Green defeats East

[greygoose]

58 boys EMIS on the OHSAA count is a hard curve to get around.

I’m sure it was the same numbers or similar to when they had those teams and they had 25 or so players out there. Same curve as so many have to deal with so I’m not buying the numbers game.

Thank you, person with no apparent experience in D7 ball, for weighing in then.

Good response, person who has zero idea about Green over the last 5-6 years. Look at the website name man pretty sure we all know, and I know way more than others in terms of D7 but you keep posting like you always do in knowing everything. It’s that private school mentality.

[formerfcfan]

I’m sure it was the same numbers or similar to when they had those teams and they had 25 or so players out there. Same curve as so many have to deal with so I’m not buying the numbers game.

Thank you, person with no apparent experience in D7 ball, for weighing in then.

Good response, person who has zero idea about Green over the last 5-6 years. Look at the website name man pretty sure we all know, and I know way more than others in terms of D7 but you keep posting like you always do in knowing everything. It’s that private school mentality.

How far you want to go on this one? 58 EMIS is Millersport level enrollment, in case you aren’t aware. That lack of bodies to work with in the building = greater susceptibility to waning periods. No two 20-25 player rosters for a school of that size are going to mirror each other; because they aren’t always built alike.

That Green team had a generally good year in an above average season for the SOC 1. That said, they haven’t been good consistently for close to 25 years now. Are you under some expectation they can consistently churn those types of teams? If so, I got a bridge I can sell you.

[formerfcfan]

I know way more than others in terms of D7 but you keep posting like you always do in knowing everything.

Not anymore D7 knowledge than me, at least. LOL.

It’s that private school mentality.

Try again.

[greygoose]

Thank you, person with no apparent experience in D7 ball, for weighing in then.

Good response, person who has zero idea about Green over the last 5-6 years. Look at the website name man pretty sure we all know, and I know way more than others in terms of D7 but you keep posting like you always do in knowing everything. It’s that private school mentality.

How far you want to go on this one? 58 EMIS is Millersport level enrollment, in case you aren’t aware. That lack of bodies to work with in the building = greater susceptibility to waning periods. No two 20-25 player rosters for a school of that size are going to mirror each other; because they aren’t always built alike.

That Green team had a generally good year in an above average season for the SOC 1. That said, they haven’t been good consistently for close to 25 years now. Are you under some expectation they can consistently churn those types of teams? If so, I got a bridge I can sell you.

Missed the point entirely, those teams had some numbers nothing special mind you but for D7 in good shape. Unless the numbers have drastically decreased in the school since then and I’m doubting that pretty much hang the same each year. Why such a drop in players?? I know football as a whole is losing numbers but there’s been multiple times over last 3-4 years they’ve barely had enough. Forget Millersport forget competition those years all of that is irrelevant to what I’m referring to. Thanks for all of that added information you felt the need to get out there even though it had zero to do with what I was questioning. Green had also run through 2-3 coaches over these last 4 yrs or so as well.

[formerfcfan]

Good response, person who has zero idea about Green over the last 5-6 years. Look at the website name man pretty sure we all know, and I know way more than others in terms of D7 but you keep posting like you always do in knowing everything. It’s that private school mentality.

How far you want to go on this one? 58 EMIS is Millersport level enrollment, in case you aren’t aware. That lack of bodies to work with in the building = greater susceptibility to waning periods. No two 20-25 player rosters for a school of that size are going to mirror each other; because they aren’t always built alike.

That Green team had a generally good year in an above average season for the SOC 1. That said, they haven’t been good consistently for close to 25 years now. Are you under some expectation they can consistently churn those types of teams? If so, I got a bridge I can sell you.

Missed the point entirely, those teams had some numbers nothing special mind you but for D7 in good shape. Unless the numbers have drastically decreased in the school since then and I’m doubting that pretty much hang the same each year. Why such a drop in players?? I know football as a whole is losing numbers but there’s been multiple times over last 3-4 years they’ve barely had enough. Forget Millersport forget competition those years all of that is irrelevant to what I’m referring to.

No it isn’t. Their enrollment is on par with schools who can barely hold onto their own programs. Why do you think I mentioned Millersport? After all, you seem to know so much about D7 ball.

Thanks for all of that added information you felt the need to get out there even though it had zero to do with what I was questioning. Green had also run through 2-3 coaches over these last 4 yrs or so as well.

yeah I’m not surprised the program who only played six games in 2021 is still facing low numbers however many coaches later.

It’s as if… wait for it… having so few boys in the school to work with is an inherently tough situation for roster health purposes. Some years, you get back to back classes where the kids just don’t play football. Trying to recruit the halls and getting kids on board, to stick with it, is like trying to draw water out of a stone.

