Burg at McNichols

[shoelace]

This will be a difficult game for Burg. McNick is very good.

[RBH23]

Maybee they have a new OC gonna call his plays this week. Then after week 2 game the old Coach's can critique his play calling. Should be an interesting matchup this week for Wheelersburg. Then week 3 game and it starts all over again. Week 4 against Nortwest should make all right again.

Not going to get into details, but many Burg fans are not happy with what they are seeing; this is not a one game issue. Coaches need to figure out the O asap!

so you dont think 1-13 since 2019 against Ironton, jackson and prep is good enough remember were a pendleton turning into curt clifford for a half away from being 0-14

LOL!!

The worst part of this past week wasn’t the loss. It’s what we saw:
- Burg O lacked discipline on the first drive with an interception!
- Burg OC did not appear to have a plan for the game.
- Burg conditioning was not good.
- Burg OC made no half time adjustments; Burg coaches completely out-coached by IHS in the second half.

Some of what has made Burg successful over the years could not be found during this game.

[Prime Time]

Lol, Has it ever occurred to you that the talent level is not up to these non conference games. You, your friends, even current Coach’s can’t win games when you dont have the horses, period. I believe in the SOC Burg just out numbers the SOC teams but playing up the last few years is showing in the Win Lost column now. Wheelersburg will win occasionally one of these non conference games but until they schedule down it’s not happening unless they recruit more than 1-2 players a year but like 4-6 a year. Like someone else said you can’t have over half team just happy to make the team during August .

[RBH23]

Lol, Has it ever occurred to you that the talent level is not up to these non conference games. You, your friends, even current Coach’s can’t win games when you dont have the horses, period. I believe in the SOC Burg just out numbers the SOC teams but playing up the last few years is showing in the Win Lost column now. Wheelersburg will win occasionally one of these non conference games but until they schedule down it’s not happening unless they recruit more than 1-2 players a year but like 4-6 a year. Like someone else said you can’t have over half team just happy to make the team during August .

Burg talent level hasn’t changed; look at the names of today’s kids and you’ll notice they are common with players from 20+ years ago! The gene pool is basically the same as it has always been, and recruiting has never been a thing at Burg. Borders were even closed until the mid 90’s!!!

Also, the school has never had big time D1 players. Only D1 power 5 player to ever come out of Burg was the man whom the stadium is named after!

As for the schedule, Burg has always played good teams from outside the area: Columbus Academy, Bishop Ready, West Jeff, Coldwater, Kenton, Newark Catholic, Martin’s Ferry…. And these are teams from just the 90’s!!

Couple things that really bring this home:
- Burg has lost four games in a row to Jackson with the current series standing at 15-11 in Burg’s favor. Burg has mostly dominated Jackson until the prior four years where Burg has given away game after game due to turnovers, mistakes, etc. 2022 game was a classic example. Jackson coaches, before the game, actually thought they were going to lose. Well, Burg coaches really showed them.

- In the late 80’s, Burg played Versailles three years in a row in the playoffs: scores of 8-22, 7-10, and 15-7. Do you really think Burg could play with Versailles now? Would the scores look anything like those scores?
And if not, why? Burg hasn’t really changed, and neither has Versailles. Both still small, tight-knit communities. Actually, Burg may have more kids playing college ball between the schools! Yet Burg can no longer hang.

Anyone can easily see the problems with Burg’s team. This is really not difficult to see.

[Oldtimer55]

Lol, Has it ever occurred to you that the talent level is not up to these non conference games. You, your friends, even current Coach’s can’t win games when you dont have the horses, period. I believe in the SOC Burg just out numbers the SOC teams but playing up the last few years is showing in the Win Lost column now. Wheelersburg will win occasionally one of these non conference games but until they schedule down it’s not happening unless they recruit more than 1-2 players a year but like 4-6 a year. Like someone else said you can’t have over half team just happy to make the team during August .

Agree with most of your comments, but how does Burg schedule down? I stated in a previous post that Burg plays HP and McNicholas out of necessity to complete the 10 game schedule. Portsmouth wants no part of Burg, same with Ashland who btw plays Harvest Prep week 3. Nobody in the OVC or SVC or Frontier league other than Jackson will play Burg . Have tried to get Nelsonville York on the schedule in years past, nope. Fort Frye, nope.
That pretty much covers this side of Columbus and Cincinnati!

