Ironton - Burg debate

[TigerBlood00]

I base it on those that post. Last few years, most were on here talking about how IHS was going to run Burg off the field.

So far this year, it’s only been about 3-4 posters saying it. Expect more to chime in with the running clock as we get closer to game time.

As for the Ironton folk that I know personally, they are very reasonable and realistic. They just don’t post on this site.

& every day burg fans on this site post about burgs superior coaching & culture and YET burg is 1 and 9 vs the big 3 on their schedule over last 3 seasons combined.

Superior must mean something else in scioto co.

Are you still talking about the past?? Do you not remember your entire rant about Burg talking about the past and yet here you are once again with PAST talk. I mean I know you guys just got moved into Ironton so you probably really don't know much about anything other than looking at joeeitel and looking up scores. Just keep this in mind in terms of the most how did you say "RECENT" games Ironton was sitting at home watching Burg play in the most "recent" outcomes. You go ahead and post about the past buddy seems like all you're good for thanks for giving information everyone can find out you know like Ironton's last 2 state championship games have been complete blowouts, 53 points to South Range?? I mean those great 7-7 teams Ironton had that year gave up over 300 yards passing and over 550 yards of offense, Ironton got to yet another big game and couldn't run the ball against a good team 21 rushes 47 yards?? MAN OH MAN and let's not forget the running clock against Kirtland. Against HP last year that juggernaut of a offense rushed to the tune of 101 yards against HP for 2.9 yards a rush, in high school?? DANG. That's enough past for me was hoping to sum it up for you.

As for week 1 given we haven't seen any scrimmages, have no idea if either team gets hit with early injuries I'll give the nod to Ironton by 2 scores as we sit here in July anyways. Only reason I'm going with 2 scores is because I have no idea what Burgs offense is going to look like this year after the scrimmages everyone will have a better idea of what Burg is going to try and do this year. Burg has some talent in that junior class

Am I saying something false?
The past 3 seasons are more relevant to recent trends than 2017 or 1989 and over the last 3 seasons burg is 1 and 9 vs the big 3 on their schedule.

Superior culture where?
Superior coaching how?

Week 1 coming in quick. If Ironton wins how many in a row does that make in the Ed? You can divert and play lil games alllllll ya want. Recent history is relevant. The last 3 seasons reflect ya returning seniors. Your "experience" at "homegrown" burg. And what do we know about burg? We know vs the big 3 on their schedule ( Ironton Jackson Harvest Prep) burg FOLDS like lawn furniture. That is what we know.

Don't worry in true Wheelersburg fashion we will let ya blame ya kids instead of Mr.2017 with the clipboard and headset. Good ol Coach Fumes.

[RBH23]

It just shows how dumb both of you are for actually still going back & forth on the dumb poop. Both of your schools recruit, both of your schools win, both are standards of seo football, both are annoying. Those are facts, 1989, 2017, 2024 who gives a poop. Talk some ball morons

You’re correct about the back and forth.

However, if you are going to accuse Burg of recruiting, bring some proof to the party. 1989 Burg had closed borders and zero transfers. 2017 Burg had a whopping one transfer. Going into 2024, Burg has a CB of 13 and zero transfers; actually have some kids who have transferred out.

Now that we’ve gotten the facts ironed out, let’s talk some ball. Anything you want to bring to the discussion besides false facts and name calling?

Yes, as you can see from my above post I'm curious with the type of offense Burg is going to try and run this year. I'm assuming Rucker is still going to be the starting QB and they've got 2-3 guys on the outside but is he capable of getting them the ball?? I just don't think a team from this area can keep running the wildcat and be successful as you get deeper in the playoffs which was proven against HP last year.

Agree!

What I’ve heard is Rucker will be the starter. Now, to your point, how they use him will definitely determine Burg’s season. Focus on the run, Burg could do well. Prioritize the pass? Burg will do no better than the past few years. Burg simply doesn’t have the speed to beat HP and Ironton with the spread.

