WK3 Jackson @ Wheelersburg

[Paulcrew]

I think this is a 21-17 type game. I think it will come down to which teams line of scrimmage can win. the past two weeks I saw both burg and jackson give up a bit in the fourth quarter. I believe this one stays close and I think it will be a fast moving game.
I don’t feel it’s a must win for either team but I do feel that Burg is endanger of losing the team if they get beat badly again this week at home.
burg QB vs Nolan Johnson. one of these teams offensive LOS is gonna make one of those two kids the star of the game

[Blitz]

You can't coach a milk cow to win the Kentucky derby.

I like that. if you dont have the talent and dont recruit the talent then you arent going to be able to beat and in the case of week 1&2 even compete. Burg needs to rethink what they are doing schedule wise. no reason to schedule teams you have no chance of beating or even competing against.

There’s multiple flaws in this statement but one of the biggest is around “can’t beat teams with better talent.” I agree if you take the top D1 or D2 schools against D5 and smaller schools. Numbers and talent become issues for competing.

But that said, take a look at the top 25 ranked Ohio teams. ML and Kirtland are both on this list despite not having anywhere near the talent as other listed teams. In fact, ML and Kirtland have nothing like Ironton’s talent, but Ironton would struggle against these two teams.

Also, consider this past weekend, Coldwater went to Clinton Massie and gave them a massive butt kicking. This despite CM being the larger, more talented school; CM even gets transfers from local D1/D2 schools. Yet Coldwater beat them like a rented mule.

So what magic do these schools have to compete against far more talented teams? Why are they able to do what Burg somehow can’t? Even more important, why was Hilliard Davidson able to win in D1 using Burg’s old school style of play despite being at a massive talent disadvantage? And why does Burg avoid this style of play even though it has been proven over and over to work?

Finally, this Burg team is not as devoid of talent as many claim; I’ve seen Burg teams with much less. This junior class had been very successful coming up the ranks and was considered Burg’s next best class, yet here they are struggling. Again, what went wrong?

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports ... 048073007/

I 100% agree with this except the last paragraph. Current junior class had success in jr. high due to early pubescent growth. they are the same size and speed now and no longer compete with top tier talent much less dominate. I have never been sold on jr. high success or the talent of this junior class. The vast majority of the size comes from the senior class. Burg is going to struggle the next 3-4 years with top tier teams due to lack of size and speed.

[Sonny Weaver]

You can't coach a milk cow to win the Kentucky derby.

I like that. if you dont have the talent and dont recruit the talent then you arent going to be able to beat and in the case of week 1&2 even compete. Burg needs to rethink what they are doing schedule wise. no reason to schedule teams you have no chance of beating or even competing against.

Ironton is in the same region, no sense in ducking them when you got to potentially play them in the playoffs. Same thing for HP. You get better playing better competition. A 30 point loss to Ironton is better than a 30 point win vs Chesapeake, Greenup Co, South Point etc.

As far as McNick, Burg had beat them the last 2 years coming into this season. McNick simply has a better team this year, they'll be regional and potentially state contenders.

The schedule is fine, they already have enough cupcake games in SOC.

[fbnut]

I like that. if you dont have the talent and dont recruit the talent then you arent going to be able to beat and in the case of week 1&2 even compete. Burg needs to rethink what they are doing schedule wise. no reason to schedule teams you have no chance of beating or even competing against.

There’s multiple flaws in this statement but one of the biggest is around “can’t beat teams with better talent.” I agree if you take the top D1 or D2 schools against D5 and smaller schools. Numbers and talent become issues for competing.

But that said, take a look at the top 25 ranked Ohio teams. ML and Kirtland are both on this list despite not having anywhere near the talent as other listed teams. In fact, ML and Kirtland have nothing like Ironton’s talent, but Ironton would struggle against these two teams.

Also, consider this past weekend, Coldwater went to Clinton Massie and gave them a massive butt kicking. This despite CM being the larger, more talented school; CM even gets transfers from local D1/D2 schools. Yet Coldwater beat them like a rented mule.

So what magic do these schools have to compete against far more talented teams? Why are they able to do what Burg somehow can’t? Even more important, why was Hilliard Davidson able to win in D1 using Burg’s old school style of play despite being at a massive talent disadvantage? And why does Burg avoid this style of play even though it has been proven over and over to work?

Finally, this Burg team is not as devoid of talent as many claim; I’ve seen Burg teams with much less. This junior class had been very successful coming up the ranks and was considered Burg’s next best class, yet here they are struggling. Again, what went wrong?