[Prime Time]

That’s a good question! Kids might have same names as years past, but kids nowadays just because of gene pool means nothing, just because dad was a superstar , doesn’t mean kid is and just wants to be on team or just be on roster. Who’s to say dad was great, so automatically kid is going to be great, don’t buy that thinking, that’s crazy to think that. Kids are different today . Who’s to say the talent level hasn’t changed, it looks like it to me.

[RBH23]

That’s a good question! Kids might have same names as years past, but kids nowadays just because of gene pool means nothing, just because dad was a superstar , doesn’t mean kid is and just wants to be on team or just be on roster. Who’s to say dad was great, so automatically kid is going to be great, don’t buy that thinking, that’s crazy to think that. Kids are different today . Who’s to say the talent level hasn’t changed, it looks like it to me.

Crazy to think genetics doesn’t play a significant role in athletics? Are you serious? Having parents that are athletic plays a massive role!! Do I need to go through the hundreds and thousands of examples? Cannot believe you tried to downplay that!

If you knew anything about Burg’s history, you would know that it’s a big part of their success: Burg dads that played at Burg producing kids that play at Burg. I can make a long list of names that prove this over and over again.

Now what’s changed is the awful O coaching. From play calling, execution, scheme… it’s a complete dumpster fire!

[Prime Time]

Yes go thru the hundreds and thousands and then go thru the hundreds and thousands that had athletic parents and choose to do something different and not quite as athletic as parents. I say the Coaching in reality is about as good as can be with the talent that is there now. Go tell all the juniors that dad was a super star and you all should beat these teams because it’s in your genes then lol and then tell them it’s in your genes and Coach’s fault. Wow! Way to back the home team! I say it’s over scheduling and now that is coming back to bite the way the record looks to you. 10-0. 9-1 or even 8-2 is a stretch now with talent levels at current time. Does hard work , dedication, wanting to reach a higher level, going extra mile to get better in the gene pool also.

[Jawnjkang98]

Lol, Has it ever occurred to you that the talent level is not up to these non conference games. You, your friends, even current Coach’s can’t win games when you dont have the horses, period. I believe in the SOC Burg just out numbers the SOC teams but playing up the last few years is showing in the Win Lost column now. Wheelersburg will win occasionally one of these non conference games but until they schedule down it’s not happening unless they recruit more than 1-2 players a year but like 4-6 a year. Like someone else said you can’t have over half team just happy to make the team during August .

Burg talent level hasn’t changed; look at the names of today’s kids and you’ll notice they are common with players from 20+ years ago! The gene pool is basically the same as it has always been, and recruiting has never been a thing at Burg. Borders were even closed until the mid 90’s!!!

Also, the school has never had big time D1 players. Only D1 power 5 player to ever come out of Burg was the man whom the stadium is named after!

As for the schedule, Burg has always played good teams from outside the area: Columbus Academy, Bishop Ready, West Jeff, Coldwater, Kenton, Newark Catholic, Martin’s Ferry…. And these are teams from just the 90’s!!

Couple things that really bring this home:
- Burg has lost four games in a row to Jackson with the current series standing at 15-11 in Burg’s favor. Burg has mostly dominated Jackson until the prior four years where Burg has given away game after game due to turnovers, mistakes, etc. 2022 game was a classic example. Jackson coaches, before the game, actually thought they were going to lose. Well, Burg coaches really showed them.

- In the late 80’s, Burg played Versailles three years in a row in the playoffs: scores of 8-22, 7-10, and 15-7. Do you really think Burg could play with Versailles now? Would the scores look anything like those scores?
And if not, why? Burg hasn’t really changed, and neither has Versailles. Both still small, tight-knit communities. Actually, Burg may have more kids playing college ball between the schools! Yet Burg can no longer hang.

Anyone can easily see the problems with Burg’s team. This is really not difficult to see.