As for the wildcat, good for special occasions but not the way to run an offense.

[TigerBlood00]

It just shows how dumb both of you are for actually still going back & forth on the dumb poop. Both of your schools recruit, both of your schools win, both are standards of seo football, both are annoying. Those are facts, 1989, 2017, 2024 who gives a poop. Talk some ball morons

You’re correct about the back and forth.

However, if you are going to accuse Burg of recruiting, bring some proof to the party. 1989 Burg had closed borders and zero transfers. 2017 Burg had a whopping one transfer. Going into 2024, Burg has a CB of 13 and zero transfers; actually have some kids who have transferred out.

Now that we’ve gotten the facts ironed out, let’s talk some ball. Anything you want to bring to the discussion besides false facts and name calling?

Still have not seen any evidence supporting the accusations you have levied at Ironton. "Go ask somebody" isnt evidence. You MADE the accusation. Don't get shy about it. Sounds good. But ya gotta show too. Bring the evidence forward. You slow pokes think you can just yap. But you haven't put up any foundation. Just accusations. So before ya do this.. do that.

[TigerBlood00]

You’re correct about the back and forth.

However, if you are going to accuse Burg of recruiting, bring some proof to the party. 1989 Burg had closed borders and zero transfers. 2017 Burg had a whopping one transfer. Going into 2024, Burg has a CB of 13 and zero transfers; actually have some kids who have transferred out.

Now that we’ve gotten the facts ironed out, let’s talk some ball. Anything you want to bring to the discussion besides false facts and name calling?

Yes, as you can see from my above post I'm curious with the type of offense Burg is going to try and run this year. I'm assuming Rucker is still going to be the starting QB and they've got 2-3 guys on the outside but is he capable of getting them the ball?? I just don't think a team from this area can keep running the wildcat and be successful as you get deeper in the playoffs which was proven against HP last year.

Agree!

What I’ve heard is Rucker will be the starter. Now, to your point, how they use him will definitely determine Burg’s season. Focus on the run, Burg could do well. Prioritize the pass? Burg will do no better than the past few years. Burg simply doesn’t have the speed to beat HP and Ironton with the spread.

As for the wildcat, good for special occasions but not the way to run an offense.

Has the offensive playcalling over the last couple seasons met the burg fanbase assertion of "superior coaching?"

[greygoose]

& every day burg fans on this site post about burgs superior coaching & culture and YET burg is 1 and 9 vs the big 3 on their schedule over last 3 seasons combined.

Superior must mean something else in scioto co.

Are you still talking about the past?? Do you not remember your entire rant about Burg talking about the past and yet here you are once again with PAST talk. I mean I know you guys just got moved into Ironton so you probably really don't know much about anything other than looking at joeeitel and looking up scores. Just keep this in mind in terms of the most how did you say "RECENT" games Ironton was sitting at home watching Burg play in the most "recent" outcomes. You go ahead and post about the past buddy seems like all you're good for thanks for giving information everyone can find out you know like Ironton's last 2 state championship games have been complete blowouts, 53 points to South Range?? I mean those great 7-7 teams Ironton had that year gave up over 300 yards passing and over 550 yards of offense, Ironton got to yet another big game and couldn't run the ball against a good team 21 rushes 47 yards?? MAN OH MAN and let's not forget the running clock against Kirtland. Against HP last year that juggernaut of a offense rushed to the tune of 101 yards against HP for 2.9 yards a rush, in high school?? DANG. That's enough past for me was hoping to sum it up for you.

As for week 1 given we haven't seen any scrimmages, have no idea if either team gets hit with early injuries I'll give the nod to Ironton by 2 scores as we sit here in July anyways. Only reason I'm going with 2 scores is because I have no idea what Burgs offense is going to look like this year after the scrimmages everyone will have a better idea of what Burg is going to try and do this year. Burg has some talent in that junior class

Am I saying something false?
The past 3 seasons are more relevant to recent trends than 2017 or 1989 and over the last 3 seasons burg is 1 and 9 vs the big 3 on their schedule.

