Is Pendleton leaving Ironton?

[FIDO]

Why wouldn't anyone, in any profession, want to set their goals higher than the bottom rung? If he is as great as many seems to believe, it is only natural he'd want to set the bar higher for himself.

If he is content doing what he is doing, then that's his decision to make. I'd like to see him walking on the sidelines on a Satruday, as I do any regional player.

[YOU'RE TIGER BAIT]

exactly fido. keep preachin. to my knowledge the family owns the giovanni's in lucasville and a trucking company. at least that's what i was told. don't quote me on that. just what i was told.ytb.

[YOU'RE TIGER BAIT]

when is there going to be some kind of decision, or contract offer expected to be. it's to important for the program to be in limbo.

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Buckeye Institute is several years behind on salaries. Most coaches contracts in the area are just supplementals and only paid a portion of the base teacher's salary around 20%. Most athletic directors in most schools also have their principal's license and serve as an assistant principal at high schools with AD duties. I highly doubt any school in our tri-state area has just a full time AD. Does anyone know?
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Can we all ignore this poster?

I'm a teacher in the metro Cincy area, and this post is inaccurate on many levels. This poster already has a thread displaying their inability to distinguish facts from their own reality.

Facts:
You DO NOT need a license to be an AD, and I don't know a single Principal/AD, and I've NEVER, in my 20 year career come across one. Sure, there are plenty of AP/AD's, but it has nothing to do with having any sort of license.

It's also called a certificate, not a license. Again, this shows the posters lack of knowledge in the area.

AD's are members of the OIAAA, which is part of a large organization called the NIAAA. AD's earn certificates through LTC courses. These certificates are the RAA, CAA, and CMAA. Guess what the AA stands for? Athletic Administrator.

AD contracts are NOT based on teacher salaries. Most AD's are considered Administrators, and their pay scale is not based on supplemental contracts a specific % of teacher salaries. Coaching salaries do, but not AD's.



Let the poster do their own research. No matter how many posters give this guy facts, he keeps repeating the same line as if it will make it true.

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Buckeye Institute is several years behind on salaries. Most coaches contracts in the area are just supplementals and only paid a portion of the base teacher's salary around 20%. Most athletic directors in most schools also have their principal's license and serve as an assistant principal at high schools with AD duties. I highly doubt any school in our tri-state area has just a full time AD. Does anyone know?

Did Burg have a full-time AD before Woodward became AD/coach?

No, the previous AD at the Burg had his principal’s license and was the assistant principal at the HS. It is just like any job, people should get paid based in their licenses in schools. It takes at least 6 years with a Bachelors and a Master’s degree to have both your Teacher and Administrator license. I would like to know what current teaching/admin licenses all the Ad’s and coaches have at area schools. It shouldn’t matter what they coach. Thats what a supplementals are based on and is only a percentage roughly 20% of what the teacher’s base salary in the district make.

It's a certificate, not a license. AD's also have certification education through LTC courses and experience with the NIAAA. AD's earn their Registered Athletic Administrator, Certified Athletic Administrator, and Certified Master Athletic Administrator certificates.

Supplemental contracts are different for coaches and administrators. You've been told this 100000 times now.

[BurgFan43]

Did Burg have a full-time AD before Woodward became AD/coach?

No, the previous AD at the Burg had his principal’s license and was the assistant principal at the HS. It is just like any job, people should get paid based in their licenses in schools. It takes at least 6 years with a Bachelors and a Master’s degree to have both your Teacher and Administrator license. I would like to know what current teaching/admin licenses all the Ad’s and coaches have at area schools. It shouldn’t matter what they coach. Thats what a supplementals are based on and is only a percentage roughly 20% of what the teacher’s base salary in the district make.

It's a certificate, not a license. AD's also have certification education through LTC courses and experience with the NIAAA. AD's earn their Registered Athletic Administrator, Certified Athletic Administrator, and Certified Master Athletic Administrator certificates.

Supplemental contracts are different for coaches and administrators. You've been told this 100000 times now.

