Logan vs Pickerington Central

[Thanos]

Updates?

[Thanos]

39-0 at half.

[thirtyonetrap]

39-0 at half.

OUCH!

[Thanos]

54-0 in the fourth.

[cbolt]

Pretty much what everybody expected. Central looked like a college team. Anybody know what happened to Tootle? Looked like number 22 gave him a cheap shot on the sideline, I could hear Logan coaches screaming kick him out. I could see him moving alright on the sideline so guessing concussion?

[formerfcfan]

I could hear Logan coaches screaming kick him out.

Pretty good metaphor why Logan football isn’t going to accomplish anything in the OCC.

[9.5 INCHES]

Lol. It's funny when Logan was winning many years ago everybody was saying " well why don't Logan get in the OCC and get out of that little weak league so you can play teams your own size" How times have changed! Should they try again to get in the TVC?

[formerfcfan]

Lol. It's funny when Logan was winning many years ago everybody was saying " well why don't Logan get in the OCC and get out of that little weak league so you can play teams your own size" How times have changed! Should they try again to get in the TVC?

Logan hires an AD that did not have a great reputation in Central Ohio from their previous stops, said AD signs Logan up for the OCC despite the fact their previous job was at a school that literally left the OCC for competitiveness reasons, leaves after one year to take the job at the school that would running clock Logan playing 10 versus 11 wire-to-wire.

Curious if Logan made that person pay General Admission tonight!

[SugarDaddy]

You gotta love the people in charge who know nothing about hiring a coach, who are easily talked into a dominate league and expect hearts and flowers. And it’s only beginning,lol

[Thanos]

The coach? What you mean?

[pfloyd]

Pick Central 54
Logan 0 a final


Logan:

First Downs: 2
Rush Yards.: 28 attempts / 17 yds
Passing Yards: 8 yds

Total Yards : 25 total yds of offense

Rushing ... Logan had 10 rushers/ only 3 combined for positive yrds led by Carson Tootle's 4 attempts for 16 yds ... 7 of the rushers combined for -11 yds... averaged less than 1 yds per attempt ...

Passing ... Tootle 3/5 for 8 yds



Pickerington Central :

First Downs : 17
Rush Yards : 30 attempts/ 323 yds
Passing Yards: 176 yds

Total Yards : 499 yds of offense

... 5 of the Pick Central TD's were from 20+ yds out ... 2 of the Tigers' first 3 offensive plays went for scores (60 yd McCoy run & 31 yd pass from Williams to Bryce Wells ... PC had this one a running clock the entire 2nd half of play ...

[formerfcfan]

You gotta love the people in charge who know nothing about hiring a coach, who are easily talked into a dominate league and expect hearts and flowers. And it’s only beginning,lol

The coach? What you mean?

The coach isn’t why this game played the way it did. However, the coach(ing staff) does matter as it relates to Logan’s prospects.

I have to agree with where SugarDaddy is going. Having a football program in the OCC and not letting it get ground into fine sand requires a top-down overhaul where the entire focus has to be acclimating to the mores of competition within the OCC.

That requires experience and knowledge. Eddy’s a fine coach for your typical run of the mill mid-sized SEO program where the level of competition standing between you and a tangible goal (league title or playoff wins) is not nearly as daunting. Neither Gallia nor P South provide the level of transferrable experience (for that matter, exposure to firm high-enrollment programs as opponents) toward keeping the smallest school in the OCC’s football program above water.

It’s a bigger, deeper, faster and more physical level of football. 50% of that is what you have in the building and the other half is what the coaching staff can create. You either get a coach (with a staff) that fully grasps what that is supposed to look like, because they’ve done it before… or you tell the coach to start building up social capital in the Columbus-area coaching circles, pick some brains, and hit some clinics so that some information be gleaned.

