The BIG STAGE is KRYPTONITE for Fighting Tigers

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Jason Vorhees wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 6:22 pm Cabell Midland has an Enrollment of 1,825 total.
Huntington has an enrollment of 1,806 total.

Ironton has an enrollment of 348 total.

Midland and Huntington has larger single grades than Ironton’s high school does total. They SHOULD beat Ironton.

Spring Valley has 996 total enrollment.

Kudos to Ironton playing the equivalent of a D1 School in Ohio. As for the other argument of Kirtland or South Range or let’s say Marion Local.
In the time that Ironton has had Pendleton as a head coach, they are 70-13.
In that same time frame:
Kirtland is 73-3
South Range is 53-13
Marion Local is 71-3
Most schools wouldn’t even have the gonads to schedule a D1 school being DV. Ask Dayton City schools why they don’t play MAC schools anymore. Again, Kudos to Ironton scheduling up. You’re asking a school (from some posters) to achieve nearly the impossible. It’s like walking into a casino with $5 and winning $500,000. Just be thankful that we’ve seen a resurgence in Ironton football and they’re making it that far most years. Only one other school in Lawrence County history has made the State Semifinals: Coal Grove in 1983 and 1990.

The reason Ironton lost to "D1" Midland is the same reasons Ironton lost to D5 Kirtland or D5 South Range. Midland didnt have a massive talent advantage. Midland outplayed Ironton. So did Kirtland twice. So.did South Range. Enrollment played very little role. Ironton lost em all for the same reasons..


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BTWNTHE__ wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 9:42 pm
Jason Vorhees wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 6:22 pm Cabell Midland has an Enrollment of 1,825 total.
Huntington has an enrollment of 1,806 total.

Ironton has an enrollment of 348 total.

Midland and Huntington has larger single grades than Ironton’s high school does total. They SHOULD beat Ironton.

Spring Valley has 996 total enrollment.

Kudos to Ironton playing the equivalent of a D1 School in Ohio. As for the other argument of Kirtland or South Range or let’s say Marion Local.
In the time that Ironton has had Pendleton as a head coach, they are 70-13.
In that same time frame:
Kirtland is 73-3
South Range is 53-13
Marion Local is 71-3
Most schools wouldn’t even have the gonads to schedule a D1 school being DV. Ask Dayton City schools why they don’t play MAC schools anymore. Again, Kudos to Ironton scheduling up. You’re asking a school (from some posters) to achieve nearly the impossible. It’s like walking into a casino with $5 and winning $500,000. Just be thankful that we’ve seen a resurgence in Ironton football and they’re making it that far most years. Only one other school in Lawrence County history has made the State Semifinals: Coal Grove in 1983 and 1990.

The reason Ironton lost to "D1" Midland is the same reasons Ironton lost to D5 Kirtland or D5 South Range. Midland didnt have a massive talent advantage. Midland outplayed Ironton. So did Kirtland twice. So.did South Range. Enrollment played very little role. Ironton lost em all for the same reasons..
Kirtland and South Range won because those teams were well coached, had excellent game plans, executed said game plans, and made no mistakes. While Ironton made lots of mistakes, and, in the case of Kirtland, didn’t seem to have any game plan. In these games, Ironton was by far the more talented team as well.

Midland, on the other hand, did not execute extremely well nor did they avoid making mistakes. They had the same number of penalties as Ironton (6 each) and the same number of lost fumbles (3 each). Midland just had more talent and depth to overcome their mistakes. If Kirtland coach was in leading Midland, this game would have been over by halftime.

Although I agree that IHS repeated many of the same mistakes, they actually lost for different reasons.


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You can twist the enrollment #’s all you want but with the number of transfers Ironton has they don’t have a D5 enrollment for Football (more like D3), and if they weren’t very creative in their use of apartments and housing their CB Numbers would represent that.

Fact is when Ironton plays teams of equal or better talent they loose and usually loose bad. Turnovers, penalties, and mistakes are examples of lack of discipline and coaching.


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Come on out all you Ironton haters this is the chance to get your feelings out in the open for all to see.


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Everyone speaking facts and ironton people hate to hear it


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osu 77 wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 7:15 am Come on out all you Ironton haters this is the chance to get your feelings out in the open for all to see.
Not hating on Ironton at all. Kudos to them for taking on a much bigger school.

I only point out that a good D1 school is going to beat a good D5 school most of the time. Numbers do matter especially when backed by some talented players.