Yes, the LTC and NIAAA are certificate of completion of online coursework. It is like going to the Vo-tech to get your nurse assistant certification rather than being a Licensed Practical Nurse (LPN) or Registered Nurse (Bachelor's of Science in Nursing) for comparison so everyone can understand the difference. To be an administrator, you have to meet the requirements for a principal's or superintendent's license which is a 5 year license through the Ohio Department of Education with a Master's Degree and passing the licensure testing. There is a big difference in a hospital with a nurse assistance and a RN pay due to their education and licenses.

[Ohio1979]

No, the previous AD at the Burg had his principal’s license and was the assistant principal at the HS. It is just like any job, people should get paid based in their licenses in schools. It takes at least 6 years with a Bachelors and a Master’s degree to have both your Teacher and Administrator license. I would like to know what current teaching/admin licenses all the Ad’s and coaches have at area schools. It shouldn’t matter what they coach. Thats what a supplementals are based on and is only a percentage roughly 20% of what the teacher’s base salary in the district make.

It's a certificate, not a license. AD's also have certification education through LTC courses and experience with the NIAAA. AD's earn their Registered Athletic Administrator, Certified Athletic Administrator, and Certified Master Athletic Administrator certificates.

Supplemental contracts are different for coaches and administrators. You've been told this 100000 times now.

Yes, the LTC and NIAAA are certificate of completion of online coursework. It is like going to the Vo-tech to get your nurse assistant certification rather than being a Licensed Practical Nurse (LPN) or Registered Nurse (Bachelor's of Science in Nursing) for comparison so everyone can understand the difference. To be an administrator, you have to meet the requirements for a principal's or superintendent's license which is a 5 year license through the Ohio Department of Education with a Master's Degree and passing the licensure testing. There is a big difference in a hospital with a nurse assistance and a RN due to their education and licenses.

Ive never seen anything like this. Why are you so concerned with the licensure of athletic directors. It makes me wonder about your IQ. Who does it bother by having a person over ATHLETICS not having a teaching license.

[TigersGameDayFan]

It's a certificate, not a license. AD's also have certification education through LTC courses and experience with the NIAAA. AD's earn their Registered Athletic Administrator, Certified Athletic Administrator, and Certified Master Athletic Administrator certificates.

Supplemental contracts are different for coaches and administrators. You've been told this 100000 times now.

Yes, the LTC and NIAAA are certificate of completion of online coursework. It is like going to the Vo-tech to get your nurse assistant certification rather than being a Licensed Practical Nurse (LPN) or Registered Nurse (Bachelor's of Science in Nursing) for comparison so everyone can understand the difference. To be an administrator, you have to meet the requirements for a principal's or superintendent's license which is a 5 year license through the Ohio Department of Education with a Master's Degree and passing the licensure testing. There is a big difference in a hospital with a nurse assistance and a RN due to their education and licenses.

Ive never seen anything like this. Why are you so concerned with the licensure of athletic directors. It makes me wonder about your IQ. Who does it bother by having a person over ATHLETICS not having a teaching license.

They cant beat Ironton, so they are desperately looking for ways to get Coach Pendleton removed. Pretty obvious if you read through most of the post from these guys.

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Yes, the LTC and NIAAA are certificate of completion of online coursework. It is like going to the Vo-tech to get your nurse assistant certification rather than being a Licensed Practical Nurse (LPN) or Registered Nurse (Bachelor's of Science in Nursing) for comparison so everyone can understand the difference. To be an administrator, you have to meet the requirements for a principal's or superintendent's license which is a 5 year license through the Ohio Department of Education with a Master's Degree and passing the licensure testing. There is a big difference in a hospital with a nurse assistance and a RN due to their education and licenses.
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No, it's nothing like that. In fact many LTC courses are built into Masters Programs, much like Ohio Universities where you can earn RAA credits through the NIAAA curriculum that is imbedded into the course work.

You keep reaching for analogies that you're unqualified to make, and if for some odd reason you are in education, you should really have a conversation with anyone who knows what they're talking about.

To get your CAA you have to have 5 years of AD experience, a specific amount of LTC credits, and sit for the CAA exam. The CMAA requires 15 years of experience and again, another exam and more credits.

I have a Principal License/Cert just FYI. I got mine after going through UofCincy program through their Principal Prep Program.

