Ironton - Burg debate

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Re: Ironton - Burg debate

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Larry Fine wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 12:21 pm
yabbadabbadoo wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 11:03 am
wobycat wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 8:55 am I think Ironton is basically fielding the same team as last year. They were able to replace the notre dame kid with the kid from West Virginia. Seems like the same build and type of player. They will miss pitman, Thacker and Patterson. The sophomore class for Ironton is pretty good so I can see some of those kids repping their spots.

Burg is a mystery at this point. A lot of seniors depart off the regional runner up team. The departing seniors weren’t overly talented compared to other burg teams but they were hard working and smart. Offensively for burg, I see them being very exceptional. Defensively, they have pieces but putting them in then right spots may take some time.


I think Burg will have to be a run oriented team this year. Pretty good offensive line coming back and Brown and Emnett in the back field could be a handful. Mix in Rucker running some they could be good. Still have two capable receivers in Evans and McGraw so throwing the ball isn't completely out.
Has the quarterback gotten any bigger?
Kids that age usually do :roll:


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fbnut wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 2:43 pm
Larry Fine wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 12:21 pm
yabbadabbadoo wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 11:03 am



I think Burg will have to be a run oriented team this year. Pretty good offensive line coming back and Brown and Emnett in the back field could be a handful. Mix in Rucker running some they could be good. Still have two capable receivers in Evans and McGraw so throwing the ball isn't completely out.
Has the quarterback gotten any bigger?
Kids that age usually do :roll:
LOL!!!

You gave that softball a ride :)


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Re: Ironton - Burg debate

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RBH23 wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 3:43 pm
fbnut wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 2:43 pm
Larry Fine wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 12:21 pm

Has the quarterback gotten any bigger?
Kids that age usually do :roll:
LOL!!!

You gave that softball a ride :)
Good , he was awfully undersized last year to be toting the rock like you are talking. I watched the Jackson game and he took a beating .


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Re: Ironton - Burg debate

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Larry Fine wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 4:02 pm
RBH23 wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 3:43 pm
fbnut wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 2:43 pm

Kids that age usually do :roll:
LOL!!!

You gave that softball a ride :)
Good , he was awfully undersized last year to be toting the rock like you are talking. I watched the Jackson game and he took a beating .
I thought half the burg team was gonna need a health flight after that game vs Harvest Prep man. Looked like boys vs men.


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TigerBlood00 wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 4:47 pm
Larry Fine wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 4:02 pm
RBH23 wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 3:43 pm

LOL!!!

You gave that softball a ride :)
Good , he was awfully undersized last year to be toting the rock like you are talking. I watched the Jackson game and he took a beating .
I thought half the burg team was gonna need a health flight after that game vs Harvest Prep man. Looked like boys vs men.
Yeah HP made it through the region with ease last year that defense was tough especially if you wanted to try and run it. Be interesting to see what they have this year


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Larry Fine wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 4:02 pm
RBH23 wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 3:43 pm
fbnut wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 2:43 pm

Kids that age usually do :roll:
LOL!!!

You gave that softball a ride :)
Good , he was awfully undersized last year to be toting the rock like you are talking. I watched the Jackson game and he took a beating .
He mentioned him running it some not 10-15 times a game I think most teams need a QB that can handle 5-6 runs per game. Going off his build he’s not going to be a “big” kid so I’m doubting you ever see a time he’s running it double digit times unless it’s a scramble play.


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greygoose wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 5:09 pm
Larry Fine wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 4:02 pm
RBH23 wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 3:43 pm

LOL!!!

You gave that softball a ride :)
Good , he was awfully undersized last year to be toting the rock like you are talking. I watched the Jackson game and he took a beating .
He mentioned him running it some not 10-15 times a game I think most teams need a QB that can handle 5-6 runs per game. Going off his build he’s not going to be a “big” kid so I’m doubting you ever see a time he’s running it double digit times unless it’s a scramble play.
He can run it. And run well. Burg coaches protected him from it last year because he was their only QB option. They will probably run it more often with him when they need too


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wobycat wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 5:15 pm
greygoose wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 5:09 pm
Larry Fine wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 4:02 pm

Good , he was awfully undersized last year to be toting the rock like you are talking. I watched the Jackson game and he took a beating .
He mentioned him running it some not 10-15 times a game I think most teams need a QB that can handle 5-6 runs per game. Going off his build he’s not going to be a “big” kid so I’m doubting you ever see a time he’s running it double digit times unless it’s a scramble play.
He can run it. And run well. Burg coaches protected him from it last year because he was their only QB option. They will probably run it more often with him when they need too
Who will be the backup QB?