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RBH23 wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:08 pm
BTWNTHE__ wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 9:42 pm
Jason Vorhees wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 6:22 pm Cabell Midland has an Enrollment of 1,825 total.
Huntington has an enrollment of 1,806 total.

Ironton has an enrollment of 348 total.

Midland and Huntington has larger single grades than Ironton’s high school does total. They SHOULD beat Ironton.

Spring Valley has 996 total enrollment.

Kudos to Ironton playing the equivalent of a D1 School in Ohio. As for the other argument of Kirtland or South Range or let’s say Marion Local.
In the time that Ironton has had Pendleton as a head coach, they are 70-13.
In that same time frame:
Kirtland is 73-3
South Range is 53-13
Marion Local is 71-3
Most schools wouldn’t even have the gonads to schedule a D1 school being DV. Ask Dayton City schools why they don’t play MAC schools anymore. Again, Kudos to Ironton scheduling up. You’re asking a school (from some posters) to achieve nearly the impossible. It’s like walking into a casino with $5 and winning $500,000. Just be thankful that we’ve seen a resurgence in Ironton football and they’re making it that far most years. Only one other school in Lawrence County history has made the State Semifinals: Coal Grove in 1983 and 1990.

The reason Ironton lost to "D1" Midland is the same reasons Ironton lost to D5 Kirtland or D5 South Range. Midland didnt have a massive talent advantage. Midland outplayed Ironton. So did Kirtland twice. So.did South Range. Enrollment played very little role. Ironton lost em all for the same reasons..
Kirtland and South Range won because those teams were well coached, had excellent game plans, executed said game plans, and made no mistakes. While Ironton made lots of mistakes, and, in the case of Kirtland, didn’t seem to have any game plan. In these games, Ironton was by far the more talented team as well.

Midland, on the other hand, did not execute extremely well nor did they avoid making mistakes. They had the same number of penalties as Ironton (6 each) and the same number of lost fumbles (3 each). Midland just had more talent and depth to overcome their mistakes. If Kirtland coach was in leading Midland, this game would have been over by halftime.

Although I agree that IHS repeated many of the same mistakes, they actually lost for different reasons.

Ironton got beat because they got BULLIED at the line of scrimmage. Same way they got big boyed at the line of scrimmage vs Kirtland and South Range. ..

Bullied


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osu 77 wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 7:15 am Come on out all you Ironton haters this is the chance to get your feelings out in the open for all to see.

Ya know what I hate being a LIFETIME Ironton fan?

Always FOLDING in big games.

The moment is always too big for the Tigers. ..

Choke artists. - fast out the gate, slow to the finish.


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SWHITE2002 wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 1:39 am You can twist the enrollment #’s all you want but with the number of transfers Ironton has they don’t have a D5 enrollment for Football (more like D3), and if they weren’t very creative in their use of apartments and housing their CB Numbers would represent that.

Fact is when Ironton plays teams of equal or better talent they loose and usually loose bad. Turnovers, penalties, and mistakes are examples of lack of discipline and coaching.

Ironton is weak at the line of scrimmage.

Have been for 3 or 4 years straight now.


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BTWNTHE__ wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 12:48 pm
RBH23 wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:08 pm
BTWNTHE__ wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 9:42 pm


The reason Ironton lost to "D1" Midland is the same reasons Ironton lost to D5 Kirtland or D5 South Range. Midland didnt have a massive talent advantage. Midland outplayed Ironton. So did Kirtland twice. So.did South Range. Enrollment played very little role. Ironton lost em all for the same reasons..
Kirtland and South Range won because those teams were well coached, had excellent game plans, executed said game plans, and made no mistakes. While Ironton made lots of mistakes, and, in the case of Kirtland, didn’t seem to have any game plan. In these games, Ironton was by far the more talented team as well.

Midland, on the other hand, did not execute extremely well nor did they avoid making mistakes. They had the same number of penalties as Ironton (6 each) and the same number of lost fumbles (3 each). Midland just had more talent and depth to overcome their mistakes. If Kirtland coach was in leading Midland, this game would have been over by halftime.

Although I agree that IHS repeated many of the same mistakes, they actually lost for different reasons.

Ironton got beat because they got BULLIED at the line of scrimmage. Same way they got big boyed at the line of scrimmage vs Kirtland and South Range. ..

Bullied
True, but I expect that playing a good D1 school. Not when playing other D5 schools.


