Ironton - Burg debate

[yabbadabbadoo]

Ironton needs Burg more than Burg needs Ironton. Let Ironton figure out week 1. The big bad tigers can compete with anyone. Prove it!! Burg should drop their a$$ they aren't needed

Ironton was talking about dropping Burg after the 2018 season because of all the ass kickings Burg had been giving them for the last 7-8 games. It was a big time discussion on here. Then along came Pendleton and he was able to bring in kids to help him win because he sure as hell wasn't winning with what was in house at the time.

This might be a rivalry game to Ironton but it sure isn't to Burg. This will become a must win for Ironton now with the brutal schedule they are now going to have to play without any league games. Who they going to play if Burg, Fairland and Portsmouth decide to drop them in the future? Once Pendleton leaves and yes he will leave for a bigger school someday because Ironton isn't getting him what he wants which is titles. Getting these kids scholarships makes him look good but with the way most of them are not staying at the original school they went to or just not playing anymore at all makes him look bad. Hell, he's already went behind everyone's back up there and applied for the Moeller job yet they still welcome him with open arms.

[yabbadabbadoo]

Just watched podcast this morning interviewing Coach Woodward from Wheelersburg. He talks about the transfer from Northwest having an impact in the backfield. Is this transfer talk because it’s Wheelesburg or recruiting talk? 74 kids out at Burg. 14 seniors . Good numbers. Ironton is typically somewhere around 60 kids. Ironton will have a bigger senior class maybe pushing 20.

@yabbadabbadoo Any other recruits we should be aware of?

I don't know the story on this kid. Was Coach Woodward seen at a NW sporting event with his arm around the young man trying to persuade him to come to Burg? Did he call the kid up on the phone and ask him to come to Burg?


You also do realize that this is just ONE kid coming in, not 13 which is the number I heard ironton is bringing in. How and why do the homegrown kids not get pissed over this? Oh, that's right!! Pendleton's been feeding them the bullshit since 2019 that if we bring these kids in we will win state this year and get you a big ring to wear. Each year the homegrown kids work their butts off in practice and watch the "recruits" play and still yet, they have no rings. Pendleton should probably sell used cars because he's been slinging that BS to those kids for 5 years now.

[RBH23]

Ironton needs Burg more than Burg needs Ironton. Let Ironton figure out week 1. The big bad tigers can compete with anyone. Prove it!! Burg should drop their a$$ they aren't needed

Ironton was talking about dropping Burg after the 2018 season because of all the ass kickings Burg had been giving them for the last 7-8 games. It was a big time discussion on here. Then along came Pendleton and he was able to bring in kids to help him win because he sure as hell wasn't winning with what was in house at the time.

This might be a rivalry game to Ironton but it sure isn't to Burg. This will become a must win for Ironton now with the brutal schedule they are now going to have to play without any league games. Who they going to play if Burg, Fairland and Portsmouth decide to drop them in the future? Once Pendleton leaves and yes he will leave for a bigger school someday because Ironton isn't getting him what he wants which is titles. Getting these kids scholarships makes him look good but with the way most of them are not staying at the original school they went to or just not playing anymore at all makes him look bad. Hell, he's already went behind everyone's back up there and applied for the Moeller job yet they still welcome him with open arms.

Burg has definitely become extremely to Ironton. One, to fill the schedule. And two, a must win game given the new schedule. IHS loses to Burg, and their season could unravel quickly. Lots of pressure.

As for Burg, I think this is a great game to open the season: good competition, nice gate, etc. But given their goals, this game isn’t nearly as important. Sure, we always want to win them all, but D3 Jackson and D3 McNich (they moved up) are much more important games towards Burg reaching their three goals.

Now come playoff time, HP and IHS become very important games. Just not so much in the regular season.

[yabbadabbadoo]

Ironton needs Burg more than Burg needs Ironton. Let Ironton figure out week 1. The big bad tigers can compete with anyone. Prove it!! Burg should drop their a$$ they aren't needed

Ironton was talking about dropping Burg after the 2018 season because of all the ass kickings Burg had been giving them for the last 7-8 games. It was a big time discussion on here. Then along came Pendleton and he was able to bring in kids to help him win because he sure as hell wasn't winning with what was in house at the time.