Superior culture where?
Superior coaching how?

Week 1 coming in quick. If Ironton wins how many in a row does that make in the Ed? You can divert and play lil games alllllll ya want. Recent history is relevant. The last 3 seasons reflect ya returning seniors. Your "experience" at "homegrown" burg. And what do we know about burg? We know vs the big 3 on their schedule ( Ironton Jackson Harvest Prep) burg FOLDS like lawn furniture. That is what we know.

Don't worry in true Wheelersburg fashion we will let ya blame ya kids instead of Mr.2017 with the clipboard and headset. Good ol Coach Fumes.

Still talking past?? No worries as you get more acclimated with Ironton maybe they can teach you some history you simply haven't been transferred in long enough to know.

[RBH23]

It just shows how dumb both of you are for actually still going back & forth on the dumb poop. Both of your schools recruit, both of your schools win, both are standards of seo football, both are annoying. Those are facts, 1989, 2017, 2024 who gives a poop. Talk some ball morons

You’re correct about the back and forth.

However, if you are going to accuse Burg of recruiting, bring some proof to the party. 1989 Burg had closed borders and zero transfers. 2017 Burg had a whopping one transfer. Going into 2024, Burg has a CB of 13 and zero transfers; actually have some kids who have transferred out.

Now that we’ve gotten the facts ironed out, let’s talk some ball. Anything you want to bring to the discussion besides false facts and name calling?

Still have not seen any evidence supporting the accusations you have levied at Ironton. "Go ask somebody" isnt evidence. You MADE the accusation. Don't get shy about it. Sounds good. But ya gotta show too. Bring the evidence forward. You slow pokes think you can just yap. But you haven't put up any foundation. Just accusations. So before ya do this.. do that.

I’ve told you details about what parents have said. You refuse to believe me, so maybe you will believe them. That’s all I can do. I don’t have audio recordings of the conversations.

Besides, if Pendelton told you himself, you still wouldn’t believe it, so why does it matter?

At the end of the day, what we know to be true is that Ironton’s program only exists because they take from other schools. Little to no internal development. Let other schools do that because it’s not part of Ironton’s program. It’s not what they do.

[RBH23]

Yes, as you can see from my above post I'm curious with the type of offense Burg is going to try and run this year. I'm assuming Rucker is still going to be the starting QB and they've got 2-3 guys on the outside but is he capable of getting them the ball?? I just don't think a team from this area can keep running the wildcat and be successful as you get deeper in the playoffs which was proven against HP last year.

Agree!

What I’ve heard is Rucker will be the starter. Now, to your point, how they use him will definitely determine Burg’s season. Focus on the run, Burg could do well. Prioritize the pass? Burg will do no better than the past few years. Burg simply doesn’t have the speed to beat HP and Ironton with the spread.

As for the wildcat, good for special occasions but not the way to run an offense.

Has the offensive playcalling over the last couple seasons met the burg fanbase assertion of "superior coaching?"

Compared to Pendleton? Absolutely!

His play calling at the end of the Burg game was as bad as it gets. He could have simply ran the ball and the clock. Instead, he throws the ball trying to score resulting in giving Burg the ball back with over a minute left in the game.

That was stunningly bad. At that moment, I realized Ironton did not have enough talent last year to overcome the ridiculous play calling and game management by their head coach.

For Ironton’s sake, hopefully Kasky can bring what he learned from Burg. Teach Pendleton how to call a game.

[ohbuckeye2]

I can’t believe all the Burg folks on the Ironton Football page on Facebook, I even see some similarities in the comments on there and here, you stalkers lol.

Just checked out the Ironton football Facebook page. Looked like a lot of positive comments. Although I didn’t check out every post, those I quickly glanced looked very positive. Didn’t see anything similar to what’s posted here.