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RBH23 wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 1:33 pm
BTWNTHE__ wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 12:48 pm
RBH23 wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:08 pm

Kirtland and South Range won because those teams were well coached, had excellent game plans, executed said game plans, and made no mistakes. While Ironton made lots of mistakes, and, in the case of Kirtland, didn’t seem to have any game plan. In these games, Ironton was by far the more talented team as well.

Midland, on the other hand, did not execute extremely well nor did they avoid making mistakes. They had the same number of penalties as Ironton (6 each) and the same number of lost fumbles (3 each). Midland just had more talent and depth to overcome their mistakes. If Kirtland coach was in leading Midland, this game would have been over by halftime.

Although I agree that IHS repeated many of the same mistakes, they actually lost for different reasons.

Ironton got beat because they got BULLIED at the line of scrimmage. Same way they got big boyed at the line of scrimmage vs Kirtland and South Range. ..

Bullied
True, but I expect that playing a good D1 school. Not when playing other D5 schools.
Thats fair but 2 things.

1. At some point Ironton has to win these big marquee matchups on big stages with big hype or the story becomes = Ironton folds when the lights are brightest.

2..prior to game our fanbase called it a win by a comfortable margin and said Ohio is superior. Then in postgame comments its all about " but look at midlands enrollment."

I just wanna know which narrative are we gonna be consistent with? Smh


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BTWNTHE__ wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 4:13 pm
RBH23 wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 1:33 pm
BTWNTHE__ wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 12:48 pm


Ironton got beat because they got BULLIED at the line of scrimmage. Same way they got big boyed at the line of scrimmage vs Kirtland and South Range. ..

Bullied
True, but I expect that playing a good D1 school. Not when playing other D5 schools.
Thats fair but 2 things.

1. At some point Ironton has to win these big marquee matchups on big stages with big hype or the story becomes = Ironton folds when the lights are brightest.

2..prior to game our fanbase called it a win by a comfortable margin and said Ohio is superior. Then in postgame comments its all about " but look at midlands enrollment."

I just wanna know which narrative are we gonna be consistent with? Smh
Thinking IHS was going to walk over CM was silly. West Virginia football may not be at the same level of Ohio football, but WV does produce some really good/great athletes. Plus, CM is still a very large school with such athletes.

As for Ironton folding, they are still on path to play for and even win the region. But you are right that they need to play better to win the biggest games/state. Three fumbles against the best in Ohio D5 will turn into a blowout loss.


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Games are won and lost on the line of scrimmage. All the “big games” mentioned here, were lost on the line of scrimmage. Ironton may have had more talent in most of those games at “skilled” positions but not on the Line of scrimmage. If you go
back to I great Ironton teams of the past, 78, 81,82,88,89, etc.. they were great and very deep on both sides of the line of scrimmage.
Midland dominated up front. That’s why they won the game. IMO, Ironton was fortunate to score.
That being said, below Columbus, Irontons program is dominant. If the Fighting Tigers are ever going to win another State Title, they will need to get back to where the front 7 dominates the line of scrimmage.


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Paulcrew wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:05 am Games are won and lost on the line of scrimmage. All the “big games” mentioned here, were lost on the line of scrimmage. Ironton may have had more talent in most of those games at “skilled” positions but not on the Line of scrimmage. If you go
back to I great Ironton teams of the past, 78, 81,82,88,89, etc.. they were great and very deep on both sides of the line of scrimmage.
Midland dominated up front. That’s why they won the game. IMO, Ironton was fortunate to score.
That being said, below Columbus, Irontons program is dominant. If the Fighting Tigers are ever going to win another State Title, they will need to get back to where the front 7 dominates the line of scrimmage.

Bingo!!! 🎯 Exactly.
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RBH23 wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 6:45 am
BTWNTHE__ wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 4:13 pm
RBH23 wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 1:33 pm

True, but I expect that playing a good D1 school. Not when playing other D5 schools.
Thats fair but 2 things.

1. At some point Ironton has to win these big marquee matchups on big stages with big hype or the story becomes = Ironton folds when the lights are brightest.

2..prior to game our fanbase called it a win by a comfortable margin and said Ohio is superior. Then in postgame comments its all about " but look at midlands enrollment."

I just wanna know which narrative are we gonna be consistent with? Smh
Thinking IHS was going to walk over CM was silly. West Virginia football may not be at the same level of Ohio football, but WV does produce some really good/great athletes. Plus, CM is still a very large school with such athletes.