Football has become a year round commitment and burg has a large roster but the buy in isn't consistent with the numbers. Burg might have 70 boys but alot of that is part timers with other commitments and when they play teams like Ironton and Prep they are playing 50 man rosters fulla committed basically "ALL IN" football kids looking to potentially play on a next collegiate level. So maybe the talent is light compared to years past for burg, but the motivation and commitment is also different. And then mix in trying to operate an offense that doesnt favor your personell and not great conditioning per week one and this is the result. Could be the game has kinda passed by and gotten away from the current staff a bit. And football maybe is losing its popularity for the burg suburban kids with soccer hoops etc etc taking on more recent popularity. There is likely a culture change now with those kids.

[RBH23]

Yes go thru the hundreds and thousands and then go thru the hundreds and thousands that had athletic parents and choose to do something different and not quite as athletic as parents. I say the Coaching in reality is about as good as can be with the talent that is there now. Go tell all the juniors that dad was a super star and you all should beat these teams because it’s in your genes then lol and then tell them it’s in your genes and Coach’s fault. Wow! Way to back the home team! I say it’s over scheduling and now that is coming back to bite the way the record looks to you. 10-0. 9-1 or even 8-2 is a stretch now with talent levels at current time. Does hard work , dedication, wanting to reach a higher level, going extra mile to get better in the gene pool also.

First, we are not talking about kids who do not play, we are talking about kids that ARE playing and whether the talent is there.

Second, let me prove how genetics works. Mahomes: dad played pro ball. McCaffery: dad played pro ball and mom was an athlete. Harrison Jr: dad played pro ball. Kelce: both brothers played pro ball. Bosa: long line of professional athletes.

My point? Having a parent(s) that was an athlete gives one an immediate genetic advantage and increases the likelihood of being an athlete. Sure, most pro’s kids are not going to go as far as their paren(s) did, but those kids will most likely play sports and will be really good at a young age simply because of genetics.

Now contrast that to parents who are not good athletes; let’s take Mark Zuckerberg. Unless he divorces his wife and marries a gold medal Olympian, his kids are not going to be very good at sports. Forget college or pros, they will struggle in little league!

So back to Burg…. Not going to give names because the board mod frowns upon that but will go through some of their roster:
- Kid #1: grandfather played pro football, dad played D1 football, older siblings playing college sports.
- Kid #2: dad was a successful college baseball player and was drafted by the Red Sox
- Kid #3: dad didn’t play at Burg but did play professional football
- Kid #4: dad was a good RB at Burg who started on team that beat IHS in the Tank for the first time
- Kid #5: dad played football, basketball, and baseball at Burg
* There are dozens of others on this team whose parents and/or relatives played ball at Burg! That’s just the tradition at Burg. I’ve seen decades of Burg football; have even played for Burg. This year’s roster is absolutely not a step down in talent. If anything, it’s an above average roster when it comes to talent!

Finally, you are just looking at w/l without considering how the team played: was the team prepared, how the players executed, etc. Everyone with an IQ above a fruit fly knew IHS was going to win that game unless they beat themselves.
But what we saw, mostly from the Burg O, is of great concern:
- One on the list was conditioning. Burg has never looked that out of shape going into game 1. Although not specific to the O, this falls squarely on the head coach.
- Two, same play calling mistakes from prior years leading to bad results. This goes to Rucker’s int. OC should have eased him into the passing game by giving him some simple reads. Instead, they had him scanning the field working through multiple reads while under pressure, and similar to last year, the result was not good. Btw, IHS OC did not do this to their QB. They eased him into the game. So again, Burg coaching problem.
- Three, clock management at the end of the first half when the game was 7-7 and Burg had the ball. That was atrocious, and anyone who knows anything about football could see that. Again, massive coaching mistake.
- Four, no halftime adjustments on the O. This has become a theme of Burg offense over the past 5 years. Constantly getting out-coached in the second half. Again, coaches are responsible for this.
- Five, no offensive identity. Again, a chronic problem that has not been fixed by the coaches. How many more years until this gets addressed?
- Six, historically Burg classes get better as they move through the system: example, average 8th grade teams typically are better as a varsity team. Why? Because of the quality of the high school coaches. With the current junior class, we are seeing the opposite happen. Again, a reflection of coaching.

Again, the loss is not the issue (hence why your scheduling argument does not hold up), the items listed above are, and all six are self-inflicted by poor preparation and coaching. Also, if you think the offensive coaching at Burg has been good, I’m not sure what else I can say. You may be the only person on earth, other than family members, who think the offensive coaching has been good. I promise you most at Burg do not believe the coaching has been good.