For what it is worth, it take far less time and far less prep to go through a prep program, than it does to get your CAA or CMAA. So no, it's not a LPN v RN situation. In fact, it's far easier to get your Principals cert, than it is to get a CAA or CMAA. It only takes two years teaching experience, the prep program and exam.

You're comparing a Sup and an AD, and I am not sure how we even arrived at this point. Not once has anyone suggested that the Sup isn't the big boss. The only thing that I've disputed is that AD's are administrators, which is 100% accurate. I can tell you when our admins meet once a month, it includes all sups, building principals, AP's, and AD's. Maybe your district doesn't look at it that way, but most districts do.

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It's a certificate, not a license. AD's also have certification education through LTC courses and experience with the NIAAA. AD's earn their Registered Athletic Administrator, Certified Athletic Administrator, and Certified Master Athletic Administrator certificates.

Supplemental contracts are different for coaches and administrators. You've been told this 100000 times now.

Yes, the LTC and NIAAA are certificate of completion of online coursework. It is like going to the Vo-tech to get your nurse assistant certification rather than being a Licensed Practical Nurse (LPN) or Registered Nurse (Bachelor's of Science in Nursing) for comparison so everyone can understand the difference. To be an administrator, you have to meet the requirements for a principal's or superintendent's license which is a 5 year license through the Ohio Department of Education with a Master's Degree and passing the licensure testing. There is a big difference in a hospital with a nurse assistance and a RN due to their education and licenses.

Ive never seen anything like this. Why are you so concerned with the licensure of athletic directors. It makes me wonder about your IQ. Who does it bother by having a person over ATHLETICS not having a teaching license.

I've learned that the internet gives a voice to everyone, including the idiots.

I can assure you that my education degree, student-teaching, etc did nothing to prepare me to run a department, create budgets, evaluate other teachers/coaches, fundraise, schedule transportation-officials-etc, run an athletic event, or hire or fire.

As I've pointed out, the state doesn't require AD's to have any of the suggested credentials that the poster keeps harping on, and the actual certifications they do need are far more difficult to get than a principals license/cert. News flash to the poster on the principals prep program, it can also be done 100% online.

[TigerBob]

It's a certificate, not a license. AD's also have certification education through LTC courses and experience with the NIAAA. AD's earn their Registered Athletic Administrator, Certified Athletic Administrator, and Certified Master Athletic Administrator certificates.

Supplemental contracts are different for coaches and administrators. You've been told this 100000 times now.

Yes, the LTC and NIAAA are certificate of completion of online coursework. It is like going to the Vo-tech to get your nurse assistant certification rather than being a Licensed Practical Nurse (LPN) or Registered Nurse (Bachelor's of Science in Nursing) for comparison so everyone can understand the difference. To be an administrator, you have to meet the requirements for a principal's or superintendent's license which is a 5 year license through the Ohio Department of Education with a Master's Degree and passing the licensure testing. There is a big difference in a hospital with a nurse assistance and a RN due to their education and licenses.

Ive never seen anything like this. Why are you so concerned with the licensure of athletic directors. It makes me wonder about your IQ. Who does it bother by having a person over ATHLETICS not having a teaching license.

Maybe Pendleton can be an RN in addition to AD?

This is a new frontier for Wheelersburg! Tigers may win in football but Pirates win the spreadsheet. Go Budgets Go!

[RBH23]

No, the previous AD at the Burg had his principal’s license and was the assistant principal at the HS. It is just like any job, people should get paid based in their licenses in schools. It takes at least 6 years with a Bachelors and a Master’s degree to have both your Teacher and Administrator license. I would like to know what current teaching/admin licenses all the Ad’s and coaches have at area schools. It shouldn’t matter what they coach. Thats what a supplementals are based on and is only a percentage roughly 20% of what the teacher’s base salary in the district make.

It's a certificate, not a license. AD's also have certification education through LTC courses and experience with the NIAAA. AD's earn their Registered Athletic Administrator, Certified Athletic Administrator, and Certified Master Athletic Administrator certificates.

Supplemental contracts are different for coaches and administrators. You've been told this 100000 times now.