Having talked to two different head coaches currently in the OCC-Buckeye, both with different degrees of previous head coaching experience within the OCC, they can tell you it is a relentless 365-day job that can eat your soul. Because the room for error, the room for imperfections and shortcomings is non-existent. Especially if you’re at a smaller school or are at a school where there are issues keeping the numbers apace of everyone else… both of which apply to Logan.

[Barber1973]

If I ain't mistaken isn't the freshman undefeated so far in occ play. Don't know what that means when they are varsity but maybe they keep working maybe in a couple years they be competive. Assuming the class ahead if em and behind em are decent

[VetteMan]

You gotta love the people in charge who know nothing about hiring a coach, who are easily talked into a dominate league and expect hearts and flowers. And it’s only beginning,lol

The coach? What you mean?

The coach isn’t why this game played the way it did. However, the coach(ing staff) does matter as it relates to Logan’s prospects.

I have to agree with where SugarDaddy is going. Having a football program in the OCC and not letting it get ground into fine sand requires a top-down overhaul where the entire focus has to be acclimating to the mores of competition within the OCC.

That requires experience and knowledge. Eddy’s a fine coach for your typical run of the mill mid-sized SEO program where the level of competition standing between you and a tangible goal (league title or playoff wins) is not nearly as daunting. Neither Gallia nor P South provide the level of transferrable experience (for that matter, exposure to firm high-enrollment programs as opponents) toward keeping the smallest school in the OCC’s football program above water.

It’s a bigger, deeper, faster and more physical level of football. 50% of that is what you have in the building and the other half is what the coaching staff can create. You either get a coach (with a staff) that fully grasps what that is supposed to look like, because they’ve done it before… or you tell the coach to start building up social capital in the Columbus-area coaching circles, pick some brains, and hit some clinics so that some information be gleaned.

Having talked to two different head coaches currently in the OCC-Buckeye, both with different degrees of previous head coaching experience within the OCC, they can tell you it is a relentless 365-day job that can eat your soul. Because the room for error, the room for imperfections and shortcomings is non-existent. Especially if you’re at a smaller school or are at a school where there are issues keeping the numbers apace of everyone else… both of which apply to Logan.

A very good insightful post.

[Logangrad]

If I ain't mistaken isn't the freshman undefeated so far in occ play. Don't know what that means when they are varsity but maybe they keep working maybe in a couple years they be competive. Assuming the class ahead if em and behind em are decent

Hard to gage a freshman team when most of the rosters they will face probably dont have the same level of skill set. Most talented freshmen would be moved up to the Varsity in the OCC i would think. Pick Central's 7/8 teams beat Logan by like 50 each game and the Varsity lost 54-0 but the Freshmen win 8-7 against a team who hadnt won a game this season yet. So its really hard to guess how the future plays out. That Logan team does have some talent for sure tho. Hard nose QB and he played some Varsity mins the night before against PC and good RBs and some good defensive players. I hope they can really develop.

[Logangrad]

You gotta love the people in charge who know nothing about hiring a coach, who are easily talked into a dominate league and expect hearts and flowers. And it’s only beginning,lol

The coach? What you mean?

The coach isn’t why this game played the way it did. However, the coach(ing staff) does matter as it relates to Logan’s prospects.

I have to agree with where SugarDaddy is going. Having a football program in the OCC and not letting it get ground into fine sand requires a top-down overhaul where the entire focus has to be acclimating to the mores of competition within the OCC.

That requires experience and knowledge. Eddy’s a fine coach for your typical run of the mill mid-sized SEO program where the level of competition standing between you and a tangible goal (league title or playoff wins) is not nearly as daunting. Neither Gallia nor P South provide the level of transferrable experience (for that matter, exposure to firm high-enrollment programs as opponents) toward keeping the smallest school in the OCC’s football program above water.

It’s a bigger, deeper, faster and more physical level of football. 50% of that is what you have in the building and the other half is what the coaching staff can create. You either get a coach (with a staff) that fully grasps what that is supposed to look like, because they’ve done it before… or you tell the coach to start building up social capital in the Columbus-area coaching circles, pick some brains, and hit some clinics so that some information be gleaned.

