Logan sneaks into playoffs at 1-9

[Syntax]

Nelsonville-York's win over previously unbeaten Athens opens the door for the Chieftans. They start their run for a State Championship against 9-1 Big Walnut.

[Watertown]

The only positive is it will make some money for the OHSAA. But isn’t that what it’s supposed to be about? SMDH

[Bird Dog]

What a joke

[Geronimo]

WOW

[packers80]

Obviously, it's all about the money.

[NewEra]

This is just the result of the bottom of that region being terrible. Several d5 and 6 teams with below .500 records could of also secured a spot in D2 R7

[portsmouth_98]

More common in the bigger divisions it seems. If it happens in d5-d7 it's usually a Mac school and they are probably going to win out until they play another Mac school.

[Tjhtygeverve]

More common in the bigger divisions it seems. If it happens in d5-d7 it's usually a Mac school and they are probably going to win out until they play another Mac school.

Well-this scenario makes me realize & accept the 16 Team scenario is a bad scenario.

I will agree with the MAC schools as an example where those teams are so competitive, that if one team starts with some losses, due to injury, building the best line up in positions, and peaking correctly, could change scenarios placing a MAC school in a position to make a deep run, & shaking things up in the division @ a MAC SCHOOL RE-MATCH. Those teams are incredible!!!.

Other than that, i firmly believe in a 12 or 8 team playoff system.

Having to play 5 games to be state champion i believe is just one too many.

A 1-9 Logan, …. WOW. Is all i can say.
A 9-1 Athens…… WOW is all i can say.


NY beating Athens….I’m NOT surprised!

[Bird Dog]

More common in the bigger divisions it seems. If it happens in d5-d7 it's usually a Mac school and they are probably going to win out until they play another Mac school.

Well-this scenario makes me realize & accept the 16 Team scenario is a bad scenario.

I will agree with the MAC schools as an example where those teams are so competitive, that if one team starts with some losses, due to injury, building the best line up in positions, and peaking correctly, could change scenarios placing a MAC school in a position to make a deep run, & shaking things up in the division @ a MAC SCHOOL RE-MATCH. Those teams are incredible!!!.

Other than that, i firmly believe in a 12 or 8 team playoff system.

Having to play 5 games to be state champion i believe is just one too many.

A 1-9 Logan, …. WOW. Is all i can say.
A 9-1 Athens…… WOW is all i can say.


NY beating Athens….I’m NOT surprised!

Looking at the pathetic Region 27 also helps the argument against 16 teams, like 8 teams gonna make it with a losing record.

[formerfcfan]

Surely the issue is 16 teams, and not the fact a team in their first year of OCC play for some reason decided to prepare themselves by playing a program that was D6 at the time the schedule was made!

[9.5 INCHES]

This is a joke! They should never have more then 8 teams make playoffs, but the almighty dollar takes over logic reasoning. The only upside I can think of is it gives the underclassmen more practice and gametime to get better for next year, other than that, it will be just another embarrassment for the kids, who don't need that.

[loganlocos]

Surely the issue is 16 teams, and not the fact a team in their first year of OCC play for some reason decided to prepare themselves by playing a program that was D6 at the time the schedule was made!

Should Logan have scheduled a DV school (and lost) like the OCC-Buckeye champion did?

I appreciate your posts - so not personal. Just asking the question...

I don't think any non-league schedule was going to "prepare" Logan for the OCC.

[formerfcfan]

Surely the issue is 16 teams, and not the fact a team in their first year of OCC play for some reason decided to prepare themselves by playing a program that was D6 at the time the schedule was made!

Should Logan have scheduled a DV school (and lost) like the OCC-Buckeye champion did?

I appreciate your posts - so not personal. Just asking the question...

I don't think any non-league schedule was going to "prepare" Logan for the OCC.

I wrote the sentence poorly. I’m fine with 16 teams. I get the backyard brawl aspect of that game, too.

The intent of the post is that the larger source of this “how did Logan get in?” boils down to the Harbins system rewarding a victory over an 8(+) win team no matter the quality of that opponent’s wins with respect to the subject team’s region (NY is a fine team, those wins can mean something; but they don’t square to the rest of the D2 landscape — let alone the D2 playoff landscape.)

36.5 L2 points out of one win. If Logan won one or two more games here or there, they prob could’ve qualified if it was still 8 teams per region as well. Like if they beat Warren and Jackson and still went 3-7.

We blame the playoff model all we want, but here it’s a bigger issue of Harbins. In the old days, NY would’ve been called a Harbin cow in this matter.

I shouldn’t have mixed the OCC into this, though. That’s on me.

[greygoose]

It's like this every single year though as most already know if you're D1 they all make the playoffs for the most part. As you drop in divisions obviously it happens less but region 10 has a 15 and 16 seed with 2 wins and that region is carrying 26 teams. Why because both of them beat a team that finished with 7 wins just like Logan pulled off. Region 12 has got a 3 win team as the 16 seed in a 27 team region once again because of the win against a 7 win team. I've felt the entire time 12 was the magic number, where the top 4 get a bye week and then a home game in week 12. It's discussed every single year but nothing is going to be done about it.