Yes, the LTC and NIAAA are certificate of completion of online coursework. It is like going to the Vo-tech to get your nurse assistant certification rather than being a Licensed Practical Nurse (LPN) or Registered Nurse (Bachelor's of Science in Nursing) for comparison so everyone can understand the difference. To be an administrator, you have to meet the requirements for a principal's or superintendent's license which is a 5 year license through the Ohio Department of Education with a Master's Degree and passing the licensure testing. There is a big difference in a hospital with a nurse assistance and a RN pay due to their education and licenses.

Not sure that’s a good analogy.

Without training and certifications, I would be woefully unprepared to do the work of any type of nurse. Would definitely end up hurting or even killing someone. 100%. Need lots of training, and most importantly, hands on clinical training to do those jobs.

As for being an AD, I could figure that out in short order despite never doing the job before. Definitely a learning curve of some sort, but it’s not rocket science and has little risk of harm. So online certifications, etc should be more than adequate for any AD. Even that seems like overkill to be quite honest.

Applying this to Pendleton, for example: given he can obviously run a football team, and given that he is connected to family businesses (familiar with finances and very basic accounting), I’m sure he’s more than qualified to be Ironton’s AD regardless of education and certifications.

Now AD at a large school in Ohio? Would require full time focus and the ability to manage and schmooze donors, etc, but again, something that really doesn’t require significant training other than making sure you can check the boxes required by the state.

[BurgFan43]

It's a certificate, not a license. AD's also have certification education through LTC courses and experience with the NIAAA. AD's earn their Registered Athletic Administrator, Certified Athletic Administrator, and Certified Master Athletic Administrator certificates.

Supplemental contracts are different for coaches and administrators. You've been told this 100000 times now.

Yes, the LTC and NIAAA are certificate of completion of online coursework. It is like going to the Vo-tech to get your nurse assistant certification rather than being a Licensed Practical Nurse (LPN) or Registered Nurse (Bachelor's of Science in Nursing) for comparison so everyone can understand the difference. To be an administrator, you have to meet the requirements for a principal's or superintendent's license which is a 5 year license through the Ohio Department of Education with a Master's Degree and passing the licensure testing. There is a big difference in a hospital with a nurse assistance and a RN pay due to their education and licenses.

Not sure that’s a good analogy.

Without training and certifications, I would be woefully unprepared to do the work of any type of nurse. Would definitely end up hurting or even killing someone. 100%. Need lots of training, and most importantly, hands on clinical training to do those jobs.

As for being an AD, I could figure that out in short order despite never doing the job before. Definitely a learning curve of some sort, but it’s not rocket science and has little risk of harm. So online certifications, etc should be more than adequate for any AD. Even that seems like overkill to be quite honest.

Applying this to Pendleton, for example: given he can obviously run a football team, and given that he is connected to family businesses (familiar with finances and very basic accounting), I’m sure he’s more than qualified to be Ironton’s AD regardless of education and certifications.

Now AD at a large school in Ohio? Would require full time focus and the ability to manage and schmooze donors, etc, but again, something that really doesn’t require significant training other than making sure you can check the boxes required by the state.

It was actually a comparison of someone with a certification “nurse assistant” and a licensed professional such as an LPN or RN. You are right, you definitely want the licensed professional to take care of the job properly. I believe most schools have a treasurer who take care of all the finances other than counting the money from gates at ballgames. I believe there is even a license for a treasurer since there are audits from the state for every penny spent in state and local funds. That was my original question was who had a stand alone AD in SEO and then the conversation went to two threads. We don’t have any really large districts I don’t believe in SEO land with multiple junior and high schools to manage. I guess FAO conference schools do but I can’t find anyone else.

[Jason Vorhees]

Yes, the LTC and NIAAA are certificate of completion of online coursework. It is like going to the Vo-tech to get your nurse assistant certification rather than being a Licensed Practical Nurse (LPN) or Registered Nurse (Bachelor's of Science in Nursing) for comparison so everyone can understand the difference. To be an administrator, you have to meet the requirements for a principal's or superintendent's license which is a 5 year license through the Ohio Department of Education with a Master's Degree and passing the licensure testing. There is a big difference in a hospital with a nurse assistance and a RN pay due to their education and licenses.

Not sure that’s a good analogy.