[Prime Time]

You just explained everything I have been thinking all along here. Plus I have been taught a class in genetics , thank you for spelling out how deep all this runs in a football teams makeup. So now what are the solutions that your group will consider needs to happen with all these genetically gifted athletes going forward. I’m confident now that things will work out , especially with eye on the Coaching decisions. I appreciate your effort and break down of situation. Good Luck to the Pirates! For your all sakes I hope the Pirates go 9-1 this year.

[Larry Fine]

Yes go thru the hundreds and thousands and then go thru the hundreds and thousands that had athletic parents and choose to do something different and not quite as athletic as parents. I say the Coaching in reality is about as good as can be with the talent that is there now. Go tell all the juniors that dad was a super star and you all should beat these teams because it’s in your genes then lol and then tell them it’s in your genes and Coach’s fault. Wow! Way to back the home team! I say it’s over scheduling and now that is coming back to bite the way the record looks to you. 10-0. 9-1 or even 8-2 is a stretch now with talent levels at current time. Does hard work , dedication, wanting to reach a higher level, going extra mile to get better in the gene pool also.

First, we are not talking about kids who do not play, we are talking about kids that ARE playing and whether the talent is there.

Second, let me prove how genetics works. Mahomes: dad played pro ball. McCaffery: dad played pro ball and mom was an athlete. Harrison Jr: dad played pro ball. Kelce: both brothers played pro ball. Bosa: long line of professional athletes.

My point? Having a parent(s) that was an athlete gives one an immediate genetic advantage and increases the likelihood of being an athlete. Sure, most pro’s kids are not going to go as far as their paren(s) did, but those kids will most likely play sports and will be really good at a young age simply because of genetics.

Now contrast that to parents who are not good athletes; let’s take Mark Zuckerberg. Unless he divorces his wife and marries a gold medal Olympian, his kids are not going to be very good at sports. Forget college or pros, they will struggle in little league!

So back to Burg…. Not going to give names because the board mod frowns upon that but will go through some of their roster:
- Kid #1: grandfather played pro football, dad played D1 football, older siblings playing college sports.
- Kid #2: dad was a successful college baseball player and was drafted by the Red Sox
- Kid #3: dad didn’t play at Burg but did play professional football
- Kid #4: dad was a good RB at Burg who started on team that beat IHS in the Tank for the first time
- Kid #5: dad played football, basketball, and baseball at Burg
* There are dozens of others on this team whose parents and/or relatives played ball at Burg! That’s just the tradition at Burg. I’ve seen decades of Burg football; have even played for Burg. This year’s roster is absolutely not a step down in talent. If anything, it’s an above average roster when it comes to talent!

Finally, you are just looking at w/l without considering how the team played: was the team prepared, how the players executed, etc. Everyone with an IQ above a fruit fly knew IHS was going to win that game unless they beat themselves.
But what we saw, mostly from the Burg O, is of great concern:
- One on the list was conditioning. Burg has never looked that out of shape going into game 1. Although not specific to the O, this falls squarely on the head coach.
- Two, same play calling mistakes from prior years leading to bad results. This goes to Rucker’s int. OC should have eased him into the passing game by giving him some simple reads. Instead, they had him scanning the field working through multiple reads while under pressure, and similar to last year, the result was not good. Btw, IHS OC did not do this to their QB. They eased him into the game. So again, Burg coaching problem.
- Three, clock management at the end of the first half when the game was 7-7 and Burg had the ball. That was atrocious, and anyone who knows anything about football could see that. Again, massive coaching mistake.
- Four, no halftime adjustments on the O. This has become a theme of Burg offense over the past 5 years. Constantly getting out-coached in the second half. Again, coaches are responsible for this.
- Five, no offensive identity. Again, a chronic problem that has not been fixed by the coaches. How many more years until this gets addressed?
- Six, historically Burg classes get better as they move through the system: example, average 8th grade teams typically are better as a varsity team. Why? Because of the quality of the high school coaches. With the current junior class, we are seeing the opposite happen. Again, a reflection of coaching.

Again, the loss is not the issue (hence why your scheduling argument does not hold up), the items listed above are, and all six are self-inflicted by poor preparation and coaching. Also, if you think the offensive coaching at Burg has been good, I’m not sure what else I can say. You may be the only person on earth, other than family members, who think the offensive coaching has been good. I promise you most at Burg do not believe the coaching has been good.

