealing a difference maker is taking away a kid that OSU really wants and will probably make an impact from day 1. Most kids rated as a 5-star or in the top 5-10 in their state are usually considered difference makers. This is a pretty universal concept.

Now let me ask you how you or anyone can claim to have a better recruiting class then another team if you're not using the exact same criteria? You can't, and by saying to the contrary of that make you look, like your last post, VERY STUPID.

Tell me how great they are in about 3 years

Ok well lets take for instance Scott Mcvey from Clv. St. Ignatsus. Kids was a highly recruited and coveted LB, his teammate was lowly 3-star Jake Ryan, who is now a starter for UM at LB. I understand what you are trying to get at, I really do, but the way you are saying it is 1. insulting and 2. makes you look like you don't want to participate in recruiting discussions. So if you don't agree with recruiting rankings, I certainly understand it, but don't comment on OSU or UM recruiting threads. Simple as that.

Committable offers? Considering Meyer won't stop calling or hounding Dynomite Thomas there is #1. Kyle Bosch has an offer and visited OSU. Whyatt Shallman was offered and visited OSU. Logan Tully-Tillman had an OSU offer (don't know if he visited). Ty Issacs is the #1 RB in the country, so I assume his offer is commitable. Pat Kugler has an OSU offer, and not sure if he visited or not. Chris Fox had an OSU offer. Micke McCray did not, but that is fascinating considering Dad was a captain at OSU and McCray just signed to play in the UU All-American game. Last year there were a plethora of players with committable offers (Kalis, Wormley, Strobel, Bolden late).

I was a recruiting coordinator for two years, I am aware of how this all works. This is not my first rodeo.

[Peake]

Michigan picks up just another recruit #15 Gareon Conley out of Massilon, OH. Conley is just another 4-star DB with good size at 6'1, 190.

That locks up DB recruiting for Michigan, they may take one more S.

I guess this is a solid pickup for an alright recruiting class so far. 10 of 15 are 4-stars or higher and 13 of 15 are in the top 300 players in the country. UM could do better.

[seofan_via_dublin]

UM has 6 recruits from OH, 5 of which OSU had not offered.

The latest, Conley is 4* on his upside. He has good size, but has yet to play a lot of football. Most places see him as a guy who was not worthy of an early offer, but will turn into a good recruit after this season.

Hoke rolled the dice, and snatched him up early.

[Peake]

Michigan picks up commit #16 Deveon Smith. Smith is a 5'11, 215, RB, 4-star out of Ohio. He is rated the #3 player in the state of Ohio by scout. Smith chose UM over the buckeyes.

[seofan_via_dublin]

More accurately, he chose Michigan over Bowling Green, Indiana, and WVU.

OSU offered, but he was never considered a "must get".
They didn't worry about scheduling a visit.

[Peake]

Ok, whatever you say. Only the #7 RB in the country and #3 player in the state of Ohio. Keep telling yourself how Urban has bigger fish, he doesn't take care of home he is going to be in trouble. The biggest fish at RB is still a UM lean and UM is taking one more back. BTW PSU offered Smith too not like it really matters because all of you will argue his scholly offer wasn't committable. If Bama offers a kid then OSU fans say, they offer everyone. It is getting real old. The top RB in the state of Ohio just chose your rival, that is a big deal.

All of you are becoming more delusional then you regularly are.

[seofan_via_dublin]

We already have the #2 prospect in OH, and the #6 RB in the country in Jalin Marshall.
Combine that with Warren Ball and Bri'onte Dunn and you have no need for Smith.

What was it you were yelling about when Dunn didn't commit to UM, "we've got Fitz, no need for Dunn", well the same works in this state too.

Smith's listed offers we're UM, OSU, WVU, Bowling Green, Indiana, and Purdue. No PSU.

UM has a really good class, but they have only taken 2 guys with OSU interest, and that's only if you count the courtesy offer of Smith.

[Peake]

1st I never yelled anything about Dunn. We would have loved to have him. I don't think he wanted to sit behind Fitz, but he will get a much better shot at OSU where there is no clear #1. I do agree OSU has a nice stable of young backs. Saying we didn't want him is flat out a lie or false.

This is from your own recruiting insider "1) Michigan has two of the top three players in Ohio (Smith and Thomas) and both have offers from Urban Meyer. Make no mistake, Meyer offered both, pursued both, and wanted both. Even if Dymonte was already a Wolverine when Meyer was hired, it is still a victory to KEEP him a Wolverine."

Simply keeping a good recruit away from your rival is a victory.

If you can get two top RB's you do. The situation now is Michigan has Smith, but is very much still after Issac. You don't not go after top recruits because you have one (Especially since Marshall could be a WR).

Rivals lists Penn St as an offer, but I don't really care if he has one or not.

