Marietta (7-0)@ Meigs (8-0) Friday-1/3/25

[Ironman92]

If anyone would like to see the events, here's the URL: https://fan.hudl.com/usa/oh/pomeroy/org ... MjZkZTQ%3D

Go to the 1:20:31 mark to see the inbounds that led up to the inadvertent whistle.

Thanks….this was my guess but even more than I guessed.

Official clearly just trying to be immediate on the timeout but you have to see the ball through the net…be immediate on that. Whistle had zero to do with the tip in. That tip in was happening regardless. The tip was tipped before anyone reacted to the whistle.

Refs met and must’ve decided that they made a big mistake OR couldn’t fully agree that his inadvertent whistle was before the tip in (noise)….there was no easy answer or easy way to avoid things like this thread. They went with allowing the tip. Just watching the final happenings I agree with the outcome but per the rules they did the wrong thing IF they thought whistle was audible before tip happened.

The quick whistle left the officials with no path of not being strongly discussed. I feel bad for all 3 officials but that’s from just watching final portion of the game. I do have a final thought but will just leave it be as it isn’t fair to the official that blew the whistle early.

[Ironman92]

Make your free throws

[SouthEast Hoops Fan]

If anyone would like to see the events, here's the URL: https://fan.hudl.com/usa/oh/pomeroy/org ... MjZkZTQ%3D

Go to the 1:20:31 mark to see the inbounds that led up to the inadvertent whistle.

Thanks….this was my guess but even more than I guessed.

Official clearly just trying to be immediate on the timeout but you have to see the ball through the net…be immediate on that. Whistle had zero to do with the tip in. That tip in was happening regardless. The tip was tipped before anyone reacted to the whistle.

Refs met and must’ve decided that they made a big mistake OR couldn’t fully agree that his inadvertent whistle was before the tip in (noise)….there was no easy answer or easy way to avoid things like this thread. They went with allowing the tip. Just watching the final happenings I agree with the outcome but per the rules they did the wrong thing IF they thought whistle was audible before tip happened.

The quick whistle left the officials with no path of not being strongly discussed. I feel bad for all 3 officials but that’s from just watching final portion of the game. I do have a final thought but will just leave it be as it isn’t fair to the official that blew the whistle early.

No reason to feel bad about the official. He knew he made a mistake — clear early whistle — and they all 3 made an additional mistake by not abiding by the rule. Simple as that.

[Ironman92]

If anyone would like to see the events, here's the URL: https://fan.hudl.com/usa/oh/pomeroy/org ... MjZkZTQ%3D

Go to the 1:20:31 mark to see the inbounds that led up to the inadvertent whistle.

Thanks….this was my guess but even more than I guessed.

Official clearly just trying to be immediate on the timeout but you have to see the ball through the net…be immediate on that. Whistle had zero to do with the tip in. That tip in was happening regardless. The tip was tipped before anyone reacted to the whistle.

Refs met and must’ve decided that they made a big mistake OR couldn’t fully agree that his inadvertent whistle was before the tip in (noise)….there was no easy answer or easy way to avoid things like this thread. They went with allowing the tip. Just watching the final happenings I agree with the outcome but per the rules they did the wrong thing IF they thought whistle was audible before tip happened.

The quick whistle left the officials with no path of not being strongly discussed. I feel bad for all 3 officials but that’s from just watching final portion of the game. I do have a final thought but will just leave it be as it isn’t fair to the official that blew the whistle early.

No reason to feel bad about the official. He knew he made a mistake — clear early whistle — and they all 3 made an additional mistake by not abiding by the rule. Simple as that.

It was a no win situation regardless of whether they went by the rules or not. Based on the last 15 seconds, Meigs should’ve won the game.

[Jagros]

Whistle was heard ref through up his hands. Most in the stands thought it was gonna be a walk

[Hookshot]

A good official will communicate with coaches at the end of games to get an idea of what they are thinking (I want a timeout, we are going to foul immediately, etc.). I think your point is a good one that maybe that communication happened and the official just jumped the gun trying to give Marietta the timeout with as much time as possible on the clock. Quick question, was the put back uncontested? Doesn't change the error but i am just curious if anyone thinks he would have scored even if the whistle had not been blown. Also, did the clock keep running after the whistle?

player caught and released the ball in the air before he came down and yes, players kept playing. It was so load in the gym I don't think anybody heard the whistle. they did put a second back on the clock. it was 0.8 left when clock stopped. adjusted to 1.8

"I don't think anybody heard the whistle.? Respectfully, it was actually quite noticeable by those at the game, and it can be heard pretty clearly on the Hudl live stream.