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports ... 048073007/

I 100% agree with this except the last paragraph. Current junior class had success in jr. high due to early pubescent growth. they are the same size and speed now and no longer compete with top tier talent much less dominate. I have never been sold on jr. high success or the talent of this junior class. The vast majority of the size comes from the senior class. Burg is going to struggle the next 3-4 years with top tier teams due to lack of size and speed.

agree, the jr class peaked in jr high

[wobycat]

You can't coach a milk cow to win the Kentucky derby.

I like that. if you dont have the talent and dont recruit the talent then you arent going to be able to beat and in the case of week 1&2 even compete. Burg needs to rethink what they are doing schedule wise. no reason to schedule teams you have no chance of beating or even competing against.

There’s multiple flaws in this statement but one of the biggest is around “can’t beat teams with better talent.” I agree if you take the top D1 or D2 schools against D5 and smaller schools. Numbers and talent become issues for competing.

But that said, take a look at the top 25 ranked Ohio teams. ML and Kirtland are both on this list despite not having anywhere near the talent as other listed teams. In fact, ML and Kirtland have nothing like Ironton’s talent, but Ironton would struggle against these two teams.

Also, consider this past weekend, Coldwater went to Clinton Massie and gave them a massive butt kicking. This despite CM being the larger, more talented school; CM even gets transfers from local D1/D2 schools. Yet Coldwater beat them like a rented mule.

So what magic do these schools have to compete against far more talented teams? Why are they able to do what Burg somehow can’t? Even more important, why was Hilliard Davidson able to win in D1 using Burg’s old school style of play despite being at a massive talent disadvantage? And why does Burg avoid this style of play even though it has been proven over and over to work?

Finally, this Burg team is not as devoid of talent as many claim; I’ve seen Burg teams with much less. This junior class had been very successful coming up the ranks and was considered Burg’s next best class, yet here they are struggling. Again, what went wrong?

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports ... 048073007/

Does cold water, Marion local , and kirtland have soccer? Just curious. Burg has some athletes on the soccer team that could help them in places.

That area is 100% not like our area. especially socioeconomic status.

[fbnut]

You can't coach a milk cow to win the Kentucky derby.

I like that. if you dont have the talent and dont recruit the talent then you arent going to be able to beat and in the case of week 1&2 even compete. Burg needs to rethink what they are doing schedule wise. no reason to schedule teams you have no chance of beating or even competing against.

Ironton is in the same region, no sense in ducking them when you got to potentially play them in the playoffs. Same thing for HP. You get better playing better competition. A 30 point loss to Ironton is better than a 30 point win vs Chesapeake, Greenup Co, South Point etc.

As far as McNick, Burg had beat them the last 2 years coming into this season. McNick simply has a better team this year, they'll be regional and potentially state contenders.

The schedule is fine, they already have enough cupcake games in SOC.

would rather lose to ironton and prep once a season rather than twice.

[fbnut]

I like that. if you dont have the talent and dont recruit the talent then you arent going to be able to beat and in the case of week 1&2 even compete. Burg needs to rethink what they are doing schedule wise. no reason to schedule teams you have no chance of beating or even competing against.

There’s multiple flaws in this statement but one of the biggest is around “can’t beat teams with better talent.” I agree if you take the top D1 or D2 schools against D5 and smaller schools. Numbers and talent become issues for competing.

But that said, take a look at the top 25 ranked Ohio teams. ML and Kirtland are both on this list despite not having anywhere near the talent as other listed teams. In fact, ML and Kirtland have nothing like Ironton’s talent, but Ironton would struggle against these two teams.

Also, consider this past weekend, Coldwater went to Clinton Massie and gave them a massive butt kicking. This despite CM being the larger, more talented school; CM even gets transfers from local D1/D2 schools. Yet Coldwater beat them like a rented mule.

So what magic do these schools have to compete against far more talented teams? Why are they able to do what Burg somehow can’t? Even more important, why was Hilliard Davidson able to win in D1 using Burg’s old school style of play despite being at a massive talent disadvantage? And why does Burg avoid this style of play even though it has been proven over and over to work?

Finally, this Burg team is not as devoid of talent as many claim; I’ve seen Burg teams with much less. This junior class had been very successful coming up the ranks and was considered Burg’s next best class, yet here they are struggling. Again, what went wrong?

