Warren 70 Meigs 54 a final ...

[pfloyd]

Warren 70
Meigs 54 a final


... Standing Room Only for the game between my #1 the Meigs Marauders & my #3 the Warren Warriors ... great atmosphere ... I usually sit in the cheap seats on the visitors side wherever I go, it eliminates trying to figure out if there are reserved seats and I learn a lot from watching the coaches, staffs & players throughout the game ... I got there early - 5:05 ish ... my seats in the cheap seats were taken by the Meigs faithful! - well played Marauder fans, well played - the seats at the top of the stairs that allow plenty of leg room, no seats in front of you where the dreaded "high back seats can be placed to crowd your legs" LOL ... I ended up on the Warren side - all good ... got to touch bases with the good people in Blue ... lots of friends in sports on the WHS side... was talking to a couple of folks with sons on the Warren JV squad (Warren won the JV game) ... I most often get asked - "Who are you scouting for?" ... I explain that I do game write-ups on SEOPs ... for some, that's enough to turn them away LOL ... others, they ask my thoughts on the game, who I think will win ... I try to be noncommittal in my answer - usually ... tonight I went out on a limb, gave them my take - I had seen Meigs in person vs Fairfield Union, Gallia, Marietta, & Athens - in every instance coming away from the games I felt Meigs struggles vs pressure ... on ball pressure where the ball is taken out of the PG's hands, where the bigs were forced to see the floor, make decisions with the ball ... Warren plays as good of pressure/physical D as you will see -advantage Warren ... Meigs has size - 6-8, 6-5, 6-4, 6-3, 6-0 in the starting lineup with 6-5, 6-6 coming off the bench in the regular rotation ... they eat zones for breakfast inside and outside ... everyone of the first 6 in the rotation can put up double digit points and not bat an eye - man to man, pressure on the ball, physical D is the way to go for 32 minutes - where the bigs have to come out on the floor -away from basket/paint to get the ball, they have to put it on the floor to get to "their spots" - advantage Warren ... playing tight man to man , physical D - you will pick up fouls, it's the nature of the beast - Warren has an 8,9,10 man rotation - advantage Warren ... finally defensively you have to take away Meigs' perimeter looks - the spot up 3's - advantage Warren again as offensively Meigs has to move to get open, moving to get passes ... my take was IF these "keys" were checked off - Warren had the advantage defensively imo ... on the other side of the court - Meigs IS big! Warren had to score ... find shots ... matchups were not great based on height ... on paper it looked tough to be able to get shots in the paint , but Meigs plays a matchup, 3-2 or 1-2-2 zone'ish defense ... after watching the 4 Marauder games in person and others on video - it looked like penetration was the key either with the dribble or the pass - if you can get into the foul line area, you were going to get shots 1) on the perimeter on the wings 2) if you penetrate deeper drawing the 2 bigs to the ball, you had the dish on the blocks ... offensively - all you had to do was "make" the shots that the defense gave you LOL - easier said than done LOL ... Warren 70 Meigs 54 a final ...