[muskiefan11]

Not sure how well the audio matches up on the Hudl live stream, but it seems to me that when you hear the whistle the putback is out of the Meigs players hand. Or at least close enough to justify counting the bucket in real-time. Difficult to decipher tho as the hudl audio typically seems to be slightly delayed.

Certainly appears that official was trying to give Marietta the timeout with as much time as possible left but was premature in assuming the initial layup was made.

Tough ending to what sounded like a good game, although as noted previously the final 10 seconds did not determine the entire outcome of the game. JMO as a neutral observer tho.

[Hookshot]

Not sure how well the audio matches up on the Hudl live stream, but it seems to me that when you hear the whistle the putback is out of the Meigs players hand. Or at least close enough to justify counting the bucket in real-time. Difficult to decipher tho as the hudl audio typically seems to be slightly delayed.

Certainly appears that official was trying to give Marietta the timeout with as much time as possible left but was premature in assuming the initial layup was made.

Tough ending to what sounded like a good game, although as noted previously the final 10 seconds did not determine the entire outcome of the game. JMO as a neutral observer tho.

The whistle was clearly blown before the second shot and if you freeze-frame the play at 2.4 seconds left the referee is signaling timeout. Yes, Marietta wanted the timeout as soon as possible and the officials knew that. Maybe the rule book should allow referee discretion in this kind of situation but it does not. They failed. Having said that, of course the final 10 seconds don't determine the "entire outcome of the game". I invite anyone to re-watch the game meticulously (and play slow-motion on close calls or controversial plays) and determine better how the game was played and officiated.

[SouthEast Hoops Fan]

Thanks….this was my guess but even more than I guessed.

Official clearly just trying to be immediate on the timeout but you have to see the ball through the net…be immediate on that. Whistle had zero to do with the tip in. That tip in was happening regardless. The tip was tipped before anyone reacted to the whistle.

Refs met and must’ve decided that they made a big mistake OR couldn’t fully agree that his inadvertent whistle was before the tip in (noise)….there was no easy answer or easy way to avoid things like this thread. They went with allowing the tip. Just watching the final happenings I agree with the outcome but per the rules they did the wrong thing IF they thought whistle was audible before tip happened.

The quick whistle left the officials with no path of not being strongly discussed. I feel bad for all 3 officials but that’s from just watching final portion of the game. I do have a final thought but will just leave it be as it isn’t fair to the official that blew the whistle early.

No reason to feel bad about the official. He knew he made a mistake — clear early whistle — and they all 3 made an additional mistake by not abiding by the rule. Simple as that.

It was a no win situation regardless of whether they went by the rules or not. Based on the last 15 seconds, Meigs should’ve won the game.

We will never know if Meigs should have won based on the last 15 seconds. Under the rule, they should have had the ball underneath their own basket with 2.4 or 2.3 seconds left and trailing 45-44.

[SouthEast Hoops Fan]

Not sure how well the audio matches up on the Hudl live stream, but it seems to me that when you hear the whistle the putback is out of the Meigs players hand. Or at least close enough to justify counting the bucket in real-time. Difficult to decipher tho as the hudl audio typically seems to be slightly delayed.

Certainly appears that official was trying to give Marietta the timeout with as much time as possible left but was premature in assuming the initial layup was made.

Tough ending to what sounded like a good game, although as noted previously the final 10 seconds did not determine the entire outcome of the game. JMO as a neutral observer tho.

The whistle was clearly blown before the second shot and if you freeze-frame the play at 2.4 seconds left the referee is signaling timeout. Yes, Marietta wanted the timeout as soon as possible and the officials knew that. Maybe the rule book should allow referee discretion in this kind of situation but it does not. They failed. Having said that, of course the final 10 seconds don't determine the "entire outcome of the game". I invite anyone to re-watch the game meticulously (and play slow-motion on close calls or controversial plays) and determine better how the game was played and officiated.

Hook, ironically I’ve already re-watched this one. I’ve done this with four other games this season where watch again on video and get a “second opinion” on how players, coaches and officials do. Since many considered this the biggest game of the year so far, I chose this one this week, although I’m not from Meigs or Marietta. I’ll have more to write later, with specific times cited throughout the game where pivotal plays and calls occurred. Bottom line for now, this game deserved better.

[Zip31]

Make your free throws

EXCATLY
FREE THROWS WILL WIN THE BALLGAME!!!

GO MEIGS!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Zip31]

I livestream all of the MEIGS GAMES.
just to clarify the whistle, when Meigs inbounded
the BB, the layup didn't go & then the 2nd shot went in, the whistle blew. I watched all morning, that what I heard.