OSU offered Shallman, Fox, Thomas, Smith, Kugler, Tully-Tillman, and Bosch. That is seven commits with OSU offers.

Delusional.

[Peake]

I'll be at Spring practice at least twice this week so I'll give an update.

This is what I was told.

RSr Ricky Barnum will start at center. Barnum started at OG last year but they are confident he will slide into the OC position well. Built just like Molk.
LG is up for grabs with RSr Elliot Mealer and RFr Chris Barnett fighting it out. They believe at this point Mealer has the edge but Barnett has the upside but is still a little green.
This allows RSoph Michael Schofield to slide to his natural position at RT. Both tackles Taylor Lewan (6'7, 305) and Schofield (6'7, 300) are massive. Both were TE's in high school so they are very lean.
RFr Justice Hayes will be moved around a lot this year. He will play RB and Slot.
Soph Thomas Rawls will get his shot to backup Fitz.
Devon will get a shot at WR is the rumor. I will let you know when I see it in person.

Defense there are a few changes.
DT of course are a big question mark. Will Campbell has been serviceable so far, but he needs to be better. Quinton Washington has huge upside, but is still adjusting to the position. Richard Ash is still a question mark. Also we will see Jaleel Black move down to DT. He is currently 270ish, needs to get to 285 by fall.
Sr Craig Roh will move to strongside and Soph Frank Clark and Brennon Beyer will fight it out at Weakside. Both were pretty thin last year but Clark is rumored to by around 255 and Beyer at 245.

Pretty much it until I see it in person.

[SPAMONY]

Spamony

But, how in the hell can you claim that Hoke has came into Ohio and STOLE 3 difference makers already when none of these kids have played a snap of football for scUM.

How in the hell can you claim to have a better recruiting class then Michigan last year if you don't use the same exact criteria I am using? All we have to go off are recruiting rankings until they actually take a snap in college. To come on here and claim "[t]hats just a stupid A$$ comment and you know it" make you look incredibly stupid. My criteria for stealing a difference maker is taking away a kid that OSU really wants and will probably make an impact from day 1. Most kids rated as a 5-star or in the top 5-10 in their state are usually considered difference makers. This is a pretty universal concept.

Now let me ask you how you or anyone can claim to have a better recruiting class then another team if you're not using the exact same criteria? You can't, and by saying to the contrary of that make you look, like your last post, VERY STUPID.

Tell me how great they are in about 3 years

Ok well lets take for instance Scott Mcvey from Clv. St. Ignatsus. Kids was a highly recruited and coveted LB, his teammate was lowly 3-star Jake Ryan, who is now a starter for UM at LB. I understand what you are trying to get at, I really do, but the way you are saying it is 1. insulting and 2. makes you look like you don't want to participate in recruiting discussions. So if you don't agree with recruiting rankings, I certainly understand it, but don't comment on OSU or UM recruiting threads. Simple as that.

Committable offers? Considering Meyer won't stop calling or hounding Dynomite Thomas there is #1. Kyle Bosch has an offer and visited OSU. Whyatt Shallman was offered and visited OSU. Logan Tully-Tillman had an OSU offer (don't know if he visited). Ty Issacs is the #1 RB in the country, so I assume his offer is commitable. Pat Kugler has an OSU offer, and not sure if he visited or not. Chris Fox had an OSU offer. Micke McCray did not, but that is fascinating considering Dad was a captain at OSU and McCray just signed to play in the UU All-American game. Last year there were a plethora of players with committable offers (Kalis, Wormley, Strobel, Bolden late).

I was a recruiting coordinator for two years, I am aware of how this all works. This is not my first rodeo.

you know what you were saying when you said difference makers. OSU and scUM have ZERO difference makers....just highly regarded recruits. i would call out dubs for the same a$$inine comment. its just spin nothing more. some of these recruits from both teams will flop just the way it goes. spin spin spin thats all. even meyer agrees with me on this point. lets take a look in 3 years to see if meyer killed it in 2012 or not. BTW i will comment where ever i like. i just wont spin spin spin like most like to.

[Peake]

My point remains the same.

1. Don't comment on recruiting if you don't really want to participate using the same universal criteria used by everyone who follows recruiting.
2. Difference makers: Randy Moss, Charles Woodson, Ted Ginn Jr, Percy Harvin, etc. Can't miss type of recruits. That is not asinine that is a reality.
3. I agree with what you are saying about re-evaluating in 3 years, but that is not how it works. This is why they have recruiting rankings.

If you don't like it, don't comment. You are like a turd in the punch bowl. I don't see you on OSU threads talking about how Meyer didn't kill it because we won't know for several more years.

Saying we have landed #2 and #3 ranked players in the state of Ohio with OSU offers is not spin, it is reality. I am not the only one who feels these guys are d*mn good recruits.