Without training and certifications, I would be woefully unprepared to do the work of any type of nurse. Would definitely end up hurting or even killing someone. 100%. Need lots of training, and most importantly, hands on clinical training to do those jobs.

As for being an AD, I could figure that out in short order despite never doing the job before. Definitely a learning curve of some sort, but it’s not rocket science and has little risk of harm. So online certifications, etc should be more than adequate for any AD. Even that seems like overkill to be quite honest.

Applying this to Pendleton, for example: given he can obviously run a football team, and given that he is connected to family businesses (familiar with finances and very basic accounting), I’m sure he’s more than qualified to be Ironton’s AD regardless of education and certifications.

Now AD at a large school in Ohio? Would require full time focus and the ability to manage and schmooze donors, etc, but again, something that really doesn’t require significant training other than making sure you can check the boxes required by the state.

It was actually a comparison of someone with a certification “nurse assistant” and a licensed professional such as an LPN or RN. You are right, you definitely want the licensed professional to take care of the job properly. I believe most schools have a treasurer who take care of all the finances other than counting the money from gates at ballgames. I believe there is even a license for a treasurer since there are audits from the state for every penny spent in state and local funds. That was my original question was who had a stand alone AD in SEO and then the conversation went to two threads. We don’t have any really large districts I don’t believe in SEO land with multiple junior and high schools to manage. I guess FAO conference schools do but I can’t find anyone else.

What’s it really matter? This is one of the most asinine things that I have ever read on here in 20 years. I’ll break it down and make it very simple for you. Every school is required for every single person that works around children to have certification in that respective area. Even volunteers (I.E., coaching volunteers) to have a pupil activity certification. Some areas, such as Academics, require state licensure for that area.

Also, some schools in SE Ohio have stand alone AD’s and some don’t because their annual budget ALLOWS that. It’s that basic and that simple. I’m venturing to say that the larger the school, the larger the budget, and use deductive reasoning from there. There’s also resources to look this up on your own, such as district websites to figure this out on your own rather than just driveling along.

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What’s it really matter? This is one of the most asinine things that I have ever read on here in 20 years. I’ll break it down and make it very simple for you. Every school is required for every single person that works around children to have certification in that respective area. Even volunteers (I.E., coaching volunteers) to have a pupil activity certification. Some areas, such as Academics, require state licensure for that area.

Also, some schools in SE Ohio have stand alone AD’s and some don’t because their annual budget ALLOWS that. It’s that basic and that simple. I’m venturing to say that the larger the school, the larger the budget, and use deductive reasoning from there. There’s also resources to look this up on your own, such as district websites to figure this out on your own rather than just driveling along.
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Thank you. I've tried to not be insulting, but that poster is a moron.

No matter how many people tell him that what he "thinks" and what is reality are two different things.

A treasurer? Is he really calling a bookkeeper a treasurer? Is this student-government class? No, I have never witnessed a bookkeeper show up to an athletic event and collect gate receipts. You are literally required by both the OHSAA and the state to keep your books accurate for all student activities, because you will at some point be audited, internally or externally. The AD collects the gate receipts, usually at half or in the third quarter, depending on the athletic event, and the volunteer and the AD count it together. Often times at large events, the sheriff working the event will also accompany gate workers. I have game managed probably 50 times in my 20 year career, and I am always responsible for collecting the money box, counting after the volunteers, and singing the reconcile sheet for tickets sold v money collected and getting the change out. The next day in some districts the AD will deposit the money, and in others it will go to the bookkeeper who then sends it off to the district finance director. That's the process.

The Colorado High School Athletic Association did a study in 2022 that said nearly 75% of AD's in the state have an advanced degree (masters or better), and that 41% have an RAA certification or better (Meaning they have 12 LTC credits, and at least two years of AD experience). These individuals are trained to interact with student-athletes, coaches, parents, officials, and the public. Saying that a teacher is an RN and an AD is an LPN or a secretary is wild. Literally the only person in my adult life to make that analogy.

The poster obviously has an axe to grind with Ironton, it doesn't take an investigative expert to figure it out. All of their posts are geared towards Pendleton and the Ironton district and proving that they're wasting resources on him as an AD. Why he cares? I don't know. Maybe the burg should follow because they've seen their coaches leave recently to Ironton and Chesapeake. Maybe if they took their athletic programs a little more serious this wouldn't be happening. Wheelersburg used to be a department that was feared in SEO, and from the people I know in the area, this is no longer the case.