[Donnie Hagglethorpe]

16 seed = $$$ for OHSAA. That’s all that matters.

[GoBucks1047]

This won't happen, but I'd like to see the playoffs dropped to 14 teams per. region with 3 rounds of teams hosting playoff games instead of 2 rounds so teams can still host 2 playoff games. Top 2 seeds get a bye and host up to 2 playoff games. Seeds 3-4 host at least 2 playoff games. Seeds 5-8 host at least 1 playoff game. I don't see much reason in 1/16 and 2/15 matchups, but at least the 13 and 14 seeds have shown they're capable of pulling off an upset frequent enough and caps the playoff teams at ~54% (down from 61.5%) for D2-D7. D1 drops a good bit to from 89% to 78%.

With the loss of 2 1st round playoff games per. region, I think the number of regions could double and do 7 playoff teams for 8 regions per. division to cut down on travel costs for teams. It would also further justify the 1st 3 rounds hosted by teams as it would feature teams in their smaller regions while the latter 3 rounds feature the elite 8 teams per. division in neutral site locations, but I wouldn't have any issues with just staying at 4 regions or using the 4 regions and then splitting up the top 14 teams geographically into 2 brackets of 7. Maybe guarantee the top 4 teams from each smaller 8 region setup and the next 6 overall teams in the larger 4 region setup for the 14 teams with a geographic split.

[smurray]

16 Teams is nothing more than a $$$ grab.
It’s ridiculous.

[noreply66]

Is it better for one sport to have every school in the play offs and the other only about half?

[loganlocos]

Surely the issue is 16 teams, and not the fact a team in their first year of OCC play for some reason decided to prepare themselves by playing a program that was D6 at the time the schedule was made!

Should Logan have scheduled a DV school (and lost) like the OCC-Buckeye champion did?

I appreciate your posts - so not personal. Just asking the question...

I don't think any non-league schedule was going to "prepare" Logan for the OCC.

I wrote the sentence poorly. I’m fine with 16 teams. I get the backyard brawl aspect of that game, too.

The intent of the post is that the larger source of this “how did Logan get in?” boils down to the Harbins system rewarding a victory over an 8(+) win team no matter the quality of that opponent’s wins with respect to the subject team’s region (NY is a fine team, those wins can mean something; but they don’t square to the rest of the D2 landscape — let alone the D2 playoff landscape.)

36.5 L2 points out of one win. If Logan won one or two more games here or there, they prob could’ve qualified if it was still 8 teams per region as well. Like if they beat Warren and Jackson and still went 3-7.

We blame the playoff model all we want, but here it’s a bigger issue of Harbins. In the old days, NY would’ve been called a Harbin cow in this matter.

I shouldn’t have mixed the OCC into this, though. That’s on me.

All good. Sounds like we agree on a lot (as usual).

I'm used to taking shrapnel over Logan's schedule or perceived schedule

The coaches voted for an expansion to 12 teams - instead of 16 - for a reason. I think it's fair to question expansion to 16 teams - expecially in Division One where we certainly at some point an 0-10 team is going to get in on third level points.

The Harbin system has served Ohio well overall - but might need to be reexamined as advanced analytics have become more mainstream.

[formerfcfan]

Should Logan have scheduled a DV school (and lost) like the OCC-Buckeye champion did?

I appreciate your posts - so not personal. Just asking the question...

I don't think any non-league schedule was going to "prepare" Logan for the OCC.

I wrote the sentence poorly. I’m fine with 16 teams. I get the backyard brawl aspect of that game, too.

The intent of the post is that the larger source of this “how did Logan get in?” boils down to the Harbins system rewarding a victory over an 8(+) win team no matter the quality of that opponent’s wins with respect to the subject team’s region (NY is a fine team, those wins can mean something; but they don’t square to the rest of the D2 landscape — let alone the D2 playoff landscape.)

36.5 L2 points out of one win. If Logan won one or two more games here or there, they prob could’ve qualified if it was still 8 teams per region as well. Like if they beat Warren and Jackson and still went 3-7.

We blame the playoff model all we want, but here it’s a bigger issue of Harbins. In the old days, NY would’ve been called a Harbin cow in this matter.

I shouldn’t have mixed the OCC into this, though. That’s on me.

All good. Sounds like we agree on a lot (as usual).

I'm used to taking shrapnel over Logan's schedule or perceived schedule

The coaches voted for an expansion to 12 teams - instead of 16 - for a reason. I think it's fair to question expansion to 16 teams - expecially in Division One where we certainly at some point an 0-10 team is going to get in on third level points.

The Harbin system has served Ohio well overall - but might need to be reexamined as advanced analytics have become more mainstream.

Implementing the L3 points system across the board, and having the formula tweaked to give it some weight, may be the fairest (most consistent) and more 'in-depth' way to really mesh today's football with today's playoff model.

Good to hear from ya, man. Hope you're well!