... the opening quarter highlighted the defenses ... both turned the opponent over, Meigs with 3 miscues and Warren gifted the Marauders the ball 4 times ... Warren was getting used to the size disadvantage - Jacob Sealey for the Warriors picked up 2 quick fouls as the 5-10 sr. was guarding 6-5 , 6-4 in the paint ... Meigs was at the line for 3 FTs in the period - no points ... Brinager opened the MHS scoring with a drive to the rim 2pts, a Tracy Owens' strip and score 2pts gave the Marauders the lead before Warren could get on the board ... 6-3 sr. Chase Lupardus went up against 6-5, 6-8 in the paint for 2 fgs / 4pts at the rim ... Meigs took a 6-4 lead on 6-3 sr. Landen Dewees' shot at the rim 2pts & a miss on the "and 1" ... Warren answered with sr. Connor Barry dropping 2 three pointers from behind the arc ... Warren 10 Meigs 6 after one ... in the opening quarter, the Warriors number one option sr. Julian Stadelman was held scoreless, missing on a number of perimeter shots (Warren was 2/6 from 3 in the first) ... Meigs did a nice job of taking away driving lanes, and keeping the PG/SG off the napkin stat sheet ... the 2nd qtr opened with the tempo ratcheted up as Warren went into a 3/4 court pressing D, trapping in the half court ... Meigs turned the ball over 7 times in the period ... on ball pressure, getting the ball out of the pg's hands, making the bigs make decisions with the ball - Warren attacked the rim, got to the FT line BUT funny thing about going to the foul line - it's only a help IF you make the FTs ... Warren went 1/8 from the line in the 2nd period ... didn't capitalize on the Meigs miscues ... for Meigs with the Warren struggles at the line, and when they DID get the ball into the front court soph. PG Tracy Owens was able to put up 9 pts in the period/11 for the half ... after 6-4 sr. Cayden Gheen took a WHS turnover to the rim for 2pts ... 6-8 jr Carson Davis knocked down a midrange jumper ... Owens drained a trey 3pts/ followed up by a coast to coast transition bucket 2pts ... Dewees scored in the paint 2pts ... at 4:48 on the clock Meigs led 14-11 ... at 3:31 Meigs 16-13 ... for the Warriors Stadelman kept WHS close with a trey following another Lupardus basket on the blocks 2pts ... 6-5 sr Hayden Wells added a lefthand bucket on the left block 2pts ... Warren 21-16 with 2:17 left in the qtr. ... Meigs/Owens went on a 6-0 run to close out the half - AN Owens transition finish at the rim, AN Owens midrange jumper from the foul line extended, finishing with AN Owens one handed floater in the paint ... Meigs 22 Warren 21 after 2 quarters ... the Warriors trailed at the half but you never really felt like Meigs was in anyway controlling anything in the game - Warren turned Meigs over , Warren shot themselves in the foot as they got to the FT line but didn't convert, as they came away with empty trips vs Meigs getting scoring from Owens (9 pts in the 2nd) BUT again the main offensive threat for MHS - jr Carson Davis was held in check, not getting looks thanks to 6-5 Hayden Wells - pressure D all over the court , 6-8 Davis had 3 pts thru 2 qtrs, 6-5 Reed Brinager 2pts thru 2 qtrs, 6-5 sr. Dustin Vance 0 pts thru 2 qtrs, 6-6 Aaron Tobin 0 pts thru 2 qtrs ... Warren "Bigs" (Lupardus 6-3/6-5 Wells) 9pts vs Meigs' "BIGS" (6-8,6-5,6-5, 6-6) 4pts ... thru 2 qtrs Warren had 9 turnovers vs Meigs' 10 ... I wrote on my napkin stat sheet on the Warren side - "can't get open shots" ... on the Meigs' side - "lots of weapons" ... Warren wasn't getting looks while Meigs' bigs weren't getting points BUT with literally everyone on the floor able to score - Owens (11pts)/ Dewees (4pts)/Gheen (2pts) - Meigs was able to STILL be leading at intermission ... coming out of the locker room Warren was the aggressor both offensively and defensively - Stadelman worked to get HIS shot, an open 3 ball - count it ... Meigs put the ball into the paint - 6-5 Dustin Vance is as strong in the paint as anyone in the district - he's at home in the paint or driving baseline or down the lane - the sr post player muscled his way to the rim for a pair of shots at the rim 4pts ... Carson Davis found the range from deep with a trey 3pts ... for Warren, control meant turning loose the 6-3 Lupardus in the paint, the lefty put up 13 points in the paint - a dominant performance on the blocks, at the rim -muscling his way to the rim or via a Stadelman/Colin Anthony penetrate & dish dime ... once the Warriors were able to get inside it opened up looks on the perimeter as Connor Barry drained his 3rd three of the game ... when the dust settled Warren had a 23-14 advantage in the 3rd ... control of the game ... Warren 44 Meigs 36 after 3 ... the Marauders entered the game at 13-0 ... a 4 point win at Fairfield Union back in early December and a 1 point win over Marietta at Meigs have been the closest contests they have dealt with in this season ... down by 8 with 8 minutes to play , on the road - new territory for the Marauders ... Meigs put on a full court press that vs a veteran team like Warren was not effective as the Warriors took care of the ball - zero turnovers in the final 8 minutes - 9 fgs at the rim in the period for points ...8/12 from the charity stripe in the frame ... Stadelman took control of the ball & the game - putting up 13 points in the period /24 on the night ... Lupardus added 4 pts in the period all at the rim, Wells in addition to doing an outstanding defensive job on the Meigs leading scoring - Carson Davis - put up 5 pts in the qtr and nearly matched Davis' (9pts) with 8 on his own ball ... Colin Anthony at 5-10 ish, spent the biggest part of the 3rd and 4th quarters guarding 6-5 Reed Brinager down in the paint - the Warren PG did an outstanding job as Brinager finished with 10 points on the night- well below his season ppg ... Vance added 8 pts in the qtr for Meigs/12 on the game ... Warren kept the Marauders at arms length keeping the game a double digit game the entire 4th period at 5:36 Warren 52-38 ... 4:53 Warren 54-41 ... 2:15 Warren 64-48 with subs on the floor for both sides ... Warren 70 Meigs 54 a final ...