Man take a walk , have a smoke , try some meditation. The fact that you just can’t throw it up to Tanner Holden and win games is driving you to the edge of insanity. Burg isn’t some state power and no one is scared to play them.

[RBH23]

Yes go thru the hundreds and thousands and then go thru the hundreds and thousands that had athletic parents and choose to do something different and not quite as athletic as parents. I say the Coaching in reality is about as good as can be with the talent that is there now. Go tell all the juniors that dad was a super star and you all should beat these teams because it’s in your genes then lol and then tell them it’s in your genes and Coach’s fault. Wow! Way to back the home team! I say it’s over scheduling and now that is coming back to bite the way the record looks to you. 10-0. 9-1 or even 8-2 is a stretch now with talent levels at current time. Does hard work , dedication, wanting to reach a higher level, going extra mile to get better in the gene pool also.

First, we are not talking about kids who do not play, we are talking about kids that ARE playing and whether the talent is there.

Second, let me prove how genetics works. Mahomes: dad played pro ball. McCaffery: dad played pro ball and mom was an athlete. Harrison Jr: dad played pro ball. Kelce: both brothers played pro ball. Bosa: long line of professional athletes.

My point? Having a parent(s) that was an athlete gives one an immediate genetic advantage and increases the likelihood of being an athlete. Sure, most pro’s kids are not going to go as far as their paren(s) did, but those kids will most likely play sports and will be really good at a young age simply because of genetics.

Now contrast that to parents who are not good athletes; let’s take Mark Zuckerberg. Unless he divorces his wife and marries a gold medal Olympian, his kids are not going to be very good at sports. Forget college or pros, they will struggle in little league!

So back to Burg…. Not going to give names because the board mod frowns upon that but will go through some of their roster:
- Kid #1: grandfather played pro football, dad played D1 football, older siblings playing college sports.
- Kid #2: dad was a successful college baseball player and was drafted by the Red Sox
- Kid #3: dad didn’t play at Burg but did play professional football
- Kid #4: dad was a good RB at Burg who started on team that beat IHS in the Tank for the first time
- Kid #5: dad played football, basketball, and baseball at Burg
* There are dozens of others on this team whose parents and/or relatives played ball at Burg! That’s just the tradition at Burg. I’ve seen decades of Burg football; have even played for Burg. This year’s roster is absolutely not a step down in talent. If anything, it’s an above average roster when it comes to talent!

Finally, you are just looking at w/l without considering how the team played: was the team prepared, how the players executed, etc. Everyone with an IQ above a fruit fly knew IHS was going to win that game unless they beat themselves.
But what we saw, mostly from the Burg O, is of great concern:
- One on the list was conditioning. Burg has never looked that out of shape going into game 1. Although not specific to the O, this falls squarely on the head coach.
- Two, same play calling mistakes from prior years leading to bad results. This goes to Rucker’s int. OC should have eased him into the passing game by giving him some simple reads. Instead, they had him scanning the field working through multiple reads while under pressure, and similar to last year, the result was not good. Btw, IHS OC did not do this to their QB. They eased him into the game. So again, Burg coaching problem.
- Three, clock management at the end of the first half when the game was 7-7 and Burg had the ball. That was atrocious, and anyone who knows anything about football could see that. Again, massive coaching mistake.
- Four, no halftime adjustments on the O. This has become a theme of Burg offense over the past 5 years. Constantly getting out-coached in the second half. Again, coaches are responsible for this.
- Five, no offensive identity. Again, a chronic problem that has not been fixed by the coaches. How many more years until this gets addressed?
- Six, historically Burg classes get better as they move through the system: example, average 8th grade teams typically are better as a varsity team. Why? Because of the quality of the high school coaches. With the current junior class, we are seeing the opposite happen. Again, a reflection of coaching.

Again, the loss is not the issue (hence why your scheduling argument does not hold up), the items listed above are, and all six are self-inflicted by poor preparation and coaching. Also, if you think the offensive coaching at Burg has been good, I’m not sure what else I can say. You may be the only person on earth, other than family members, who think the offensive coaching has been good. I promise you most at Burg do not believe the coaching has been good.