Continue adding nothing though, appreciate it.

[Peake]

Headed to A2 :12222

[SPAMONY]

My point remains the same.

1. Don't comment on recruiting if you don't really want to participate using the same universal criteria used by everyone who follows recruiting.
2. Difference makers: Randy Moss, Charles Woodson, Ted Ginn Jr, Percy Harvin, etc. Can't miss type of recruits. That is not asinine that is a reality.
3. I agree with what you are saying about re-evaluating in 3 years, but that is not how it works. This is why they have recruiting rankings.

If you don't like it, don't comment. You are like a turd in the punch bowl. I don't see you on OSU threads talking about how Meyer didn't kill it because we won't know for several more years.

Saying we have landed #2 and #3 ranked players in the state of Ohio with OSU offers is not spin, it is reality. I am not the only one who feels these guys are d*mn good recruits.

Continue adding nothing though, appreciate it.

[Peake]

No practice today, Coach Hoke's father is ill. Travel there tomorrow instead.

[Peake]

Took in about 20 minutes of practice today. Coach Hoke is serious, he doesn't want people seeing anything. Kind of reminds me of the Woody and Bo days when they both thought people were trying to report things to the other side.

OL- Pretty set with LT- Lewan RJr LG- Meller RSr OC- Barnum RSr RG- O'mahmeh RSr RT- Scholfield RSoph
*The OL is finally starting to take shape. Look at all of those 4th and 5th year guys. This is a good sign. Depth is an issue though as of spring. Jake Miller RFr and Chris Bryant RFr will provide depth and expect Kyle Kalis to get in the roatation.
*Lewan and Scholfield are going to be monsters. Lewan is 6'8 305 and Scholfield is 6'7 300. Both are still very lean.

RB- Pretty set with Fitz. He looked good, but Justice Hayes RFr is getting the majority of the second snaps. They want to see if he can provide some depth and quality snaps next season.

WR- Solid. Roundtree is good, always has been. Slots are good with Gallon and Delieo. Jerald Robinson has a real shot to step up. He looked bigger around 205ish at 6'2. He caught everything that came to him. He is the type of wideout UM is looking for. Jeremy Jackson needs to step up this year. He is 6'4 and would provide a nice target in the redzone.
*Devin Gardner did take snaps at WR, jsut not while we were there.

QB-Looked good.

TE- Brandon Moore is a great kid, very smart (3.8 gpa), but just never really developed. He is big at 6'5 260, but just doesn't wow you. Ricardo Miller has been a bust, looks lost.

DL- Look very solid so far against a veteran OL. Campbell really upsets me. He will throw the OC in the backfield one play and then end up 5 yards down field the next. Quinton Washington looked solid, probably all he will ever be. Jibreel Black looks very good at 3-tech. He is still light at around 265, but they expect him at 275-280 by fall.

DE- Craig Roh looks like Van Bergan at SDE. He is more athletic, but I don't know if he has the same motor. WDE is pretty set for the next 3-4 years with Beyer and Frank Clark. Clark looked really big 250ish, he was maybe 225 when he came in last year. Beyer is a little skinner at around 240.

MLB-Demens looked solid like always. Antonio Poole looked good too. He was around 205 when he came last year, now around 225. Bolden is one to watch. I don't know how he won't get minutes. Reminds me a lot of former Buckeye AJ Hawk. he is 6'3 230 already and runs around trying to kill people every play.

SLB- Jake Ryan is going to be a stud. He looked really big around 255 or so. Future all-big ten imo.

WLB- Up for grabs. Morgan will fight to keep it, but we will see. He is bigger too around 235.

DB- Solid with JT Floyd and Blake Countess. Courtney Avery was playing nickle and second at DB.

S- Jordan Kovacs looked solid, but the battle will be between Marvin Robinson and Thomas. Robinson is the better athlete, but Thomas just does things right. Marvin in the one drill I watched was the player that others didn't want to hit. Problem with that is that he had too many head injuries last season and had to sit out the final 5 games. New comer Jerrod Wilson is big for a safety. Around 6'3 195-200 range. He looked good for his first real scrimmage.


Nothing earth shattering but it was fun to watch for all of 20 minutes. Good news is OL are vets, WR are vets, QB are vets, LB are vets, and secondary are vets. A lot of experience coming back and some solid talent. I think Taylor Lewan is as good a LT as there is in the Big Ten, but we will see if that is true week 1 v Alabama. Denard looked like Denard, ran well and made some good throws, but still limited through the air. Biggest difference from RRod days to now, Michigan is big and physical again, and the talent jump is pretty evident just seeing Bolden, Ringer, and Wilson.

TE scares me big time. Very limited there right now.