Is there a specific Facebook post with such comments? Curious who from Burg is commenting.

Looks like someone deleted the trash out of it. The post was all of the D1 schools that have recruited Ironton players.

[TigerBlood00]

Are you still talking about the past?? Do you not remember your entire rant about Burg talking about the past and yet here you are once again with PAST talk. I mean I know you guys just got moved into Ironton so you probably really don't know much about anything other than looking at joeeitel and looking up scores. Just keep this in mind in terms of the most how did you say "RECENT" games Ironton was sitting at home watching Burg play in the most "recent" outcomes. You go ahead and post about the past buddy seems like all you're good for thanks for giving information everyone can find out you know like Ironton's last 2 state championship games have been complete blowouts, 53 points to South Range?? I mean those great 7-7 teams Ironton had that year gave up over 300 yards passing and over 550 yards of offense, Ironton got to yet another big game and couldn't run the ball against a good team 21 rushes 47 yards?? MAN OH MAN and let's not forget the running clock against Kirtland. Against HP last year that juggernaut of a offense rushed to the tune of 101 yards against HP for 2.9 yards a rush, in high school?? DANG. That's enough past for me was hoping to sum it up for you.

As for week 1 given we haven't seen any scrimmages, have no idea if either team gets hit with early injuries I'll give the nod to Ironton by 2 scores as we sit here in July anyways. Only reason I'm going with 2 scores is because I have no idea what Burgs offense is going to look like this year after the scrimmages everyone will have a better idea of what Burg is going to try and do this year. Burg has some talent in that junior class

Am I saying something false?
The past 3 seasons are more relevant to recent trends than 2017 or 1989 and over the last 3 seasons burg is 1 and 9 vs the big 3 on their schedule.

Superior culture where?
Superior coaching how?

Week 1 coming in quick. If Ironton wins how many in a row does that make in the Ed? You can divert and play lil games alllllll ya want. Recent history is relevant. The last 3 seasons reflect ya returning seniors. Your "experience" at "homegrown" burg. And what do we know about burg? We know vs the big 3 on their schedule ( Ironton Jackson Harvest Prep) burg FOLDS like lawn furniture. That is what we know.

Don't worry in true Wheelersburg fashion we will let ya blame ya kids instead of Mr.2017 with the clipboard and headset. Good ol Coach Fumes.

Still talking past?? No worries as you get more acclimated with Ironton maybe they can teach you some history you simply haven't been transferred in long enough to know.

Burg seniors may graduate 1 and 12 overall for their 4 year career vs Ironton Jackson and Prep combined.

[RBH23]

I can’t believe all the Burg folks on the Ironton Football page on Facebook, I even see some similarities in the comments on there and here, you stalkers lol.

Just checked out the Ironton football Facebook page. Looked like a lot of positive comments. Although I didn’t check out every post, those I quickly glanced looked very positive. Didn’t see anything similar to what’s posted here.

Is there a specific Facebook post with such comments? Curious who from Burg is commenting.

Looks like someone deleted the trash out of it. The post was all of the D1 schools that have recruited Ironton players.

Glad the stuff was deleted. No reason for whatever nonsense was posted.

[RBH23]

Am I saying something false?
The past 3 seasons are more relevant to recent trends than 2017 or 1989 and over the last 3 seasons burg is 1 and 9 vs the big 3 on their schedule.

Superior culture where?
Superior coaching how?

Week 1 coming in quick. If Ironton wins how many in a row does that make in the Ed? You can divert and play lil games alllllll ya want. Recent history is relevant. The last 3 seasons reflect ya returning seniors. Your "experience" at "homegrown" burg. And what do we know about burg? We know vs the big 3 on their schedule ( Ironton Jackson Harvest Prep) burg FOLDS like lawn furniture. That is what we know.