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports ... 048073007/

Does cold water, Marion local , and kirtland have soccer? Just curious. Burg has some athletes on the soccer team that could help them in places.

That area is 100% not like our area. especially socioeconomic status.

do they have wrestling?

[RBH23]

I like that. if you dont have the talent and dont recruit the talent then you arent going to be able to beat and in the case of week 1&2 even compete. Burg needs to rethink what they are doing schedule wise. no reason to schedule teams you have no chance of beating or even competing against.

There’s multiple flaws in this statement but one of the biggest is around “can’t beat teams with better talent.” I agree if you take the top D1 or D2 schools against D5 and smaller schools. Numbers and talent become issues for competing.

But that said, take a look at the top 25 ranked Ohio teams. ML and Kirtland are both on this list despite not having anywhere near the talent as other listed teams. In fact, ML and Kirtland have nothing like Ironton’s talent, but Ironton would struggle against these two teams.

Also, consider this past weekend, Coldwater went to Clinton Massie and gave them a massive butt kicking. This despite CM being the larger, more talented school; CM even gets transfers from local D1/D2 schools. Yet Coldwater beat them like a rented mule.

So what magic do these schools have to compete against far more talented teams? Why are they able to do what Burg somehow can’t? Even more important, why was Hilliard Davidson able to win in D1 using Burg’s old school style of play despite being at a massive talent disadvantage? And why does Burg avoid this style of play even though it has been proven over and over to work?

Finally, this Burg team is not as devoid of talent as many claim; I’ve seen Burg teams with much less. This junior class had been very successful coming up the ranks and was considered Burg’s next best class, yet here they are struggling. Again, what went wrong?

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports ... 048073007/

Does cold water, Marion local , and kirtland have soccer? Just curious. Burg has some athletes on the soccer team that could help them in places.

That area is 100% not like our area. especially socioeconomic status.

Kirtland does. Not sure about the MAC schools.

So now we are back to economics. If that’s the key, what happened to Hilliard Davidson once Brian White retired? Their economics didn’t change. Also, why did Kirtland fail to win even one playoff game before their current coach? No change in economics.
Or take Burg, how did they go from a subpar team pre-Miller to a dominant team post Miller? Economics did not change in Burg, nor did the talent.

[Sonny Weaver]

I like that. if you dont have the talent and dont recruit the talent then you arent going to be able to beat and in the case of week 1&2 even compete. Burg needs to rethink what they are doing schedule wise. no reason to schedule teams you have no chance of beating or even competing against.

Ironton is in the same region, no sense in ducking them when you got to potentially play them in the playoffs. Same thing for HP. You get better playing better competition. A 30 point loss to Ironton is better than a 30 point win vs Chesapeake, Greenup Co, South Point etc.

As far as McNick, Burg had beat them the last 2 years coming into this season. McNick simply has a better team this year, they'll be regional and potentially state contenders.

The schedule is fine, they already have enough cupcake games in SOC.

would rather lose to ironton and prep once a season rather than twice.

that's weak mindedness. Mentally strong programs won't duck competition. That's the reason the schedule at Burg looks the way it does, playing scrubs doesn't make you any better -- like I said, there's plenty of those types of teams in conference.

Honestly, you can say the same for Ironton for that matter, they're at least attempting to instill a mentally strong program by leaving the OVC and playing better competition.

[Jeaux Burreaux]

I like that. if you dont have the talent and dont recruit the talent then you arent going to be able to beat and in the case of week 1&2 even compete. Burg needs to rethink what they are doing schedule wise. no reason to schedule teams you have no chance of beating or even competing against.

There’s multiple flaws in this statement but one of the biggest is around “can’t beat teams with better talent.” I agree if you take the top D1 or D2 schools against D5 and smaller schools. Numbers and talent become issues for competing.

But that said, take a look at the top 25 ranked Ohio teams. ML and Kirtland are both on this list despite not having anywhere near the talent as other listed teams. In fact, ML and Kirtland have nothing like Ironton’s talent, but Ironton would struggle against these two teams.

Also, consider this past weekend, Coldwater went to Clinton Massie and gave them a massive butt kicking. This despite CM being the larger, more talented school; CM even gets transfers from local D1/D2 schools. Yet Coldwater beat them like a rented mule.

So what magic do these schools have to compete against far more talented teams? Why are they able to do what Burg somehow can’t? Even more important, why was Hilliard Davidson able to win in D1 using Burg’s old school style of play despite being at a massive talent disadvantage? And why does Burg avoid this style of play even though it has been proven over and over to work?