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greygoose wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 5:07 pm
TigerBlood00 wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 4:47 pm
Larry Fine wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 4:02 pm

Good , he was awfully undersized last year to be toting the rock like you are talking. I watched the Jackson game and he took a beating .
I thought half the burg team was gonna need a health flight after that game vs Harvest Prep man. Looked like boys vs men.
Yeah HP made it through the region with ease last year that defense was tough especially if you wanted to try and run it. Be interesting to see what they have this year
Preps QB was a STUD.


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TigerBlood00 wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 5:32 pm
greygoose wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 5:07 pm
TigerBlood00 wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 4:47 pm

I thought half the burg team was gonna need a health flight after that game vs Harvest Prep man. Looked like boys vs men.
Yeah HP made it through the region with ease last year that defense was tough especially if you wanted to try and run it. Be interesting to see what they have this year
Preps QB was a STUD.
I’m pretty sure he was only a sophomore or junior, I was very impressed with the DL play it wasn’t like they were run blitzing they just got after it. Going to be a tough out again this year I’m sure.
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wobycat wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 5:15 pm
greygoose wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 5:09 pm
Larry Fine wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 4:02 pm

Good , he was awfully undersized last year to be toting the rock like you are talking. I watched the Jackson game and he took a beating .
He mentioned him running it some not 10-15 times a game I think most teams need a QB that can handle 5-6 runs per game. Going off his build he’s not going to be a “big” kid so I’m doubting you ever see a time he’s running it double digit times unless it’s a scramble play.
He can run it. And run well. Burg coaches protected him from it last year because he was their only QB option. They will probably run it more often with him when they need too
agree, in big games you may need him to carry 10-12 times and other games he might not have a rushing attempt. I think the coaches may feel a little better about the backup this yr.


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fbnut wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 6:46 pm
wobycat wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 5:15 pm
greygoose wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 5:09 pm

He mentioned him running it some not 10-15 times a game I think most teams need a QB that can handle 5-6 runs per game. Going off his build he’s not going to be a “big” kid so I’m doubting you ever see a time he’s running it double digit times unless it’s a scramble play.
He can run it. And run well. Burg coaches protected him from it last year because he was their only QB option. They will probably run it more often with him when they need too
agree, in big games you may need him to carry 10-12 times and other games he might not have a rushing attempt. I think the coaches may feel a little better about the backup this yr.
What grade is the backup QB in? Was he the JV QB last year?


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wobycat wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 5:15 pm
greygoose wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 5:09 pm
Larry Fine wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 4:02 pm

Good , he was awfully undersized last year to be toting the rock like you are talking. I watched the Jackson game and he took a beating .
He mentioned him running it some not 10-15 times a game I think most teams need a QB that can handle 5-6 runs per game. Going off his build he’s not going to be a “big” kid so I’m doubting you ever see a time he’s running it double digit times unless it’s a scramble play.
He can run it. And run well. Burg coaches protected him from it last year because he was their only QB option. They will probably run it more often with him when they need too
Guess I need to post it again since apparently it got deleted. So strange, what were they protecting him from?? Burgs offense was pretty basic last year and honestly most of it was handing off and going to wildcat where he wasn’t on the field. Surely with all those kids they’ve a guy who can come in and do that. Now if you wanted to shield him early on and break it in more and more I can see that just didn’t see anything special they were doing where you’d need to “protect” him from.