Don't worry in true Wheelersburg fashion we will let ya blame ya kids instead of Mr.2017 with the clipboard and headset. Good ol Coach Fumes.

Still talking past?? No worries as you get more acclimated with Ironton maybe they can teach you some history you simply haven't been transferred in long enough to know.

Burg seniors may graduate 1 and 12 overall for their 4 year career vs Ironton Jackson and Prep combined.

Are you still blabbering Mr 1989?

[greygoose]

Am I saying something false?
The past 3 seasons are more relevant to recent trends than 2017 or 1989 and over the last 3 seasons burg is 1 and 9 vs the big 3 on their schedule.

Superior culture where?
Superior coaching how?

Week 1 coming in quick. If Ironton wins how many in a row does that make in the Ed? You can divert and play lil games alllllll ya want. Recent history is relevant. The last 3 seasons reflect ya returning seniors. Your "experience" at "homegrown" burg. And what do we know about burg? We know vs the big 3 on their schedule ( Ironton Jackson Harvest Prep) burg FOLDS like lawn furniture. That is what we know.

Don't worry in true Wheelersburg fashion we will let ya blame ya kids instead of Mr.2017 with the clipboard and headset. Good ol Coach Fumes.

Still talking past?? No worries as you get more acclimated with Ironton maybe they can teach you some history you simply haven't been transferred in long enough to know.

Burg seniors may graduate 1 and 12 overall for their 4 year career vs Ironton Jackson and Prep combined.

You still talking about the past?? My guess is unlike you, they're probably preparing for 2024 and probably really happy their 2023 season lasted longer than Ironton's but they want to go farther. Tell us again which kid did you transfer in?? Ride them coat tails. Ironton does have that 7-7 at Ironton coming up Friday maybe some new information can come from ya. I mean this is a Burg and Ironton debate, not a Burg and Ironton past accolades talk.

[yabbadabbadoo]

What's going to happen if Ironton doesn't put a running clock on Burg? Will Ironton feel that that is a negative going into the season? Both teams always start at slow that first game and last year was a perfect example. Both teams were sloppy and it showed, especially in the 2nd half.


I don't see Ironton putting a running clock on Burg at Burg. I mean, come on, we don't have the Mahlmeister brothers calling the game but I do think we should be able to get some calls go our way.

[wobycat]

I think Ironton is basically fielding the same team as last year. They were able to replace the notre dame kid with the kid from West Virginia. Seems like the same build and type of player. They will miss pitman, Thacker and Patterson. The sophomore class for Ironton is pretty good so I can see some of those kids repping their spots.

Burg is a mystery at this point. A lot of seniors depart off the regional runner up team. The departing seniors weren’t overly talented compared to other burg teams but they were hard working and smart. Offensively for burg, I see them being very exceptional. Defensively, they have pieces but putting them in then right spots may take some time.

[yabbadabbadoo]

I think Ironton is basically fielding the same team as last year. They were able to replace the notre dame kid with the kid from West Virginia. Seems like the same build and type of player. They will miss pitman, Thacker and Patterson. The sophomore class for Ironton is pretty good so I can see some of those kids repping their spots.

Burg is a mystery at this point. A lot of seniors depart off the regional runner up team. The departing seniors weren’t overly talented compared to other burg teams but they were hard working and smart. Offensively for burg, I see them being very exceptional. Defensively, they have pieces but putting them in then right spots may take some time.

I think Burg will have to be a run oriented team this year. Pretty good offensive line coming back and Brown and Emnett in the back field could be a handful. Mix in Rucker running some they could be good. Still have two capable receivers in Evans and McGraw so throwing the ball isn't completely out.

[Larry Fine]

I think Ironton is basically fielding the same team as last year. They were able to replace the notre dame kid with the kid from West Virginia. Seems like the same build and type of player. They will miss pitman, Thacker and Patterson. The sophomore class for Ironton is pretty good so I can see some of those kids repping their spots.

