Week 12 : #8 (8-3) Portsmouth @ #1 (10-1) Ironton

[ChecksNBalances]

Proud of what they accomplished from a football standpoint. Got a home playoff game, upset Fairland last year, almost (should’ve) won the OVC, won multiple playoff games, those are great accomplishments and I’m very proud of them for those things. I however am not proud of them when they face adversity by throwing hands, late hits, jawing, those things hurt the team, it didn’t cost them in any games other than Ironton and without those the outcome doesn’t change anyways, but the point still remains it could have cost them in other games. I can tolerate some words, I can tolerate playing physical football and if you get called you get called as long as you’re trying to make a play. I can’t tolerate or support hits 5 yards out of bounds, throwing punches and all the extra crap. You’re not wrong it happens to every team and in almost every game. The difference here being that it happened 20+ times within 2 games against a team everyone watches, a rivalry game, a playoff game. People are going to notice and talk, it sucks but those things should’ve never happened. Especially after it all went down in the summer, you know Ironton players were going to talk and bait the Trojans and they couldn’t contain their emotions. So after a bad week 10 that should’ve been it. Coach should’ve said enough is enough, he didn’t and it happened week 12 and that’s the last memory many will have of the 2024 Trojans.

You can’t be proud and embarrassed, it’s one or the other. I know what you’re trying to say, but it doesn’t work that way pal. You either ride for these kids or you’re against them…you should change your name to ITiger59

Adults that do not hold children accountable do not love or support them. They damage them for life. No mystery why the town of Portsmouth has become what it is if the adults lack the ability to teach the youth. The conduct by that so called team ( because it's only a team not a program) is a mirror reflection of what portsmouth is.

Portsmouth adults had no issue teaching their children how to use and sell heroin and fentanyl. But they can't teach em discipline. Something doesn't add up.

[ChecksNBalances]

You can’t be proud and embarrassed, it’s one or the other. I know what you’re trying to say, but it doesn’t work that way pal. You either ride for these kids or you’re against them…you should change your name to ITiger59

Adults that do not hold children accountable do not love or support them. They damage them for life. No mystery why the town of Portsmouth has become what it is if the adults lack the ability to teach the youth. The conduct by that so called team ( because it's only a team not a program) is a mirror reflection of what portsmouth is.

Portsmouth adults had no issue teaching their children how to use and sell heroin and fentanyl. But they can't teach em discipline. Something doesn't add up.

And portsmouth adults have had no issue showing their kids how only having 16% of ya population with a Bachelors degree or above may just lead to struggle down the road = but they can't teach discipline. Smh.

Yup.. All the variables check out. Sure have let these kids down.

[TrojanAlumn]

You do realize that officials walking kids off for jawing inbetween plays is a part of their job right? Game management.....just because what you see on Saturdays and Sundays is acceptable it is NOT what you will see on Fridays. I've coached HS football and when a official walks off a player(s) it is up to the coach at that point to deal with the issue and send the player back when he feels the player is ready to play football. If it happens again they get flagged. It's in the rule book. Maybe you should look into that before you assume

I'm not assuming anything. I've played enough ball and been around the game long enough. I don't need to look into anything. Game management or picking and choosing? Call it what you want.

Okay bud lol you are probably right...OHSAA called that crew 3 days before the game and said, "Portsmouth has had poor behavior all year...go after them" "Walk them off the field every time they open their mouths" "Then if that doesnt work, drop the hammer and flag flag flag"..complete inside job. Must have paid those officials really really well. You right, you right.

How idiotic!!!

Not what I said at all. Not even close. You can try to paint that picture though. Do I think they had opinions about each team prior to the game? You bet

[Turd_Ferguson]

But yeah better if you don’t show up again, but if you do give me a shout and maybe I could make you feel very unwelcomed.

Ahh yes violence that makes the Portsmouth faithful look good.

[TrojanAlumn]

Adults that do not hold children accountable do not love or support them. They damage them for life. No mystery why the town of Portsmouth has become what it is if the adults lack the ability to teach the youth. The conduct by that so called team ( because it's only a team not a program) is a mirror reflection of what portsmouth is.