Thank you for using common sense with the poster and trying your best to explain it like a "for dummies" book. Respect.

[RBH23]

What’s it really matter? This is one of the most asinine things that I have ever read on here in 20 years. I’ll break it down and make it very simple for you. Every school is required for every single person that works around children to have certification in that respective area. Even volunteers (I.E., coaching volunteers) to have a pupil activity certification. Some areas, such as Academics, require state licensure for that area.

Also, some schools in SE Ohio have stand alone AD’s and some don’t because their annual budget ALLOWS that. It’s that basic and that simple. I’m venturing to say that the larger the school, the larger the budget, and use deductive reasoning from there. There’s also resources to look this up on your own, such as district websites to figure this out on your own rather than just driveling along.
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Thank you. I've tried to not be insulting, but that poster is a moron.

No matter how many people tell him that what he "thinks" and what is reality are two different things.

A treasurer? Is he really calling a bookkeeper a treasurer? Is this student-government class? No, I have never witnessed a bookkeeper show up to an athletic event and collect gate receipts. You are literally required by both the OHSAA and the state to keep your books accurate for all student activities, because you will at some point be audited, internally or externally. The AD collects the gate receipts, usually at half or in the third quarter, depending on the athletic event, and the volunteer and the AD count it together. Often times at large events, the sheriff working the event will also accompany gate workers. I have game managed probably 50 times in my 20 year career, and I am always responsible for collecting the money box, counting after the volunteers, and singing the reconcile sheet for tickets sold v money collected and getting the change out. The next day in some districts the AD will deposit the money, and in others it will go to the bookkeeper who then sends it off to the district finance director. That's the process.

The Colorado High School Athletic Association did a study in 2022 that said nearly 75% of AD's in the state have an advanced degree (masters or better), and that 41% have an RAA certification or better (Meaning they have 12 LTC credits, and at least two years of AD experience). These individuals are trained to interact with student-athletes, coaches, parents, officials, and the public. Saying that a teacher is an RN and an AD is an LPN or a secretary is wild. Literally the only person in my adult life to make that analogy.

The poster obviously has an axe to grind with Ironton, it doesn't take an investigative expert to figure it out. All of their posts are geared towards Pendleton and the Ironton district and proving that they're wasting resources on him as an AD. Why he cares? I don't know. Maybe the burg should follow because they've seen their coaches leave recently to Ironton and Chesapeake. Maybe if they took their athletic programs a little more serious this wouldn't be happening. Wheelersburg used to be a department that was feared in SEO, and from the people I know in the area, this is no longer the case.

Thank you for using common sense with the poster and trying your best to explain it like a "for dummies" book. Respect.
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I went to Burg, and even I agree that this is a weird discussion. And if the purpose of this is to claim Pendleton is not qualified to be AD at Ironton, that’s silly. These are small school departments. Again, not rocket science.

As for “Wheelersburg used to be a department that we feared in SEO”, who the he!! fears an athletic department? When I played at Burg, I didn’t even know we had an AD or department; definitely didn’t think about other schools’ ADs and departments. To say you use to fear Burg’s is as bizarre as this entire AD conversation and thread.

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What’s it really matter? This is one of the most asinine things that I have ever read on here in 20 years. I’ll break it down and make it very simple for you. Every school is required for every single person that works around children to have certification in that respective area. Even volunteers (I.E., coaching volunteers) to have a pupil activity certification. Some areas, such as Academics, require state licensure for that area.

Also, some schools in SE Ohio have stand alone AD’s and some don’t because their annual budget ALLOWS that. It’s that basic and that simple. I’m venturing to say that the larger the school, the larger the budget, and use deductive reasoning from there. There’s also resources to look this up on your own, such as district websites to figure this out on your own rather than just driveling along.

Thank you. I've tried to not be insulting, but that poster is a moron.

No matter how many people tell him that what he "thinks" and what is reality are two different things.