Finally, this Burg team is not as devoid of talent as many claim; I’ve seen Burg teams with much less. This junior class had been very successful coming up the ranks and was considered Burg’s next best class, yet here they are struggling. Again, what went wrong?

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports ... 048073007/

Does cold water, Marion local , and kirtland have soccer? Just curious. Burg has some athletes on the soccer team that could help them in places.

That area is 100% not like our area. especially socioeconomic status.

No soccer for those programs. I believe some have wrestling but not all

[fbnut]

Ironton is in the same region, no sense in ducking them when you got to potentially play them in the playoffs. Same thing for HP. You get better playing better competition. A 30 point loss to Ironton is better than a 30 point win vs Chesapeake, Greenup Co, South Point etc.

As far as McNick, Burg had beat them the last 2 years coming into this season. McNick simply has a better team this year, they'll be regional and potentially state contenders.

The schedule is fine, they already have enough cupcake games in SOC.

would rather lose to ironton and prep once a season rather than twice.

that's weak mindedness. Mentally strong programs won't duck competition. That's the reason the schedule at Burg looks the way it does, playing scrubs doesn't make you any better -- like I said, there's plenty of those types of teams in conference.

Honestly, you can say the same for Ironton for that matter, they're at least attempting to instill a mentally strong program by leaving the OVC and playing better competition.

first off ironton was asked to leave the OVC. the mentally strong program they are attempting to build is based mostly on recruiting, nothing else. getting a running clock put on you at home in the opener does nothing for you but destroy your confidence and the enthusiasm in your program. there are ky teams burg could schedule that would be good hard fought physical games that burg could at least compete, win and improve

[Jawnjkang98]

would rather lose to ironton and prep once a season rather than twice.

that's weak mindedness. Mentally strong programs won't duck competition. That's the reason the schedule at Burg looks the way it does, playing scrubs doesn't make you any better -- like I said, there's plenty of those types of teams in conference.

Honestly, you can say the same for Ironton for that matter, they're at least attempting to instill a mentally strong program by leaving the OVC and playing better competition.

first off ironton was asked to leave the OVC. the mentally strong program they are attempting to build is based mostly on recruiting, nothing else. getting a running clock put on you at home in the opener does nothing for you but destroy your confidence and the enthusiasm in your program. there are ky teams burg could schedule that would be good hard fought physical games that burg could at least compete, win and improve

The "superior coaching & culture" programs fanbase wants to duck their own region.

Lil sis FOREVER!!!

[a_c_m]

that's weak mindedness. Mentally strong programs won't duck competition. That's the reason the schedule at Burg looks the way it does, playing scrubs doesn't make you any better -- like I said, there's plenty of those types of teams in conference.

Honestly, you can say the same for Ironton for that matter, they're at least attempting to instill a mentally strong program by leaving the OVC and playing better competition.

first off ironton was asked to leave the OVC. the mentally strong program they are attempting to build is based mostly on recruiting, nothing else. getting a running clock put on you at home in the opener does nothing for you but destroy your confidence and the enthusiasm in your program. there are ky teams burg could schedule that would be good hard fought physical games that burg could at least compete, win and improve

The "superior coaching & culture" programs fanbase wants to duck their own region.

Lil sis FOREVER!!!

Jawnjkang98 you have wore the "superior coaching and culture" out in a negative way. Let's move on to something else.

[Jawnjkang98]

first off ironton was asked to leave the OVC. the mentally strong program they are attempting to build is based mostly on recruiting, nothing else. getting a running clock put on you at home in the opener does nothing for you but destroy your confidence and the enthusiasm in your program. there are ky teams burg could schedule that would be good hard fought physical games that burg could at least compete, win and improve

The "superior coaching & culture" programs fanbase wants to duck their own region.

Lil sis FOREVER!!!

Jawnjkang98 you have wore the "superior coaching and culture" out in a negative way. Let's move on to something else.

In sports when ya yap about ya superiority and then get back to back mercy rules layed in ya lap ya get to hear about it. Boo Hoo!!

[Injuneer]

See Jackson winning this one. Still unsure on this Burg team. They seem young and I'm just not high on them. I don't think they win the SOC this year. I know they are playing tough teams right now, but this burg team just doesn't seem all that intimidating to me.