Portsmouth adults had no issue teaching their children how to use and sell heroin and fentanyl. But they can't teach em discipline. Something doesn't add up.

And portsmouth adults have had no issue showing their kids how only having 16% of ya population with a Bachelors degree or above may just lead to struggle down the road = but they can't teach discipline. Smh.

Yup.. All the variables check out. Sure have let these kids down.

You're really digging in your bag now huh? I guess da*n near everywhere around has drug use except for good ol Ironton lol. Everyone there is perfect right?

[veer]

!!!!!
I can tell you the true Trojans here in Portsmouth aren't jealous about a thing they have down the road.

With all of the success in other sports at Portsmouth, in your opinion, why is the culture so poor when it comes to football? It doesnt seem to be that way in other sports there.

I don't think the culture is poor at all. You saw 1 out of 12 games this year? The only other game talked about this way was against who? Ironton! There's some bad blood there.
IMO the officials, appointed by the OHSAA or not, had to be told or already knew about how the Fairland game ended and how the reaction afterwards was (by fans not the kids) and how we played Ironton the first time. Opinions were already made after that. I think at times they were more focused on how our players would react to something rather than actually officiating the way they were supposed to. Without a question it was too much at times but on the other hand sending players off the field and throwing flags just because a kid was talking I will never get behind. Really no harm there. And no I am not blaming the refs. We got beat on all phases of the game. Twice
But I will defend those kids and my community. Especially to people that don't have a clue. A lot of great things are going on here. We boo at a call and people lose their minds lol fans are passionate about the game and now all of a sudden they're drunk. Another post chiming in about a kids behavior at a basketball game. Where do things like this not happen? Let take a minute and be honest.

This posts makes your stance pretty clear.

[TrojanAlumn]

With all of the success in other sports at Portsmouth, in your opinion, why is the culture so poor when it comes to football? It doesnt seem to be that way in other sports there.

I don't think the culture is poor at all. You saw 1 out of 12 games this year? The only other game talked about this way was against who? Ironton! There's some bad blood there.
IMO the officials, appointed by the OHSAA or not, had to be told or already knew about how the Fairland game ended and how the reaction afterwards was (by fans not the kids) and how we played Ironton the first time. Opinions were already made after that. I think at times they were more focused on how our players would react to something rather than actually officiating the way they were supposed to. Without a question it was too much at times but on the other hand sending players off the field and throwing flags just because a kid was talking I will never get behind. Really no harm there. And no I am not blaming the refs. We got beat on all phases of the game. Twice
But I will defend those kids and my community. Especially to people that don't have a clue. A lot of great things are going on here. We boo at a call and people lose their minds lol fans are passionate about the game and now all of a sudden they're drunk. Another post chiming in about a kids behavior at a basketball game. Where do things like this not happen? Let take a minute and be honest.

This posts makes your stance pretty clear.

Very clear!!! Told by whoever. Didnt say OHSAA told them. I was pointing out the fact that they were appointed by them and that doesn't matter. Couldve been from their friends or other officials who could've heard about it and theyve talked to. Whatever the case may be. After that opinions were made.
Seems very clear. If any official officiates a game a certain way from a personal opinion about something that happened prior to, do us all a favor and hang it up. End of story

[veer]

I don't think the culture is poor at all. You saw 1 out of 12 games this year? The only other game talked about this way was against who? Ironton! There's some bad blood there.
IMO the officials, appointed by the OHSAA or not, had to be told or already knew about how the Fairland game ended and how the reaction afterwards was (by fans not the kids) and how we played Ironton the first time. Opinions were already made after that. I think at times they were more focused on how our players would react to something rather than actually officiating the way they were supposed to. Without a question it was too much at times but on the other hand sending players off the field and throwing flags just because a kid was talking I will never get behind. Really no harm there. And no I am not blaming the refs. We got beat on all phases of the game. Twice
But I will defend those kids and my community. Especially to people that don't have a clue. A lot of great things are going on here. We boo at a call and people lose their minds lol fans are passionate about the game and now all of a sudden they're drunk. Another post chiming in about a kids behavior at a basketball game. Where do things like this not happen? Let take a minute and be honest.