Pfloyd's official "UN-official" Napkin Stats - Meigs

Scoring ... Owen Tracy 15, Dustin Vance 12, Reed Brinager 10, Carson Davis 9, Cayden Gheen 4, Landen Dewees 4
3 Pointers ... 3/21 … Owen Tracy 1, Carson Davis 1, Reed Brinager 1
FTs ... 7/14 ... 1/6 in the first half ... 2/9 thru 3 qtrs ...
TOs ... 14
PnP ... 16 fgs/ 32 points in the paint
PnT ... 3 fgs/ 6 points in transition
Pbk ... 2 fgs/ 4 points on putback buckets

Pfloyd's official "UN-official" Napkin Stats - Warren

Scoring ... Julian Stadelman 24, Chase Lupardus 23, Connor Barry 9, Hayden Wells 8, Colin Anthony 4, AJ Criss 1, Hudson Elzey 1
3 Pointers ... 6/16 ... Julian Stadelman 3, Connor Barry 3
FTs ... 10/22 ... 1/8 in the 2nd qtr ... 2/10 thru 3 qtrs
TOs ... 10
PnP ... 21 fgs/ 42 points in the paint
PnT ... 4 fgs/8 points in transition
Pbk ... 3 fgs/ 6 points on putback buckets

[Honey Caadwell]

I agree with pfloyd that the refs were bad. Meigs should have offered Howie more money to take that job and they wouldn’t have had to worry about the refs because Howie would have controlled them like he always does. But it’s not too late.

[Katfan]

I agree with pfloyd that the refs were bad. Meigs should have offered Howie more money to take that job and they wouldn’t have had to worry about the refs because Howie would have controlled them like he always does. But it’s not too late.
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I agree with pfloyd that the refs were bad. Meigs should have offered Howie more money to take that job and they wouldn’t have had to worry about the refs because Howie would have controlled them like he always does. But it’s not too late.

I missed that where did PFLOYD say the refs were bad.

[pfloyd]

I agree with pfloyd that the refs were bad. Meigs should have offered Howie more money to take that job and they wouldn’t have had to worry about the refs because Howie would have controlled them like he always does. But it’s not too late.

... nope, never said that the refs were bad ... I even had to go back and read what I posted , since it was 2:51AM when I hit submit, I suppose I could have said about anything LOL ... but nope, even reading between the lines, I didn't say or insinuate that the refs were bad ... with refs, you hope for consistency in calls - I think there was that last night ...

[Sportsfanallnitelong]

You beat me to it Pfloyd……I also had to read your post for the second time to see where you were calling the refs bad. PEOPLE!!! They just don’t get it, sometimes! Honey doesn’t have a clue!!! Pfloyd, nice write up as always…

[peake71]

Didn't see it either. Pfloyd doesn't say hardly anything about the refs. Now me that is different, but Pfloyd is right just be consistent on the calls. Last night for The Peake's game they weren't.

[Whs95fan]

Great all around game, Lupardus took over the paint in the 3rd.

[The Ghost of Swanker]

I agree with pfloyd that the refs were bad. Meigs should have offered Howie more money to take that job and they wouldn’t have had to worry about the refs because Howie would have controlled them like he always does. But it’s not too late.

... nope, never said that the refs were bad ... I even had to go back and read what I posted , since it was 2:51AM when I hit submit, I suppose I could have said about anything LOL ... but nope, even reading between the lines, I didn't say or insinuate that the refs were bad ... with refs, you hope for consistency in calls - I think there was that last night ...

Don’t fall for it. They aren’t worth responding too

[Honey Caadwell]

I agree with pfloyd that the refs were bad. Meigs should have offered Howie more money to take that job and they wouldn’t have had to worry about the refs because Howie would have controlled them like he always does. But it’s not too late.

... nope, never said that the refs were bad ... I even had to go back and read what I posted , since it was 2:51AM when I hit submit, I suppose I could have said about anything LOL ... but nope, even reading between the lines, I didn't say or insinuate that the refs were bad ... with refs, you hope for consistency in calls - I think there was that last night ...

No, you didn’t come right out and say it. But you didn’t have to because the stats you provided clearly reflected that. Apologies for the confusion. Great work on the write up.

[pfloyd]

... we're rolling towards the end of January, all but a few are halfway, more than halfway through their regular season schedule ... I've seen a lot of games, a lot of teams in person, livestream broadcasts, hudl streamed games - even this old man closing in on 70 gleans some insight or has some "opinions" on teams as they've progressed from late November, early December through 9 weeks of the season ... a couple of "pfloyd imo's (in my opinions)" on the teams from last night's game ...