Man take a walk , have a smoke , try some meditation. The fact that you just can’t throw it up to Tanner Holden and win games is driving you to the edge of insanity. Burg isn’t some state power and no one is scared to play them.

Not stressed at all. As I’ve explained to you before, this is relaxing compared to the stresses of travel and work. No need for meditation but thanks for the advice.

Now back to your comments…

“No on is afraid to play the Burg.” I would really hope not. Anyone who plays a sport should never be afraid to compete, and if the thought of competing against another school causes such fear, sports are not for you. For that matter, much of life is not for you.

As for “toss the ball up to Holden”, that’s not how Burg won the state during those years. Sure, tossing it up to Holden worked against far inferior teams, but Burg beat top playoff teams and won the state due to a shutdown D.

After losing a number of those D players, Burg tried the “toss the ball up to Holden and Matthews” during the following season. That didn’t work out as well.

[RBH23]

You just explained everything I have been thinking all along here. Plus I have been taught a class in genetics , thank you for spelling out how deep all this runs in a football teams makeup. So now what are the solutions that your group will consider needs to happen with all these genetically gifted athletes going forward. I’m confident now that things will work out , especially with eye on the Coaching decisions. I appreciate your effort and break down of situation. Good Luck to the Pirates! For your all sakes I hope the Pirates go 9-1 this year.

“I have been taught a class in genetics.” Ugh!!

What should Burg do? It’s actually quite simple: benchmark schools that have won consistently in Ohio despite not having the best athletes. Two prime examples: Kirtland and Hilliard Davidson under Brian White.

Kirtland dominates despite rarely producing a D1 athlete. They put a running clock on Ironton in the state title even though Ironton had a roster full of D1 players and Kirtland had zero.

Brian White won two state titles and 5 regional titles at HD despite being outmanned by the big catholic schools and the other D1 powerhouse public schools. Watching his teams play was like watching Ed Miller teams, which makes sense given White played for Ed. Definitely bring him to town just to consult on the best way forward for Burg football.

This is not rocket science, it’s high school football. Burg has enough talent as is evident in all sports they compete. But the current scheme does not fit with their talent and needs adjusted.

[Larry Fine]

As a previous poster stated, Burg kids play football. Ironton kids are obsessed with football. Check mate

[Prime Time]

Question! Whos running Wheelersburg football and making the decisions. I beleive the current Coachs are doing great,with what they have. You or your friends need to chill out and consider this is high school football and life is more than getting on here and basicly calling out the whole Burg football program.

[ValleyIndian3349]

Don't overthink this. McNicholas handles business with a 2-3 score win.

[Bird Dog]

Question! Whos running Wheelersburg football and making the decisions. I beleive the current Coachs are doing great,with what they have. You or your friends need to chill out and consider this is high school football and life is more than getting on here and basicly calling out the whole Burg football program.

Sounds like they've had a stressful week at the Dollar General and just taking it out on the program.

[RBH23]

As a previous poster stated, Burg kids play football. Ironton kids are obsessed with football. Check mate

Big problem with that theory. Holden, who you stated as the reason Burg’s O worked, didn’t even want to play football. It was his second sport.

In fact, if you knew anything about Burg, you would know that most of Burg’s best football players also played other sports. Again, that’s been the norm for a very long time and yet Burg still has two state titles and the 4th winningest record in the state!

Try again.

[RBH23]

Question! Whos running Wheelersburg football and making the decisions. I beleive the current Coachs are doing great,with what they have. You or your friends need to chill out and consider this is high school football and life is more than getting on here and basicly calling out the whole Burg football program.

LOL!!

First, I thought the purpose of this site was to talk FOOTBALL. If that’s not the case, do you want to discuss the July PCE inflation report that was released today, and how said report will influence the fed’s decision on rate cuts going forward? I’m heavy into bonds with the anticipation of these cuts, so any thoughts on the matter would be appreciated.

Better yet, what is your opinion on Intel? Nvidia seems overpriced even though the company continues to perform. Not sure I want to pay a premium for this stock and was thinking Intel may be a more interesting option. Don’t like to speculate but looking for some underpriced options in the AI space; very hard to find.

Instead of talking about coaching at Burg, we can discuss economics and finance. Does that make you happy?