This posts makes your stance pretty clear.

Very clear!!! Told by whoever. Did say OHSAA told them. I was pointing out the fact that they were appointed by them. Couldve been from their friends or other officials who could've heard about it. After that opinions were made.
Seems very clear. If any official officiates a game a certain way from a personal opinion about something, do us all a favor and hang it up. End of story

So you are saying that officials shouldnt manage the game and just allow players to jaw during the game? Cause we all know how that ends.... These are kids, not adults that should be allowed to behave in an unsportsmanlike behavior. It leads to fights, which then leads to suspensions...I cant get behind that type of behavior in HS athletics. Its not allowed in any other HS sport and it shouldnt be allowed in football ether. I seen players from both teams being walked off. Take notice to the only fan base complaining about it...

[TrojanAlumn]

This posts makes your stance pretty clear.

Very clear!!! Told by whoever. Did say OHSAA told them. I was pointing out the fact that they were appointed by them. Couldve been from their friends or other officials who could've heard about it. After that opinions were made.
Seems very clear. If any official officiates a game a certain way from a personal opinion about something, do us all a favor and hang it up. End of story

So you are saying that officials shouldnt manage the game and just allow players to jaw during the game? Cause we all know how that ends.... These are kids, not adults that should be allowed to behave in an unsportsmanlike behavior. It leads to fights, which then leads to suspensions...I cant get behind that type of behavior in HS athletics. Its not allowed in any other HS sport and it shouldnt be allowed in football ether. I seen players from both teams being walked off. Take notice to the only fan base complaining about it...

No. Let's stop trying to put words in my mouth! Officials should manage games. Not pick and choose when and who or what team based off of opinions about something that happened prior. It's football, a physical sport. There's always gonna be something there when it's physical. People are too soft to realize that now days. I can say that I'm not complaining. Just defending our boys and our community when things were said. Trying to get others to understand other sides of things for a change. No progress

[BuckeyeBlood]

All year there are posts about "Ironton needs to clean it up" "too many penalties" "undisciplined"
Is that a reflection of their adults and community like you guys try to insist? NO

This whole fiasco started because of them acting like punks in a 7on7 against Portsmouth, their dirty coach did discipline them by making them run afterwards though, give him credit there. So I don’t think people can act like the team is innocent, if they were why didn’t punish them? I don’t like him, played against him and thought he was a dirty player and they take after his style of play, but I doubt he was out there at the 7on7 telling them to tackle and trash talk the Portsmouth kids.

Sounds like you were on the wrong end of trying to tackle Coach when he was in HS.

Hard to tackle someone when they’re on the juice. Played against him in peewee football and junior high, he was soft and weak. Few years later he’s the biggest kid in the county, we all know why. Hopefully that’s not why Ironton is having the success they are having.

[ChecksNBalances]

I'm not assuming anything. I've played enough ball and been around the game long enough. I don't need to look into anything. Game management or picking and choosing? Call it what you want.

Okay bud lol you are probably right...OHSAA called that crew 3 days before the game and said, "Portsmouth has had poor behavior all year...go after them" "Walk them off the field every time they open their mouths" "Then if that doesnt work, drop the hammer and flag flag flag"..complete inside job. Must have paid those officials really really well. You right, you right.

How idiotic!!!

Not what I said at all. Not even close. You can try to paint that picture though. Do I think they had opinions about each team prior to the game? You bet

Opinions based on observed conduct.

[BuckeyeBlood]

Very clear!!! Told by whoever. Did say OHSAA told them. I was pointing out the fact that they were appointed by them. Couldve been from their friends or other officials who could've heard about it. After that opinions were made.
Seems very clear. If any official officiates a game a certain way from a personal opinion about something, do us all a favor and hang it up. End of story

So you are saying that officials shouldnt manage the game and just allow players to jaw during the game? Cause we all know how that ends.... These are kids, not adults that should be allowed to behave in an unsportsmanlike behavior. It leads to fights, which then leads to suspensions...I cant get behind that type of behavior in HS athletics. Its not allowed in any other HS sport and it shouldnt be allowed in football ether. I seen players from both teams being walked off. Take notice to the only fan base complaining about it...