2 great teams Friday night.

Hats off to the Marietta
Have a great rest of your season!!!!!

[Hookshot]

Make your free throws

EXCATLY
FREE THROWS WILL WIN THE BALLGAME!!!

GO MEIGS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Of course if the two free throws are made in the last 17 seconds than Marietta wins. But that doesn't discount the final error, and all of the other plays and calls throughout the game. For example, I thought there might have been a foul on Marietta (judgment call) on the baseline near the basket with about five seconds left. If that was called Tiger fans would have complained. And if the travel would have been called out on the perimeter before the drive to the basket (very slight but the left pivot foot moves) Meigs would have complained. Basketball is such a game of inches and close calls.

[Hookshot]

I livestream all of the MEIGS GAMES.
just to clarify the whistle, when Meigs inbounded
the BB, the layup didn't go & then the 2nd shot went in, the whistle blew. I watched all morning, that what I heard.

2 great teams Friday night.

Hats off to the Marietta
Have a great rest of your season!!!!!

Thanks for doing these games on live-stream. Very helpful. But it is clear the whistle blew before the second field goal attempt (and the referee additionally signaled time out) with 2.4 seconds to go and the ball still in Meigs' hands. I don't think this site allows photos to be published or I would provide for anyone in doubt. Maybe someone else knows how to do that.

[Dundas]

I livestream all of the MEIGS GAMES.
just to clarify the whistle, when Meigs inbounded
the BB, the layup didn't go & then the 2nd shot went in, the whistle blew. I watched all morning, that what I heard.

2 great teams Friday night.

Hats off to the Marietta
Have a great rest of your season!!!!!

Are you the one who blocked me from your Facebook?

[Hookshot]

Make your free throws

EXCATLY
FREE THROWS WILL WIN THE BALLGAME!!!

GO MEIGS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Of course if the two free throws are made in the last 17 seconds then Marietta wins. But that doesn't discount the final error, and all of the other plays and calls throughout the game. For example, I thought there might have been a foul on Marietta (judgment call) on the baseline near the basket with about five seconds left. If that was called Tiger fans would have complained. And if the travel would have been called out on the perimeter before the drive to the basket (very slight but the left pivot foot moves) Meigs would have complained. Basketball is such a game of inches and close calls.

[SouthEast Hoops Fan]

I’ve decided not to outline in detail all of the “close calls” or “missed/bad calls” but there were more than I originally thought. I count 21 in all, with Meigs benefiting 16 times to Marietta’s 5 times. In fairness, that’s just too much of a discrepancy. Not all calls are easy to detect, like a ball dibbled of one player or the other closely guarded along the sideline. But this game had far too many calls going to the home team.

[High Fade]

I’ve decided not to outline in detail all of the “close calls” or “missed/bad calls” but there were more than I originally thought. I count 21 in all, with Meigs benefiting 16 times to Marietta’s 5 times. In fairness, that’s just too much of a discrepancy. Not all calls are easy to detect, like a ball dibbled of one player or the other closely guarded along the sideline. But this game had far too many calls going to the home team.

No dog in the fight here. However as others mentioned it was a competitive game between two solid teams. Attended the game as I felt it was the best game in the area that night. If Marietta makes free throws down the stretch they likely go home with the W.

But you do realize that 2 of the 3 officials are from the Marietta area, right?

[SouthEast Hoops Fan]

I’ve decided not to outline in detail all of the “close calls” or “missed/bad calls” but there were more than I originally thought. I count 21 in all, with Meigs benefiting 16 times to Marietta’s 5 times. In fairness, that’s just too much of a discrepancy. Not all calls are easy to detect, like a ball dibbled of one player or the other closely guarded along the sideline. But this game had far too many calls going to the home team.

No dog in the fight here. However as others mentioned it was a competitive game between two solid teams. Attended the game as I felt it was the best game in the area that night. If Marietta makes free throws down the stretch they likely go home with the W.

But you do realize that 2 of the 3 officials are from the Marietta area, right?

Yes I knew that one of them is from Marietta. I could say a lot more but won’t.

[Ohionut8]

I watched the game, overall I would give this officiating crew a D. I don’t think they were consistent in there calls/ non-calls either way, but wouldn’t have been the reason for either team to lose. Marietta lost due to foul shots not falling, if Meigs would have lost it would have been due to inability to make the open shots they got.
I have seen this particular crew three times this year, let’s just say they would not rank in the top half of crews in SEO officiating.