make the switch please, 8-0 Athens v 7-1 Ironton, 0-8 Gallia v 0-8 River Valley

[BlizzardMan]

Wellston has two league losses… Nelsonville York

Yes. My bad. NY is still undefeated in the league.

Which means that NY vs Athens will decide the league anyway. So what's the issue?

The issue is, Athens would have played one less league game, which would only give them a 1/2 game lead. NY would have beef that they should have to play the game because if Athens lost to RV (despite the odds of RV winning) it could mean NY would get a share of the championship as head to head doesn’t determine winners. Same records just means they split the league title. Is that so hard to understand?

[BlizzardMan]

Yes. My bad. NY is still undefeated in the league.

Which means that NY vs Athens will decide the league anyway. So what's the issue?

Do you understand how conferences work?

Apparently freakin not. Good grief!

[formerfcfan]

The issue is, Athens would have played one less league game, which would only give them a 1/2 game lead. NY would have beef that they should have to play the game

Bullseye.

I can think of some leagues where this happens in baseball: the ‘1A’ team has one league game outstanding versus a mid-pack team, is at 12-1 and ‘1B’ has a final league record of 12-2. ‘1A’ tries to get out of playing their final game claiming that it isn’t viable (no such thing) and ‘1B’ brings it to the league’s attention.

Also applicable to another situation where 1A has the outright clinched and they just painly refuse to play a make-up league baseball game.

[bullfrog93]

would be great to see this worked out. great for everyone

I made a similar post about Athens playing Ironton but it disappeared. This is a great idea though. We’d get to see just how good Ironton’s defense is against the unstoppable offense of Athens.

[HamPorter]

Forget leagues, rivalries, bus/work schedukes…make the change for the 2-3 extra people who might go watch!!

If the switch would happen; which it would never, the games would still be blowouts anyways. Probably 40+ point games

[Sggrad06]

Yes. My bad. NY is still undefeated in the league.

Which means that NY vs Athens will decide the league anyway. So what's the issue?

The issue is, Athens would have played one less league game, which would only give them a 1/2 game lead. NY would have beef that they should have to play the game because if Athens lost to RV (despite the odds of RV winning) it could mean NY would get a share of the championship as head to head doesn’t determine winners. Same records just means they split the league title. Is that so hard to understand?

So by this logic, south Gallia and beaver eastern will both have a beef with league standing regardless of who wins Friday? Both are undefeated in SOC play, but since green cancelled vs SG, due to injuries, they might as well share it??? Please don’t take this serious I am just trying to say that it doesn’t all add up. Whoever is number one in the standings at the end of the year is the winner of the league!

[formerfcfan]

…make the change for the 2-3 extra people who might go watch!!

Yep lol

This just reminds me of a bad side to 2020 and (lesser extents) 2021 — let’s have no stability in the schedules. Let’s have our opponent change right as we already have tape exchanged. Why do anything that conforms to the conveniences of having a conference in the first place?

[formerfcfan]

Which means that NY vs Athens will decide the league anyway. So what's the issue?

The issue is, Athens would have played one less league game, which would only give them a 1/2 game lead. NY would have beef that they should have to play the game because if Athens lost to RV (despite the odds of RV winning) it could mean NY would get a share of the championship as head to head doesn’t determine winners. Same records just means they split the league title. Is that so hard to understand?

So by this logic, south Gallia and beaver eastern will both have a beef with league standing regardless of who wins Friday? Both are undefeated in SOC play, but since green cancelled vs SG, due to injuries, they might as well share it??? Please don’t take this serious I am just trying to say that it doesn’t all add up. Whoever is number one in the standings at the end of the year is the winner of the league!

Most leagues will treat that as a win by default for league standing purposes.* The SG/Green situation and the general application of leagues treating unplayed football games as ‘win by default’ (like if it’s a force majeure) is way different than what is being discussed, to be clear. Green being unable to play isn’t the same as a hypothetical Athens kicking the RV game off the schedule to play Ironton.

*or they just subtract out the canceling team’s W/L from the league standings table, so that everyone on the league standings table has the same amount of games played. (So that the total number of wins in league play across all teams = total number of losses in league play across all teams.)

[Boss429]

Let's pretend RV isn't a league game. Athens would get physically mauled by Ironton. Athens is not a very physical football team. If they were to lose a starter or two, now they lose to NY, and it costs them an outright league title and an undefeated season. Oh, but they will be battle tested for the playoffs. That's such bull####.

[BlizzardMan]

Which means that NY vs Athens will decide the league anyway. So what's the issue?

The issue is, Athens would have played one less league game, which would only give them a 1/2 game lead. NY would have beef that they should have to play the game because if Athens lost to RV (despite the odds of RV winning) it could mean NY would get a share of the championship as head to head doesn’t determine winners. Same records just means they split the league title. Is that so hard to understand?