Meigs imo's ... last nights' loss was "needed" ...13-0 entering the game, Meigs obviously has the potential based on the talent/size/ depth at 7 in the rotation to make a nice run in the post season BUT last nights' loss was a good one to "get on film", study, make adjustments from ... Warren exposed weaknesses in the Marauders - ALL fixable! but with any team or group of quality athletes who have played the game, won games being able to get away with flaws in fundamentals - get away with relying on their athletic abilities alone - as a coach, teacher , you have to have "proof" to show the players - "I'm telling you to do this, you say you are, I say you aren't - here's what I'm seeing " - video don't lie ... I have always come away from watching Meigs games feeling that Meigs has all of the size/talent in the world BUT (and there's always a "but") they are just now learning to play the game of basketball - learning where to be in the offense, on defense ... learning is a process of making mistakes, not being satisfied, adjusting your mindset knowing that with my talents/size/abilities IF I make the adjustments I will improve, when I improve individually this helps the whole TEAM collectively ...

Warren imo's ... the beginning of the season was figuring out how to survive without a 6-7, talented big guy in the middle ... having 6-7 in the paint at the back of defenses sure makes life easier on the frontend - mistakes made on the perimeter can be erased by 6-7 in the paint ... 6-7 in the paint who scored 16-18 ppg was also a hurdle to overcome by the 2024-25 edition of the Warriors ... Who singularly or collectively was going to step up on the offensive end? ... as I watched the BBB from December to last nights' game - answers to these questions are coming forward ... the Warrior defense which now can't count on "6-7" in the paint to cover flaws on the front side - is better in many ways than last season's D ... no 6-7 in the paint but (there's that "but" again) there's better front end D, with even better on ball D from the "relative" bigs - Lupardus 6-3, Wells 6-5, Cressey 6-3 the bigs are playing like bigs, not waiting to be "bailed out" by 6-7 ... maturity, realization that THIS IS THEIR time ... it shows on the court, no one is looking for 6-7 to be there, or to show up ... offensively Stadelman is as good of an offensive threat/scorer in the Southeast district as anyone at any position - proven on the court every night out ... Lupardus is THE #2 - IS his OWN threat in the paint , playing outstanding ball in the paint at both ends of the floor - hands/footwork/confidence to go both directions left or right on the blocks ... averaging close to 20ppg & 10 rbpg ... Hayden Wells has earned a starting position , playing like "you ain't taking it away from me ... at both ends of the floor" ... Connor Barry - is earning his minutes by doing Connor Barry "expected" things - scoring the ball on the perimeter ... you have difference makers coming off the bench - Colin Anthony might be the best 6th/7th man around with all that he brings to the table- can shoot the 3, get to the rim, handle the ball, run the offense, rebounds in the paint, harasses offensive players, defends vs bigger size players (last night battling 6-5 in the paint, body on body AND WINNING - Anthony is 5-10, maybe 130 lbs soaking wet ... the bench is legitimately 9 deep ... imo opinion at this point in the season, with all of the transformation from last season's team into what this season's Warriors team has become - Warren IS better than last season's team with room to get better still ... room to improve ...

Improving - never being satisfied ... all teams at this point in the season have to battle complacency - those 12-1, 13-0, perceived as THE teams to beat teams ... the post season is just around the corner ... teams - especially those who are "satisfied" will be the first to go in the "one and done" season ... lots of "learning" to take place before the regular season ends ...

[GoAt 10]

This score line doesn’t surprise me at all. Warren is as advertised and probably kicking themselves for the loss against Marietta.

[pfloyd]

This score line doesn’t surprise me at all. Warren is as advertised and probably kicking themselves for the loss against Marietta.

... imo THIS Warren team is not the same team that played at Marietta and lost by 6 points ... much better all around team that has worked itself into/accepted the new "roles" ... Lupardus is now a scoring threat on the block - he creates space for himself, he can go both directions AND score the ball vs back in the December he was still in the if I get the ball AND I can go to my left (being left handed) I'll do it but otherwise he would kick it back out ... he believes in his ability to score on the block ... last night he completely took over the paint in the 3rd quarter offensively ... every player has matured ... better versions of the themselves, they have improved individually and as a team ... and as I posted there is room for MORE improvement ie. Jacob Sealey needs to stop "trying" "thinking" on the offensive end ... he's getting better but, he needs to go back mentally to when he was relaxed, shot the ball without thinking about whether it goes in or not ... trust the shot, shoot the shot ... guaranteed that coming up through the ranks of biddy ball - he never thought about it, he just shot it ... needs to go back to the biddy ball mind set ... trust himself and let it fly ...