Having talked to two different head coaches currently in the OCC-Buckeye, both with different degrees of previous head coaching experience within the OCC, they can tell you it is a relentless 365-day job that can eat your soul. Because the room for error, the room for imperfections and shortcomings is non-existent. Especially if you’re at a smaller school or are at a school where there are issues keeping the numbers apace of everyone else… both of which apply to Logan.

A very good insightful post.

Just curious, but it sounds as if you are implying Logan would need a staff overhaul? Most of their staff are teachers who have dedicated countless years to the program as former players and coaches. So they should just fire what; 10 teachers who coach and hope they can find 10 replacements? In this day and age thats just not happening nor should it. Bc they would not open up 10 teaching jobs to find new staff nor are you going to find 10 volunteer coaches to join the staff. Youre not going to find a more dedicated staff than what Logan has had. Ever. Sometimes its about the Jimmy and Joes and not the X's and O's. Logan wasnt outcoached Friday they were simply out matched. PC two best players didnt even play. David didnt fall in line to Goliath. Goliath just did what he should do.

[SugarDaddy]

Let me clear up the confusion. Logan is in a league they have no business being in, for many ,but especially ,competitive reasons. Watch the Newark game as it will be between teams fighting for the basement. Because of a weak AD( and lazy), Logan bought into a moron decision to join the OCC. They have doomed Logan athletes to years of frustration and lack of success. A very poor situation from a very poor decision.

My issue is not with THE coaches - they are mostly teachers and only following what the Head Coach wants done. My issue is with a Head Coach who showed an undistinguished career everywhere he has been. He had athletes at Gallia and not much to show for it. Had numbers and good situation at South but little to show there. He immediately showed little at Logan even before they jumped to the OCC where they will be brutalized week after week. He will get his butt kicked because he has no Jimmies and Joes and also because his Xs and Os are a joke. He will continue to underperform as he is overmatched. Logan could go independent and still have a coach problem. But that’s my opinion, well held, as a former coach. I would look forward to playing this guys teams.

Mark my words, Logan has to decide how many years they are going to allow their athletes to get their brains kicked in. But ultimately, they must evaluate how long they let a questionable coach run their program, even against lesser competition.

Good luck to the Chiefs. Going to need it.

And now, onward and “welcome” to the OCC. lol

[formerfcfan]

Just curious, but it sounds as if you are implying Logan would need a staff overhaul? Most of their staff are teachers who have dedicated countless years to the program as former players and coaches. So they should just fire what; 10 teachers who coach and hope they can find 10 replacements? In this day and age thats just not happening nor should it. Bc they would not open up 10 teaching jobs to find new staff nor are you going to find 10 volunteer coaches to join the staff. Youre not going to find a more dedicated staff than what Logan has had. Ever. Sometimes its about the Jimmy and Joes and not the X's and O's. Logan wasnt outcoached Friday they were simply out matched. PC two best players didnt even play. David didnt fall in line to Goliath. Goliath just did what he should do.

When I say overhaul, I'm saying that the program needs both a mandate that identifies what stands between now and whatever tangible, realistic aspiration Logan football has in the OCC as well as a roadmap of what it takes to get there. It would probably be helpful if a baseline existed, first. Is a 3-4/4-3 program in OCC play a reasonable long-term goal? To be competitive and have something to show for it? Like, if you ask me, I don't see anything wrong with that middle-of-the-pack profile with the desire to not be a cellar-dweller.

I understand where you come from, and respect it. My comment is not in the spirit that the staff across the board needs rolled. A handful of schools in this side of the OCC are similar; they have a roster of well-intended, dedicated coaches who care about their program and many of them teach. I know many where the change at the top doesn't affect their ability to retain their employment with the district. And you are correct that the school isn't in a position to revolving-door those slate of positions.