Burg is a mystery at this point. A lot of seniors depart off the regional runner up team. The departing seniors weren’t overly talented compared to other burg teams but they were hard working and smart. Offensively for burg, I see them being very exceptional. Defensively, they have pieces but putting them in then right spots may take some time.

I think Burg will have to be a run oriented team this year. Pretty good offensive line coming back and Brown and Emnett in the back field could be a handful. Mix in Rucker running some they could be good. Still have two capable receivers in Evans and McGraw so throwing the ball isn't completely out.

Has the quarterback gotten any bigger?

[TigerBlood00]

I think Ironton is basically fielding the same team as last year. They were able to replace the notre dame kid with the kid from West Virginia. Seems like the same build and type of player. They will miss pitman, Thacker and Patterson. The sophomore class for Ironton is pretty good so I can see some of those kids repping their spots.

Burg is a mystery at this point. A lot of seniors depart off the regional runner up team. The departing seniors weren’t overly talented compared to other burg teams but they were hard working and smart. Offensively for burg, I see them being very exceptional. Defensively, they have pieces but putting them in then right spots may take some time.

I think Burg will have to be a run oriented team this year. Pretty good offensive line coming back and Brown and Emnett in the back field could be a handful. Mix in Rucker running some they could be good. Still have two capable receivers in Evans and McGraw so throwing the ball isn't completely out.

Has the quarterback gotten any bigger?

[TigerBlood00]

What's going to happen if Ironton doesn't put a running clock on Burg? Will Ironton feel that that is a negative going into the season? Both teams always start at slow that first game and last year was a perfect example. Both teams were sloppy and it showed, especially in the 2nd half.


I don't see Ironton putting a running clock on Burg at Burg. I mean, come on, we don't have the Mahlmeister brothers calling the game but I do think we should be able to get some calls go our way.

Whats going to happen if burg loses?

Answer: they fall to 1 and 10 vs Ironton Jackson and Prep combined over the last 4 seasons.

[RBH23]

I think Ironton is basically fielding the same team as last year. They were able to replace the notre dame kid with the kid from West Virginia. Seems like the same build and type of player. They will miss pitman, Thacker and Patterson. The sophomore class for Ironton is pretty good so I can see some of those kids repping their spots.

Burg is a mystery at this point. A lot of seniors depart off the regional runner up team. The departing seniors weren’t overly talented compared to other burg teams but they were hard working and smart. Offensively for burg, I see them being very exceptional. Defensively, they have pieces but putting them in then right spots may take some time.

I think Burg will have to be a run oriented team this year. Pretty good offensive line coming back and Brown and Emnett in the back field could be a handful. Mix in Rucker running some they could be good. Still have two capable receivers in Evans and McGraw so throwing the ball isn't completely out.

Any word on how the D will look? Is linebacker the biggest concern? Also, any freshmen/sophomores that will have an impact at the varsity level?

[yabbadabbadoo]

I think Ironton is basically fielding the same team as last year. They were able to replace the notre dame kid with the kid from West Virginia. Seems like the same build and type of player. They will miss pitman, Thacker and Patterson. The sophomore class for Ironton is pretty good so I can see some of those kids repping their spots.

Burg is a mystery at this point. A lot of seniors depart off the regional runner up team. The departing seniors weren’t overly talented compared to other burg teams but they were hard working and smart. Offensively for burg, I see them being very exceptional. Defensively, they have pieces but putting them in then right spots may take some time.

I think Burg will have to be a run oriented team this year. Pretty good offensive line coming back and Brown and Emnett in the back field could be a handful. Mix in Rucker running some they could be good. Still have two capable receivers in Evans and McGraw so throwing the ball isn't completely out.

Any word on how the D will look? Is linebacker the biggest concern? Also, any freshmen/sophomores that will have an impact at the varsity level?

I think Emnett will step in probably on the D-line or possibly at LB!!!