As for Ironton folding, they are still on path to play for and even win the region. But you are right that they need to play better to win the biggest games/state. Three fumbles against the best in Ohio D5 will turn into a blowout loss.
Lol.sidenote: my fam who live in Cleveland have ALWAYS told me that Ironton isn't really Ohio its really just Kentucky north and not to worry myself about things like seo football cause were not good at it. Lol. Azzholes lol

Before anyone asks they are St Eds alumn. Smh lol

Speaking of that.👀

A high school football team in Ohio has the biggest offensive line in the country and it’s not even close. St. Edward High School’s front five is made up of five giants. Almost to the point that it’s unfair.
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Paulcrew wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:05 am Games are won and lost on the line of scrimmage. All the “big games” mentioned here, were lost on the line of scrimmage. Ironton may have had more talent in most of those games at “skilled” positions but not on the Line of scrimmage. If you go
back to I great Ironton teams of the past, 78, 81,82,88,89, etc.. they were great and very deep on both sides of the line of scrimmage.
Midland dominated up front. That’s why they won the game. IMO, Ironton was fortunate to score.
That being said, below Columbus, Irontons program is dominant. If the Fighting Tigers are ever going to win another State Title, they will need to get back to where the front 7 dominates the line of scrimmage.
Ironton's line is fine, in my opinion, they are undersized though, but their offense doesn't rely on them holding blocks too long. They could run into an issue if they needed to run the ball due to weather, or because the defense could match their athletes but I think their biggest problem is depth.

most of those guys log significant time on both sides of the ball. That's a big deal.


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wobycat wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:16 am
Paulcrew wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:05 am Games are won and lost on the line of scrimmage. All the “big games” mentioned here, were lost on the line of scrimmage. Ironton may have had more talent in most of those games at “skilled” positions but not on the Line of scrimmage. If you go
back to I great Ironton teams of the past, 78, 81,82,88,89, etc.. they were great and very deep on both sides of the line of scrimmage.
Midland dominated up front. That’s why they won the game. IMO, Ironton was fortunate to score.
That being said, below Columbus, Irontons program is dominant. If the Fighting Tigers are ever going to win another State Title, they will need to get back to where the front 7 dominates the line of scrimmage.
Ironton's line is fine, in my opinion, they are undersized though, but their offense doesn't rely on them holding blocks too long. They could run into an issue if they needed to run the ball due to weather, or because the defense could match their athletes but I think their biggest problem is depth.

most of those guys log significant time on both sides of the ball. That's a big deal.

Run game looks anemic to me unless its against a SLOVC school. No push up front. Slow off the ball.


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BTWNTHE__ wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:19 am
wobycat wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:16 am
Paulcrew wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:05 am Games are won and lost on the line of scrimmage. All the “big games” mentioned here, were lost on the line of scrimmage. Ironton may have had more talent in most of those games at “skilled” positions but not on the Line of scrimmage. If you go
back to I great Ironton teams of the past, 78, 81,82,88,89, etc.. they were great and very deep on both sides of the line of scrimmage.
Midland dominated up front. That’s why they won the game. IMO, Ironton was fortunate to score.
That being said, below Columbus, Irontons program is dominant. If the Fighting Tigers are ever going to win another State Title, they will need to get back to where the front 7 dominates the line of scrimmage.
Ironton's line is fine, in my opinion, they are undersized though, but their offense doesn't rely on them holding blocks too long. They could run into an issue if they needed to run the ball due to weather, or because the defense could match their athletes but I think their biggest problem is depth.

most of those guys log significant time on both sides of the ball. That's a big deal.

Run game looks anemic to me unless its against a SLOVC school. No push up front. Slow off the ball.
Not many lineman in the area to recruit in. lol


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wobycat wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:21 am
BTWNTHE__ wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:19 am
wobycat wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:16 am

Ironton's line is fine, in my opinion, they are undersized though, but their offense doesn't rely on them holding blocks too long. They could run into an issue if they needed to run the ball due to weather, or because the defense could match their athletes but I think their biggest problem is depth.

most of those guys log significant time on both sides of the ball. That's a big deal.

Run game looks anemic to me unless its against a SLOVC school. No push up front. Slow off the ball.
Not many lineman in the area to recruit in. lol
Confident we can snag a few commitments during off season camp thats open to all area players. 😉 lol


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