A treasurer? Is he really calling a bookkeeper a treasurer? Is this student-government class? No, I have never witnessed a bookkeeper show up to an athletic event and collect gate receipts. You are literally required by both the OHSAA and the state to keep your books accurate for all student activities, because you will at some point be audited, internally or externally. The AD collects the gate receipts, usually at half or in the third quarter, depending on the athletic event, and the volunteer and the AD count it together. Often times at large events, the sheriff working the event will also accompany gate workers. I have game managed probably 50 times in my 20 year career, and I am always responsible for collecting the money box, counting after the volunteers, and singing the reconcile sheet for tickets sold v money collected and getting the change out. The next day in some districts the AD will deposit the money, and in others it will go to the bookkeeper who then sends it off to the district finance director. That's the process.

The Colorado High School Athletic Association did a study in 2022 that said nearly 75% of AD's in the state have an advanced degree (masters or better), and that 41% have an RAA certification or better (Meaning they have 12 LTC credits, and at least two years of AD experience). These individuals are trained to interact with student-athletes, coaches, parents, officials, and the public. Saying that a teacher is an RN and an AD is an LPN or a secretary is wild. Literally the only person in my adult life to make that analogy.

The poster obviously has an axe to grind with Ironton, it doesn't take an investigative expert to figure it out. All of their posts are geared towards Pendleton and the Ironton district and proving that they're wasting resources on him as an AD. Why he cares? I don't know. Maybe the burg should follow because they've seen their coaches leave recently to Ironton and Chesapeake. Maybe if they took their athletic programs a little more serious this wouldn't be happening. Wheelersburg used to be a department that was feared in SEO, and from the people I know in the area, this is no longer the case.

Thank you for using common sense with the poster and trying your best to explain it like a "for dummies" book. Respect.
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I went to Burg, and even I agree that this is a weird discussion. And if the purpose of this is to claim Pendleton is not qualified to be AD at Ironton, that’s silly. These are small school departments. Again, not rocket science.

As for “Wheelersburg used to be a department that we feared in SEO”, who the he!! fears an athletic department? When I played at Burg, I didn’t even know we had an AD or department; definitely didn’t think about other schools’ ADs and departments. To say you use to fear Burg’s is as bizarre as this entire AD conversation and thread.
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I meant Athletic Programs, sorry, hard to type of the phone sometimes. Used to fear the athletic programs at the Burg. That's not bizarre at all, but I see why my language caused confusion.

[RBH23]

What’s it really matter? This is one of the most asinine things that I have ever read on here in 20 years. I’ll break it down and make it very simple for you. Every school is required for every single person that works around children to have certification in that respective area. Even volunteers (I.E., coaching volunteers) to have a pupil activity certification. Some areas, such as Academics, require state licensure for that area.

Also, some schools in SE Ohio have stand alone AD’s and some don’t because their annual budget ALLOWS that. It’s that basic and that simple. I’m venturing to say that the larger the school, the larger the budget, and use deductive reasoning from there. There’s also resources to look this up on your own, such as district websites to figure this out on your own rather than just driveling along.

Thank you. I've tried to not be insulting, but that poster is a moron.

No matter how many people tell him that what he "thinks" and what is reality are two different things.

A treasurer? Is he really calling a bookkeeper a treasurer? Is this student-government class? No, I have never witnessed a bookkeeper show up to an athletic event and collect gate receipts. You are literally required by both the OHSAA and the state to keep your books accurate for all student activities, because you will at some point be audited, internally or externally. The AD collects the gate receipts, usually at half or in the third quarter, depending on the athletic event, and the volunteer and the AD count it together. Often times at large events, the sheriff working the event will also accompany gate workers. I have game managed probably 50 times in my 20 year career, and I am always responsible for collecting the money box, counting after the volunteers, and singing the reconcile sheet for tickets sold v money collected and getting the change out. The next day in some districts the AD will deposit the money, and in others it will go to the bookkeeper who then sends it off to the district finance director. That's the process.

The Colorado High School Athletic Association did a study in 2022 that said nearly 75% of AD's in the state have an advanced degree (masters or better), and that 41% have an RAA certification or better (Meaning they have 12 LTC credits, and at least two years of AD experience). These individuals are trained to interact with student-athletes, coaches, parents, officials, and the public. Saying that a teacher is an RN and an AD is an LPN or a secretary is wild. Literally the only person in my adult life to make that analogy.