No. Let's stop trying to put words in my mouth! Officials should manage games. Not pick and choose when and who or what team based off of opinions about something that happened prior. It's football, a physical sport. There's always gonna be something there when it's physical. People are too soft to realize that now days. I can say that I'm not complaining. Just defending our boys and our community when things were said. Trying to get others to understand other sides of things for a change. No progress

Won’t make progress when they have their minds made up. Portsmouth could be world class best behavior, drug free, state champions for the next 30 years and because things that happened years ago and not everyone looks the same minds will go right back to the years prior.

[veer]

So you are saying that officials shouldnt manage the game and just allow players to jaw during the game? Cause we all know how that ends.... These are kids, not adults that should be allowed to behave in an unsportsmanlike behavior. It leads to fights, which then leads to suspensions...I cant get behind that type of behavior in HS athletics. Its not allowed in any other HS sport and it shouldnt be allowed in football ether. I seen players from both teams being walked off. Take notice to the only fan base complaining about it...

No. Let's stop trying to put words in my mouth! Officials should manage games. Not pick and choose when and who or what team based off of opinions about something that happened prior. It's football, a physical sport. There's always gonna be something there when it's physical. People are too soft to realize that now days. I can say that I'm not complaining. Just defending our boys and our community when things were said. Trying to get others to understand other sides of things for a change. No progress

Won’t make progress when they have their minds made up. Portsmouth could be world class best behavior, drug free, state champions for the next 30 years and because things that happened years ago and not everyone looks the same minds will go right back to the years prior.

Minds made up? I have driven through Portsmouth 1 time in my life, to eat. Which it was a pleasant experience! The game last Friday was my first time in Ironton. I have zero ties to ether program. I am as unbiased as it gets. Which is why I think I ruffled some feathers when I stated my observations.

[TigerBob]

All year there are posts about "Ironton needs to clean it up" "too many penalties" "undisciplined"
Is that a reflection of their adults and community like you guys try to insist? NO

This whole fiasco started because of them acting like punks in a 7on7 against Portsmouth, their dirty coach did discipline them by making them run afterwards though, give him credit there. So I don’t think people can act like the team is innocent, if they were why didn’t punish them? I don’t like him, played against him and thought he was a dirty player and they take after his style of play, but I doubt he was out there at the 7on7 telling them to tackle and trash talk the Portsmouth kids.

There was an incident. Both sides at fault. One team was punished. The other was not. Later, in two separate games with two separate sets of referees, the punished team was not flagged for double digit personal foul penalties. The unpunished team was flagged for double digit personal foul penalties.

Pretty much sums it up.

Portsmouth does not have this problem in all sports. It seems to be a football problem. The behavior is tolerated in football. It is not in other sports. Some Portsmouth fans seem fine with it, others embarrassed by it.

[TigersGameDayFan]

Recommended thread lock. A lot of weird conversations going on here about a game that is over. A lot of weird talk.

[veer]

All year there are posts about "Ironton needs to clean it up" "too many penalties" "undisciplined"
Is that a reflection of their adults and community like you guys try to insist? NO

This whole fiasco started because of them acting like punks in a 7on7 against Portsmouth, their dirty coach did discipline them by making them run afterwards though, give him credit there. So I don’t think people can act like the team is innocent, if they were why didn’t punish them? I don’t like him, played against him and thought he was a dirty player and they take after his style of play, but I doubt he was out there at the 7on7 telling them to tackle and trash talk the Portsmouth kids.

There was an incident. Both sides at fault. One team was punished. The other was not. Later, in two separate games with two separate sets of referees, the punished team was not flagged for double digit personal foul penalties. The unpunished team was flagged for double digit personal foul penalties.

Pretty much sums it up.

Portsmouth does not have this problem in all sports. It seems to be a football problem. The behavior is tolerated in football. It is not in other sports. Some Portsmouth fans seem fine with it, others embarrassed by it.

The most reasonable and adult post Ive seen on this thread. Spot on.

[Turd_Ferguson]

Recommended thread lock. A lot of weird conversations going on here about a game that is over. A lot of weird talk.

Weird