So by this logic, south Gallia and beaver eastern will both have a beef with league standing regardless of who wins Friday? Both are undefeated in SOC play, but since green cancelled vs SG, due to injuries, they might as well share it??? Please don’t take this serious I am just trying to say that it doesn’t all add up. Whoever is number one in the standings at the end of the year is the winner of the league!

Green had to cancel and didn’t pick up another game that was non-league. Is it that hard to understand the difference?

[BlizzardMan]

The funniest part is anybody thinking Athens would agree to this. If I was the Athens AD and this was legit brought to me I’d tell the idiot who suggested it to piss off! We will just keep our RV game. In what world does Athens benefit from this?

[bullfrog93]

Let's pretend RV isn't a league game. Athens would get physically mauled by Ironton. Athens is not a very physical football team. If they were to lose a starter or two, now they lose to NY, and it costs them an outright league title and an undefeated season. Oh, but they will be battle tested for the playoffs. That's such bull####.

No way Ironton could stop Athens. Not saying they wouldn’t beat them, but Athens would score a lot. Can you say unstoppable?

[BlizzardMan]

Let's pretend RV isn't a league game. Athens would get physically mauled by Ironton. Athens is not a very physical football team. If they were to lose a starter or two, now they lose to NY, and it costs them an outright league title and an undefeated season. Oh, but they will be battle tested for the playoffs. That's such bull####.

No way Ironton could stop Athens. Not saying they wouldn’t beat them, but Athens would score a lot. Can you say unstoppable?

I hope you are joking.

[Super trooper]

Athens and River Valley would both get dog walked if that switch was made

[BlizzardMan]

Athens and River Valley would both get dog walked if that switch was made

Exactly. RV might be the literal worst team in southeastern Ohio.

[MisterGalliaGuy2016]

Yes. My bad. NY is still undefeated in the league.

Which means that NY vs Athens will decide the league anyway. So what's the issue?

The issue is, Athens would have played one less league game, which would only give them a 1/2 game lead. NY would have beef that they should have to play the game because if Athens lost to RV (despite the odds of RV winning) it could mean NY would get a share of the championship as head to head doesn’t determine winners. Same records just means they split the league title. Is that so hard to understand?

That's stupid. If you lose the head to head, you don't deserve a share of the title. One team is undefeated, the other has a loss.

That's the point.

[MisterGalliaGuy2016]

And in any event, all NY would have to do is beat Athens anyway and the league crown goes back to Buchtel, the same as it would be if Athens keeps the schedule as is and bears RV by 70.

[OVC]

The issue is, Athens would have played one less league game, which would only give them a 1/2 game lead. NY would have beef that they should have to play the game because if Athens lost to RV (despite the odds of RV winning) it could mean NY would get a share of the championship as head to head doesn’t determine winners. Same records just means they split the league title. Is that so hard to understand?

So by this logic, south Gallia and beaver eastern will both have a beef with league standing regardless of who wins Friday? Both are undefeated in SOC play, but since green cancelled vs SG, due to injuries, they might as well share it??? Please don’t take this serious I am just trying to say that it doesn’t all add up. Whoever is number one in the standings at the end of the year is the winner of the league!

Green had to cancel and didn’t pick up another game that was non-league. Is it that hard to understand the difference?

What if South Gallia picked up a game in that place with another team. Should that disqualify them from a conference championship? Either way, they play one less conference game. That’s the point I’ve been trying to make.

[formerfcfan]

So by this logic, south Gallia and beaver eastern will both have a beef with league standing regardless of who wins Friday? Both are undefeated in SOC play, but since green cancelled vs SG, due to injuries, they might as well share it??? Please don’t take this serious I am just trying to say that it doesn’t all add up. Whoever is number one in the standings at the end of the year is the winner of the league!

Green had to cancel and didn’t pick up another game that was non-league. Is it that hard to understand the difference?

What if South Gallia picked up a game in that place with another team. Should that disqualify them from a conference championship? Either way, they play one less conference game. That’s the point I’ve been trying to make.

Still wouldn’t have any bearing. Most leagues have clauses that address situations like Green’s cancellation for standings purposes.

[formerfcfan]

Which means that NY vs Athens will decide the league anyway. So what's the issue?

The issue is, Athens would have played one less league game, which would only give them a 1/2 game lead. NY would have beef that they should have to play the game because if Athens lost to RV (despite the odds of RV winning) it could mean NY would get a share of the championship as head to head doesn’t determine winners. Same records just means they split the league title. Is that so hard to understand?

That's stupid. If you lose the head to head, you don't deserve a share of the title. One team is undefeated, the other has a loss.

That's the point.

The point is conferences aren’t created for teams to capriciously pick and choose which games they play in the end.