With that in mind, all of the same reasons you're citing on the fragility of making changes (talent acquisition and retention, e.g. teaching positions and staff formation) are things that do matter as it relates to having a football program in the OCC. I know that it seems ludicrous to think of high school sports as some lofty, high-stake endeavor where the consciousness is placed toward how much you win and how you're perceived, but in the OCC that is the lay of the land.

I'd feel less convicted on this if not for the exposure I have to changes that Logan's opponents in the OCC have made in recent years.

• When Lancaster was tasked with replacing Rob Carpenter a few years ago, the Gales evaluated where they were at with football competitiveness. They identified left and right the profile of the school's student population, and where the opportunities and potential threats existed. They had a healthy yield of applicants and some well-known coaches. They picked Bryan Schoonover from Groveport, because they identified G-M as being very similar to them in their profile.
  
  One of the first changes Schoonover implemented at Lancaster was a restructuring of the farm system. No longer are there separate squads for Ewing and Sherman JH. It's just one consolidated JH program. The fact that it results in less minutes to go around for 12 and 13 year olds, the fact that the Ewing-Sherman game is no more... no one liked those concessions. The trade-off is that their coaches form into more unified staffs (in that the composite classes are completely on the same page and have the same dynamics) who can provide more instruction to positional groupings. Those positional groupings get formed better for high school purposes, because instead of having, say, two groups of seven big boys in a class practicing separate and playing separate, they now get the composite of fourteen big boys being in the same break-off drills with four line coaches instead of 2 teams each with 7 big boys and 2 coaches. And the thinking, too, is that it's an arms race. Because whether or not the JH program needs to be less cut-throat or more fun or better or whatever, the coaches and braintrust do recognize that when those kids later play on Friday night the heat is cranked up. Short-term pain for long-term gain. Or survival.
  
  After Mark Baker's departure from Teays Valley, the Vikings were one year away from joining the OCC. The Vikes had some really good applicants, too. Some surprising ones! TV went out and hired a coach who obviously is not going to be a long-term coach. Why would they do this? Well, that coach is Brian Cross -- who is indisputably a top-flight veteran coach with two decades of OCC experience. Someone who knows the urgency it requires to not be roadkill in the OCC. What being a coach in the OCC confers, what the expectations are. Now, that level of expectation may not apply neatly to Teays in the OCC, but he knows the expectations other programs have. He knows there's a mandate all of his opponents are under. He knows how hard every other program is, because he helped write the guide on how to win the OCC in the beginning.

All of these things, I understand where it can be difficult for Logan to commit to. The OCC is literally a super-conference formed around concentric population growth, where capital and consciousness dictates the performance of football. For that matter, all major high school sports. Logan, because of where it is located, might not get the volume of applications and same quality of candidate pool (in terms of experience) that places like Canal Winchester or Lancaster would. It doesn't mean that they wouldn't get any, however. At the same time, it is unrealistic and possibly very risk-inducive for Logan to not evaluate what it takes to ensure its previously para-independent rural poor D2 can survive with general thrive in an OCC where everyone else is saying "Coffee is for closers."

[SugarDaddy]

Don’t know Schoonover, but I do know Cross. Played at Warren Western Reserve and coached power programs at Grove City and Canton McKinley. Member of the coaches Hall of Fame. Trust me, he ain’t getting outcoached,lol.

Many OCC schools do involve their HC when hiring assistant coaches . Hard to do at Logan, but larger schools with bigger enrollments have teacher openings every year where they can hire teachers/coaches in those openings. Tremendous advantage.

However, Brian is older, has some health issues and won’t be around for a long term, but gets TV off on good footing which will be a challenge for them.

Logan now moves from playing N-Y, Warren Local to Pickerington , Reynoldsburg, Lancaster,etc. Night and day. This was not well thought out. Independent looks much better.

[Pol pot]

OCCwas a horrible horrible move. However don’t blame the one year wonder of an AD. That decision starts at the top and works down. None of this is what was best for the kids in any sport.