This might be a rivalry game to Ironton but it sure isn't to Burg. This will become a must win for Ironton now with the brutal schedule they are now going to have to play without any league games. Who they going to play if Burg, Fairland and Portsmouth decide to drop them in the future? Once Pendleton leaves and yes he will leave for a bigger school someday because Ironton isn't getting him what he wants which is titles. Getting these kids scholarships makes him look good but with the way most of them are not staying at the original school they went to or just not playing anymore at all makes him look bad. Hell, he's already went behind everyone's back up there and applied for the Moeller job yet they still welcome him with open arms.

Burg has definitely become extremely to Ironton. One, to fill the schedule. And two, a must win game given the new schedule. IHS loses to Burg, and their season could unravel quickly. Lots of pressure.

As for Burg, I think this is a great game to open the season: good competition, nice gate, etc. But given their goals, this game isn’t nearly as important. Sure, we always want to win them all, but D3 Jackson and D3 McNich (they moved up) are much more important games towards Burg reaching their three goals.

Now come playoff time, HP and IHS become very important games. Just not so much in the regular season.

I totally agree. The sad thing is under the new playoff system 5 losses still gets you in, even though you might be on the road for the first two games. Under the 8 team format with this schedule Ironton has they might have been hard pressed to make it.

[yabbadabbadoo]

Just watched podcast this morning interviewing Coach Woodward from Wheelersburg. He talks about the transfer from Northwest having an impact in the backfield. Is this transfer talk because it’s Wheelesburg or recruiting talk? 74 kids out at Burg. 14 seniors . Good numbers. Ironton is typically somewhere around 60 kids. Ironton will have a bigger senior class maybe pushing 20.

@yabbadabbadoo Any other recruits we should be aware of?

I just found out that the kid from Northwest actually came to Burg last year and was able to play in some baseball games for Burg. His Dad was the baseball coach at NW and quit that job and moved to Burg. If that sounds like recruiting than I don't know what to say.

[TigerBob]

I think now that we are saying “Ironton isn’t even a rival to us” and “Ironton needs this game way more than we do” we are at the bargaining stage of grief.

[Sonny Weaver]

I don't know how you can say this isn't a rivalry game for Burg. I can assure you, there's no other team on this schedule the Wheelersburg staff, roster and fans would rather beat than Ironton

if I told you Burg would go 1-9 this season and you got to pick the 1 win, everyone from this town would pick Ironton undoubtedly

[RBH23]

I don't know how you can say this isn't a rivalry game for Burg. I can assure you, there's no other team on this schedule the Wheelersburg staff, roster and fans would rather beat than Ironton

if I told you Burg would go 1-9 this season and you got to pick the 1 win, everyone from this town would pick Ironton undoubtedly

Not true.

Burg’s goals are (as stated by Woodward):
- Win SOC (nothing to do with Ironton)
- Make playoffs and get two home games (somewhat impacted by the Ironton game, but Jackson and McNich much more important given computer points)
- Win state (depends if Burg and Ironton cross paths)

As for rivals, West will always be Burg’s biggest rival as Portsmouth will be Ironton’s; Ashland would be a bigger rival on Ironton’s schedule if those teams played. Growing up at Burg, we had a strong dislike of everything West; no other team was close. With West, it didn’t matter the sport, we simply did not like them. Played against Ironton in basketball and baseball, and never had the same feelings towards them.

[RBH23]

I think now that we are saying “Ironton isn’t even a rival to us” and “Ironton needs this game way more than we do” we are at the bargaining stage of grief.

Nope, just pointing out the truth.

Examples: first take Burg 2018. They beat Ironton, won the SOC, won region, but lost in state semifinals.

So my feeling about that year? Very disappointed. This team had the offense to repeat yet laid an egg against JM. The win against Ironton meant Jack-squat with regards to the team’s goals. Glad Burg won, but it did nothing towards SOC, home playoff game, and state title.

Same with 2015 when Burg lost in the state-semis to Coldwater. I have no idea, without looking up, how Burg did against IHS that year. But I do know Burg won the SOC. Also, know that they got rolled by Coldwater in state-semis. Realized Burg had a lot of work to do to get to the next level. So again, that first game of the season meant nothing.

Finally, 2021 was the same as above. Burg got thumped by Ironton in game one, but that game proved irrelevant at the end of the year. Burg didn’t achieve the final goal thanks to HP in a game Burg could have won.


I would be really surprised if Ironton felt differently. Assume their primary goals are playoffs, playoff home games, and state title with Burg being a means to an end in the process.

[yabbadabbadoo]

I think now that we are saying “Ironton isn’t even a rival to us” and “Ironton needs this game way more than we do” we are at the bargaining stage of grief.