[RBH23]

first off ironton was asked to leave the OVC. the mentally strong program they are attempting to build is based mostly on recruiting, nothing else. getting a running clock put on you at home in the opener does nothing for you but destroy your confidence and the enthusiasm in your program. there are ky teams burg could schedule that would be good hard fought physical games that burg could at least compete, win and improve

The "superior coaching & culture" programs fanbase wants to duck their own region.

Lil sis FOREVER!!!

Jawnjkang98 you have wore the "superior coaching and culture" out in a negative way. Let's move on to something else.

Gotta take TigerBob’s advice and just put this guy on “Foe.”

[RBH23]

Ironton is in the same region, no sense in ducking them when you got to potentially play them in the playoffs. Same thing for HP. You get better playing better competition. A 30 point loss to Ironton is better than a 30 point win vs Chesapeake, Greenup Co, South Point etc.

As far as McNick, Burg had beat them the last 2 years coming into this season. McNick simply has a better team this year, they'll be regional and potentially state contenders.

The schedule is fine, they already have enough cupcake games in SOC.

would rather lose to ironton and prep once a season rather than twice.

that's weak mindedness. Mentally strong programs won't duck competition. That's the reason the schedule at Burg looks the way it does, playing scrubs doesn't make you any better -- like I said, there's plenty of those types of teams in conference.

Honestly, you can say the same for Ironton for that matter, they're at least attempting to instill a mentally strong program by leaving the OVC and playing better competition.

Absolutely agree.

I’d rather figure out how to beat those teams despite the talent discrepancy. The Versialles and Kirtlands of the world can do it, so why not Wheelersburg?

[Jawnjkang98]

The "superior coaching & culture" programs fanbase wants to duck their own region.

Lil sis FOREVER!!!

Jawnjkang98 you have wore the "superior coaching and culture" out in a negative way. Let's move on to something else.

Gotta take TigerBob’s advice and just put this guy on “Foe.”

OR.... LMAO OR.... do NOT yap about ya "superior coaching and culture" when ya program can only beat up on soc school of the blind programs?

Then it won't come back to bite ya when ya get mercy ruled in back to back weeks. Lmao

[Jawnjkang98]

would rather lose to ironton and prep once a season rather than twice.

that's weak mindedness. Mentally strong programs won't duck competition. That's the reason the schedule at Burg looks the way it does, playing scrubs doesn't make you any better -- like I said, there's plenty of those types of teams in conference.

Honestly, you can say the same for Ironton for that matter, they're at least attempting to instill a mentally strong program by leaving the OVC and playing better competition.

Absolutely agree.

I’d rather figure out how to beat those teams despite the talent discrepancy. The Versialles and Kirtlands of the world can do it, so why not Wheelersburg?

Basically what both of these burg fans are saying is IRONTON has the superior coaching and culture and burg should be more like them.

[CuckooNest]

There’s multiple flaws in this statement but one of the biggest is around “can’t beat teams with better talent.” I agree if you take the top D1 or D2 schools against D5 and smaller schools. Numbers and talent become issues for competing.

But that said, take a look at the top 25 ranked Ohio teams. ML and Kirtland are both on this list despite not having anywhere near the talent as other listed teams. In fact, ML and Kirtland have nothing like Ironton’s talent, but Ironton would struggle against these two teams.

Also, consider this past weekend, Coldwater went to Clinton Massie and gave them a massive butt kicking. This despite CM being the larger, more talented school; CM even gets transfers from local D1/D2 schools. Yet Coldwater beat them like a rented mule.

So what magic do these schools have to compete against far more talented teams? Why are they able to do what Burg somehow can’t? Even more important, why was Hilliard Davidson able to win in D1 using Burg’s old school style of play despite being at a massive talent disadvantage? And why does Burg avoid this style of play even though it has been proven over and over to work?

Finally, this Burg team is not as devoid of talent as many claim; I’ve seen Burg teams with much less. This junior class had been very successful coming up the ranks and was considered Burg’s next best class, yet here they are struggling. Again, what went wrong?

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports ... 048073007/

I 100% agree with this except the last paragraph. Current junior class had success in jr. high due to early pubescent growth. they are the same size and speed now and no longer compete with top tier talent much less dominate. I have never been sold on jr. high success or the talent of this junior class. The vast majority of the size comes from the senior class. Burg is going to struggle the next 3-4 years with top tier teams due to lack of size and speed.

agree, the jr class peaked in jr high

Maybe, but they’re still 1-2 years older than everyone.

Have the area coaching staffs have caught up? For years Wheelersburg has had better coaching than almost anyone locally.