And making it happen is harder than it looks. Kids have pretty good awareness as to how time-intensive football is, how at schools their size a bunch of kids are playing ~95% of
the snaps (where their only breaks might come on kickoff team.) It’s hard to break the vicious cycle, in those circumstances. Always an uphill battle.

[Ohio1979]

Green needs to recruit. Period. In D7 unless you are a marion local type, you load up each year with the best kids you can and make a run at it. They built that stadium and new school, the selling point should be to attract as many kids as they can. To me they should pursue some of the second string Ironton and Burg kids. Look at Eastern, do you think they are having this success because of homegrown kids from Beaver?

If not, Green Football will be no more

[icanpickem]

Green needs to recruit. Period. In D7 unless you are a marion local type, you load up each year with the best kids you can and make a run at it. They built that stadium and new school, the selling point should be to attract as many kids as they can. To me they should pursue some of the second string Ironton and Burg kids. Look at Eastern, do you think they are having this success because of homegrown kids from Beaver?

If not, Green Football will be no more

I thought they got a RB from wheelersburg this season?

[GoIrish]

Green needs to recruit. Period. In D7 unless you are a marion local type, you load up each year with the best kids you can and make a run at it. They built that stadium and new school, the selling point should be to attract as many kids as they can. To me they should pursue some of the second string Ironton and Burg kids. Look at Eastern, do you think they are having this success because of homegrown kids from Beaver?

If not, Green Football will be no more

Who isn't homegrown from Eastern? I can only think of a handful of transfers. Their success in 22 and 23 were with homegrown kids for sure.

[greygoose]

Green needs to recruit. Period. In D7 unless you are a marion local type, you load up each year with the best kids you can and make a run at it. They built that stadium and new school, the selling point should be to attract as many kids as they can. To me they should pursue some of the second string Ironton and Burg kids. Look at Eastern, do you think they are having this success because of homegrown kids from Beaver?

If not, Green Football will be no more

Green did get a RB from Burg this season, think he was like a 3rd or 4th stringer. Not sure your reference to Eastern though, this is the first season where they have played with 2-3 transfers is all and the 22 and 23 season was all home grown. So having some guys trickle in this season should be no surprise as it's always been said if you win players will start to come in.

[Ohio1979]

Green needs to recruit. Period. In D7 unless you are a marion local type, you load up each year with the best kids you can and make a run at it. They built that stadium and new school, the selling point should be to attract as many kids as they can. To me they should pursue some of the second string Ironton and Burg kids. Look at Eastern, do you think they are having this success because of homegrown kids from Beaver?

If not, Green Football will be no more

Green did get a RB from Burg this season, think he was like a 3rd or 4th stringer. Not sure your reference to Eastern though, this is the first season where they have played with 2-3 transfers is all and the 22 and 23 season was all home grown. So having some guys trickle in this season should be no surprise as it's always been said if you win players will start to come in.

If I am wrong on Eastern Then my apologizes. A guy at work talked about them having multiple kids from Waverly and Piketon. The thing with this small school ball is it only takes 3 or 4 transfers to make a difference.

[GoIrish]

Eastern has 1 new kid from Piketon, who never played football at Piketon before this season. Three new players from Waverly (of which one used to attend Eastern, from what I understand). And one new player from Jackson. Five new players, one a rookie, doesn't a championship team make. All of those transfers are great athletes and assets to the program. But they are all parts of a whole. None of them are a single MVP type athlete who carries the whole team. Eastern isn't going to turn people away, but I haven't ever seen recruiting from them.

[Ohio1979]

Eastern has 1 new kid from Piketon, who never played football at Piketon before this season. Three new players from Waverly (of which one used to attend Eastern, from what I understand). And one new player from Jackson. Five new players, one a rookie, doesn't a championship team make. All of those transfers are great athletes and assets to the program. But they are all parts of a whole. None of them are a single MVP type athlete who carries the whole team. Eastern isn't going to turn people away, but I haven't ever seen recruiting from them.

My post is not bashing Eastern. And like a said a handful of players at that level makes a big difference. The program is in good shape, not a negative to say that they are attracting kids.

The point of my post is that if green is serious about football. Use those multi million dollar investments as a way to bring kids in. You are NOT going to win with Green kids. I live 7 minutes from the school, regularly talk with parents close to the program. There is no way around it, if Green football is going to be successful, you need to begin bringing new kids in at a rate of 5 or 6 a year at multiple grade levels until it is just natural that you are fielding teams of 35 plus where half are not Franklin Furnace kids.

They are in a nice spot to do this with multiple schools relatively close to them. It is just the way it is, you can beat your head against a brick wall saying you can do it with Green kids but unfortunately there is a reason the team is where it is.