The poster obviously has an axe to grind with Ironton, it doesn't take an investigative expert to figure it out. All of their posts are geared towards Pendleton and the Ironton district and proving that they're wasting resources on him as an AD. Why he cares? I don't know. Maybe the burg should follow because they've seen their coaches leave recently to Ironton and Chesapeake. Maybe if they took their athletic programs a little more serious this wouldn't be happening. Wheelersburg used to be a department that was feared in SEO, and from the people I know in the area, this is no longer the case.

Thank you for using common sense with the poster and trying your best to explain it like a "for dummies" book. Respect.

I went to Burg, and even I agree that this is a weird discussion. And if the purpose of this is to claim Pendleton is not qualified to be AD at Ironton, that’s silly. These are small school departments. Again, not rocket science.

As for “Wheelersburg used to be a department that we feared in SEO”, who the he!! fears an athletic department? When I played at Burg, I didn’t even know we had an AD or department; definitely didn’t think about other schools’ ADs and departments. To say you use to fear Burg’s is as bizarre as this entire AD conversation and thread.
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I meant Athletic Programs, sorry, hard to type of the phone sometimes. Used to fear the athletic programs at the Burg. That's not bizarre at all, but I see why my language caused confusion.
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Sorry but that’s not much better. Who the he!! fears another high school team? This is high school team sports, not stepping into the ring to face Mike Tyson in his prime.

Maybe this fear of competition is a new phenomenon, but I assure you this did not exist (none of our competitors feared us, or us them) when I played, and my class was extremely good at football and basketball! We rarely lost in either sport.

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Sorry but that’s not much better. Who the he!! fears another high school team? This is high school team sports, not stepping into the ring to face Mike Tyson in his prime.

Maybe this fear of competition is a new phenomenon, but I assure you this did not exist (none of our competitors feared us, or us them) when I played, and my class was extremely good at football and basketball! We rarely lost in either sport.
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Yeah I am not sure what you're arguing at this point.

As someone who went to school in lawrence county, we always knew that Wheelersburg would be really really good in just about every sport.

It's a very common phrase and common language. It's simply a term of endearment. I am paying the burg compliment, Jesus/

If anything, you're being bazar now if someone saying that a good program is feared. Why do you think the OVC wanted Ironton our of the conference. I can assure you it had something to do with fear of their program.

I can assure you when my school plays Cin. Moeller or Elder, we have a level of "fear" or for better terms respect for all of their programs, on a much different level than others.

Geesh, I think some of you just enjoy arguing

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Sorry but that’s not much better. Who the he!! fears another high school team? This is high school team sports, not stepping into the ring to face Mike Tyson in his prime.

Maybe this fear of competition is a new phenomenon, but I assure you this did not exist (none of our competitors feared us, or us them) when I played, and my class was extremely good at football and basketball! We rarely lost in either sport.

Yeah I am not sure what you're arguing at this point.

As someone who went to school in lawrence county, we always knew that Wheelersburg would be really really good in just about every sport.

It's a very common phrase and common language. It's simply a term of endearment. I am paying the burg compliment, Jesus/

If anything, you're being bazar now if someone saying that a good program is feared. Why do you think the OVC wanted Ironton our of the conference. I can assure you it had something to do with fear of their program.

I can assure you when my school plays Cin. Moeller or Elder, we have a level of "fear" or for better terms respect for all of their programs, on a much different level than others.

Geesh, I think some of you just enjoy arguing
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Fear and respect are two different words. And if you equate the two, not sure you are paying Burg a compliment by saying we no longer fear (ie respect) them.

That said, maybe this is an age thing. I see “fear” used a lot on this site as in “we don’t fear them” or “everyone fears us.” That’s stuff I never heard growing up when it came to high school sports. Again, we are talking high school sports, not Mike Tyson in the ring. At the high school level, the only thing we feared was the wrath of coach Miller.

Now there was an exception to this. Cheerleaders would create posters using words like fear, etc. So I guess I stand corrected. Cheerleaders spoke like that. LOL!!