Sounds familiar doesn't it. Lot of Ironton poster about 6 years ago was saying the same thing. From 2013-2018 Burg was 6-0 in regular season and 2-0 in the playoffs. Average score over that timeframe was 38.5 to 7. Lot of Ironton posters at the time was questioning why should they still be playing Burg.

We all know neither team is going to drop the other one because it is the biggest gate for either team every year.

[RBH23]

I think now that we are saying “Ironton isn’t even a rival to us” and “Ironton needs this game way more than we do” we are at the bargaining stage of grief.

Sounds familiar doesn't it. Lot of Ironton poster about 6 years ago was saying the same thing. From 2013-2018 Burg was 6-0 in regular season and 2-0 in the playoffs. Average score over that timeframe was 38.5 to 7. Lot of Ironton posters at the time was questioning why should they still be playing Burg.

We all know neither team is going to drop the other one because it is the biggest gate for either team every year.

No way should this game be dropped! Heads should roll if that happens!!

[522Pirate]

I think now that we are saying “Ironton isn’t even a rival to us” and “Ironton needs this game way more than we do” we are at the bargaining stage of grief.

Nope, just pointing out the truth.

Examples: first take Burg 2018. They beat Ironton, won the SOC, won region, but lost in state semifinals.

So my feeling about that year? Very disappointed. This team had the offense to repeat yet laid an egg against JM. The win against Ironton meant Jack-squat with regards to the team’s goals. Glad Burg won, but it did nothing towards SOC, home playoff game, and state title.

Same with 2015 when Burg lost in the state-semis to Coldwater. I have no idea, without looking up, how Burg did against IHS that year. But I do know Burg won the SOC. Also, know that they got rolled by Coldwater in state-semis. Realized Burg had a lot of work to do to get to the next level. So again, that first game of the season meant nothing.

Finally, 2021 was the same as above. Burg got thumped by Ironton in game one, but that game proved irrelevant at the end of the year. Burg didn’t achieve the final goal thanks to HP in a game Burg could have won.


I would be really surprised if Ironton felt differently. Assume their primary goals are playoffs, playoff home games, and state title with Burg being a means to an end in the process.

There you go again with logic and reason...smh

[TigerBlood00]

I don't know how you can say this isn't a rivalry game for Burg. I can assure you, there's no other team on this schedule the Wheelersburg staff, roster and fans would rather beat than Ironton

if I told you Burg would go 1-9 this season and you got to pick the 1 win, everyone from this town would pick Ironton undoubtedly

Not true.

Burg’s goals are (as stated by Woodward):
- Win SOC (nothing to do with Ironton)
- Make playoffs and get two home games (somewhat impacted by the Ironton game, but Jackson and McNich much more important given computer points)
- Win state (depends if Burg and Ironton cross paths)

As for rivals, West will always be Burg’s biggest rival as Portsmouth will be Ironton’s; Ashland would be a bigger rival on Ironton’s schedule if those teams played. Growing up at Burg, we had a strong dislike of everything West; no other team was close. With West, it didn’t matter the sport, we simply did not like them. Played against Ironton in basketball and baseball, and never had the same feelings towards them.

Traditionally & historically, Ashland is a stronger opponent for Ironton than burg is.

Cabell Midland is a stronger opponent for Ironton than burg is now. I think burg is replaceable.

[TigerBlood00]

I don't know how you can say this isn't a rivalry game for Burg. I can assure you, there's no other team on this schedule the Wheelersburg staff, roster and fans would rather beat than Ironton

if I told you Burg would go 1-9 this season and you got to pick the 1 win, everyone from this town would pick Ironton undoubtedly

Not true.

Burg’s goals are (as stated by Woodward):
- Win SOC (nothing to do with Ironton)
- Make playoffs and get two home games (somewhat impacted by the Ironton game, but Jackson and McNich much more important given computer points)
- Win state (depends if Burg and Ironton cross paths)

As for rivals, West will always be Burg’s biggest rival as Portsmouth will be Ironton’s; Ashland would be a bigger rival on Ironton’s schedule if those teams played. Growing up at Burg, we had a strong dislike of everything West; no other team was close. With West, it didn’t matter the sport, we simply did not like them. Played against Ironton in basketball and baseball, and never had the same feelings towards them.

Considering Woodards stated goals 1 and 9 vs ironton jackson and prep over the last three seasons combined and only winning their region 5 times in the last 3 decades means the majority of the time as burgs HC has been spent falling well short of his goals huh? Failure correct?