[522Pirate]

Eastern has 1 new kid from Piketon, who never played football at Piketon before this season. Three new players from Waverly (of which one used to attend Eastern, from what I understand). And one new player from Jackson. Five new players, one a rookie, doesn't a championship team make. All of those transfers are great athletes and assets to the program. But they are all parts of a whole. None of them are a single MVP type athlete who carries the whole team. Eastern isn't going to turn people away, but I haven't ever seen recruiting from them.

My post is not bashing Eastern. And like a said a handful of players at that level makes a big difference. The program is in good shape, not a negative to say that they are attracting kids.

The point of my post is that if green is serious about football. Use those multi million dollar investments as a way to bring kids in. You are NOT going to win with Green kids. I live 7 minutes from the school, regularly talk with parents close to the program. There is no way around it, if Green football is going to be successful, you need to begin bringing new kids in at a rate of 5 or 6 a year at multiple grade levels until it is just natural that you are fielding teams of 35 plus where half are not Franklin Furnace kids.

They are in a nice spot to do this with multiple schools relatively close to them. It is just the way it is, you can beat your head against a brick wall saying you can do it with Green kids but unfortunately there is a reason the team is where it is.

To your point, through the years most of the exceptional athletes Green produces end up transferring (usually to Burg)

[GoIrish]

There's the paradox. Not only do they need to stop losing what talent they do have to other schools, they need to generate interest to bring in fresh talent.

[formerfcfan]

The part that is difficult to reconcile with "bring in kids from the outside" -- those theoretical transfers need to be on the same page as everyone else who came up through the grade levels within Green.

The idea isn't bad. It does, however, require the ability to make those kids integrated into the whole. Integrated into the whole as in, they aren't "above" anyone else. That the same set of rules, standards and expectations apply to them as the 'in-house' pipeline kids that were going to Green regardless. Not every kid who transfers-in is an asset, regardless of their talent. Regardless of their ability to be a warm body who can reduce snap load.

This isn't to paint a broad brush on kids who transfer. Many have very legitimate reasons. Unfortunately, with infusions of kids from other programs invariably comes the issue of obstacles. Obstacles like personality conflicts, what gets permitted at place 'A' might not be permitted at place 'B', and, of course, whether the motivation to transfer is purely based on perceived opportunity to play more (let alone be 'a star') versus a sincere desire to just attend a new educational setting.

The answers and solutions won't be cut-and-dry. There is a good point mentioned about keeping students within Green's district at Green. Per the Ohio Department of Education, there are 132 students physically living in Green's district that attend public school elsewhere via open enrollment. The ODE says there's 370 within Green's district who attend Green schools. IOW, one in four public school students in the district are going somewhere else. By comparison, Valley has 91 kids OE'ing elsewhere versus the 571 public school students who live in their district that are staying at Valley.

[Tigernation2021]

Not sure what is happening between junior high and HS because I seen their junior high play and I believe they had 20 plus kids on the team. So a group of 7th and 8th graders totals more than 9-12. Hopefully those younger guys keep with it then.

[Tigernation2021]

Green needs to recruit. Period. In D7 unless you are a marion local type, you load up each year with the best kids you can and make a run at it. They built that stadium and new school, the selling point should be to attract as many kids as they can. To me they should pursue some of the second string Ironton and Burg kids. Look at Eastern, do you think they are having this success because of homegrown kids from Beaver?

If not, Green Football will be no more

Green did get a RB from Burg this season, think he was like a 3rd or 4th stringer. Not sure your reference to Eastern though, this is the first season where they have played with 2-3 transfers is all and the 22 and 23 season was all home grown. So having some guys trickle in this season should be no surprise as it's always been said if you win players will start to come in.

If I am wrong on Eastern Then my apologizes. A guy at work talked about them having multiple kids from Waverly and Piketon. The thing with this small school ball is it only takes 3 or 4 transfers to make a difference.

Let me help clear this up and I've read what you've posted and I don't believe you're bashing anyone in any way what so ever. You seem to be simply advocating for Green to pick things up so to speak. 3-4 transfers can make a big difference with a small school, but 1 transfer isn't eligible because he left after the season started, another transfer has already played his 1st 5 games and is done for the season, 1 lineman who started as a freshman at waverly that came over is cleared and good and the WR/DB is cleared as he came over back in January. He was at Eastern before HS and started at Waverly his freshman and sophomore year and came back during the school year for family reasons. That'll at least clear up the Waverly transfer talk, zero recruiting just the simple fact of kids not wanting to deal with the toxic environment at Waverly any more. There's 1 boy from Jackson who wasn't getting playing time at Jackson so he left, another boy from Piketon and someone explained that already.