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greygoose wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 9:41 pm
wobycat wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 5:15 pm
greygoose wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 5:09 pm

He mentioned him running it some not 10-15 times a game I think most teams need a QB that can handle 5-6 runs per game. Going off his build he’s not going to be a “big” kid so I’m doubting you ever see a time he’s running it double digit times unless it’s a scramble play.
He can run it. And run well. Burg coaches protected him from it last year because he was their only QB option. They will probably run it more often with him when they need too
Guess I need to post it again since apparently it got deleted. So strange, what were they protecting him from?? Burgs offense was pretty basic last year and honestly most of it was handing off and going to wildcat where he wasn’t on the field. Surely with all those kids they’ve a guy who can come in and do that. Now if you wanted to shield him early on and break it in more and more I can see that just didn’t see anything special they were doing where you’d need to “protect” him from.
Injury. He’s there QB 1 for those three years. I think they were a little nervous about his durability last year. They had a wildcat QB last year but every team knew he couldn’t pass. He had a few dump passes but he was just a tough utility kid.


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ohbuckeye2 wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 7:59 pm
fbnut wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 6:46 pm
wobycat wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 5:15 pm

He can run it. And run well. Burg coaches protected him from it last year because he was their only QB option. They will probably run it more often with him when they need too
agree, in big games you may need him to carry 10-12 times and other games he might not have a rushing attempt. I think the coaches may feel a little better about the backup this yr.
What grade is the backup QB in? Was he the JV QB last year?


I believe Conn is his last name and he will be a Sophomore. Started on the Burg baseball team as a Freshman.

Really good athlete with speed is what I'm hearing.


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yabbadabbadoo wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2024 7:35 am
ohbuckeye2 wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 7:59 pm
fbnut wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 6:46 pm

agree, in big games you may need him to carry 10-12 times and other games he might not have a rushing attempt. I think the coaches may feel a little better about the backup this yr.
What grade is the backup QB in? Was he the JV QB last year?


I believe Conn is his last name and he will be a Sophomore. Started on the Burg baseball team as a Freshman.

Really good athlete with speed is what I'm hearing.
That’s impressive, starting any Varsity sport as a Freshman is amazing, thanks.


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ohbuckeye2 wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:11 pm
yabbadabbadoo wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2024 7:35 am
ohbuckeye2 wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 7:59 pm

What grade is the backup QB in? Was he the JV QB last year?


I believe Conn is his last name and he will be a Sophomore. Started on the Burg baseball team as a Freshman.

Really good athlete with speed is what I'm hearing.
That’s impressive, starting any Varsity sport as a Freshman is amazing, thanks.
He seems to have what’s necessary to at least have a chance to be a D1 kid in baseball


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Re: Ironton - Burg debate

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QB = advantage Ironton = experience, depth of talent

Running backs = advantage Ironton , experience and depth of talent

O Line = advantage Ironton/experience

DLine = advantage Ironton experience and depth of talent

WR's = HUGE advantage Ironton

Defensive secondary = huge advantage Ironton. Experience and depth of talent.

Sp teams = Ironton.

Coaching = advantage Ironton. Pendleton has the decided advantage over Woodard head to head so far.

Agree or Disagree?


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TigerBlood00 wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2024 3:26 pm QB = advantage Ironton = experience, depth of talent

Running backs = advantage Ironton , experience and depth of talent

O Line = advantage Ironton/experience

DLine = advantage Ironton experience and depth of talent

WR's = HUGE advantage Ironton

Defensive secondary = huge advantage Ironton. Experience and depth of talent.

Sp teams = Ironton.

Coaching = advantage Ironton. Pendleton has the decided advantage over Woodard head to head so far.

Agree or Disagree?
QB: Burg because their QB will be a second year starter who also played some as a freshman.

OLine: Burg has a lot coming back here. Should be a strong area for them.

Coaching: I give Burg the edge because Pendleton has a tendency to coach poorly against Burg. 2021 and last year were two big brain farts.

Special Teams: Tied. IHS with the advantage on returning punts and kickoffs. Burg FG kicker should be really good.


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Offense

QB - Even. Schreck is a very underrated Qb but so is Rucker

RB - Even. Burg gonna look different at RB this year. A lot more muscle mass back there than years past. Ironton has good backs too.

WR - Ironton. With Terry can’t deny that

O line - Burg. Huge and seasoned. Ironton line not deep enough

Defense

D line. - Burg. Always coached well and has the right guys in there. Ironton will miss Patterson

LB - Ironton. Returns more seasoned guys

DB - Ironton slight edge. Their ability to cover is really impressive.

Special teams: even. Burg ain’t kicking to Terry. They ain’t stupid

Coaching- Burg. I can’t evaluate Pendleton until he has only Ironton kids.


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