[522Pirate]

I would bet that he (Woodward) would describe it that way because he's hard nosed...anyone with sense would know goal number 3 would have to be somewhat tempered based on roster year over year. So...based on roster ratings would you consider coach petong and ironton the biggest failure in the state the past 5 seasons? They've certainly had the highest rated roster talent by an immense margin but seem to be regressing, having not even played for the regional championship in 2 of the last 3 seasons

[RBH23]

I don't know how you can say this isn't a rivalry game for Burg. I can assure you, there's no other team on this schedule the Wheelersburg staff, roster and fans would rather beat than Ironton

if I told you Burg would go 1-9 this season and you got to pick the 1 win, everyone from this town would pick Ironton undoubtedly

Not true.

Burg’s goals are (as stated by Woodward):
- Win SOC (nothing to do with Ironton)
- Make playoffs and get two home games (somewhat impacted by the Ironton game, but Jackson and McNich much more important given computer points)
- Win state (depends if Burg and Ironton cross paths)

As for rivals, West will always be Burg’s biggest rival as Portsmouth will be Ironton’s; Ashland would be a bigger rival on Ironton’s schedule if those teams played. Growing up at Burg, we had a strong dislike of everything West; no other team was close. With West, it didn’t matter the sport, we simply did not like them. Played against Ironton in basketball and baseball, and never had the same feelings towards them.

Considering Woodards stated goals 1 and 9 vs ironton jackson and prep over the last three seasons combined and only winning their region 5 times in the last 3 decades means the majority of the time as burgs HC has been spent falling well short of his goals huh? Failure correct?

Falling short of winning the state? Absolutely!

Of course you get excited just by the fact Ironton gets to step on the field with Burg.

And no, Ironton can’t afford to drop Burg. That game is far too important to them now that they are independent.

[TigerBlood00]

Not true.

Burg’s goals are (as stated by Woodward):
- Win SOC (nothing to do with Ironton)
- Make playoffs and get two home games (somewhat impacted by the Ironton game, but Jackson and McNich much more important given computer points)
- Win state (depends if Burg and Ironton cross paths)

As for rivals, West will always be Burg’s biggest rival as Portsmouth will be Ironton’s; Ashland would be a bigger rival on Ironton’s schedule if those teams played. Growing up at Burg, we had a strong dislike of everything West; no other team was close. With West, it didn’t matter the sport, we simply did not like them. Played against Ironton in basketball and baseball, and never had the same feelings towards them.

Considering Woodards stated goals 1 and 9 vs ironton jackson and prep over the last three seasons combined and only winning their region 5 times in the last 3 decades means the majority of the time as burgs HC has been spent falling well short of his goals huh? Failure correct?

Falling short of winning the state? Absolutely!

Of course you get excited just by the fact Ironton gets to step on the field with Burg.

And no, Ironton can’t afford to drop Burg. That game is far too important to them now that they are independent.

Only winning the region and even gettin a chance to compete for a title 5 times in 30 years means 25 years of falling short and failure of the stated goals huh?

[TigerBlood00]

Considering Woodards stated goals 1 and 9 vs ironton jackson and prep over the last three seasons combined and only winning their region 5 times in the last 3 decades means the majority of the time as burgs HC has been spent falling well short of his goals huh? Failure correct?

Falling short of winning the state? Absolutely!

Of course you get excited just by the fact Ironton gets to step on the field with Burg.

And no, Ironton can’t afford to drop Burg. That game is far too important to them now that they are independent.

Only winning the region and even gettin a chance to compete for a title 5 times in 30 years means 25 years of falling short and failure of the stated goals huh?

How does a coaching staff get labeled "superior" with a stated goal success rate that low?

[522Pirate]

Considering Woodards stated goals 1 and 9 vs ironton jackson and prep over the last three seasons combined and only winning their region 5 times in the last 3 decades means the majority of the time as burgs HC has been spent falling well short of his goals huh? Failure correct?

Falling short of winning the state? Absolutely!

Of course you get excited just by the fact Ironton gets to step on the field with Burg.

And no, Ironton can’t afford to drop Burg. That game is far too important to them now that they are independent.

Only winning the region and even gettin a chance to compete for a title 5 times in 30 years means 25 years of falling short and failure of the stated goals huh?

Maybe as a program that has only won the region (ironton) 5 times in the past 30 years, you can answer that for yourself...you continue to play yourself and the kitties lol

[packers80]

No excuses. The mid west all stars shouldnt be touched this year with all the talent they have....once again.

Who are the “recruits” on the team this year ?

Zero excuses