AD/Head Coaches

[BurgFan43]

I agree that education of students have to come first. Priorities are reflected on the state report cards on how schools are doing with growth, achievement, and graduation rates. The goal is to be a 5 star high school. Check your school out and see how they are performing.

If my school produced people dumb enough to think the AD at a FBS school made less than $50,000, I would be concerned.

Yeah, Dr. Spears at Marshall has his Master’s Degree in public administration and his Doctor’s degree from Ohio State. He has a lot of credentials other than a certificate of completion of an online course program. I admit I should have not trusted AI for that information. Imagine that… universities hire Athletic Directors with university degrees and even doctorates in Administration.

That’s why he has an athletic director position at the college level. Teachers are paid on credentials, why not any other position?? A teacher gets base pay with a Bachelors, additional with a Masters, and the top with Masters plus 15. Some schools even pay more if they have a doctorate degree in some places.

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Yeah, Dr. Spears at Marshall has his Master’s Degree in public administration and his Doctor’s degree from Ohio State. He has a lot of credentials other than a certificate of completion of an online course program. I admit I should have not trusted AI for that information. Imagine that… universities hire Athletic Directors with university degrees and even doctorates in Administration.

That’s why he has an athletic director position at the college level. Teachers are paid on credentials, why not any other position?? A teacher gets base pay with a Bachelors, additional with a Masters, and the top with Masters plus 15. Some schools even pay more if they have a doctorate degree in some places.
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This entire conversation would have been far easier on everyone if you would have been honest from the beginning and said you had no idea how any of it worked and that you were using AI to answer your questions. Instead you insisted on acting like you were in a position of knowledge, and it's clear you're still taking this stance despite relying on AI for your answers.


Take care and please stay a million miles away from anything education.

[BurgFan43]

Yeah, Dr. Spears at Marshall has his Master’s Degree in public administration and his Doctor’s degree from Ohio State. He has a lot of credentials other than a certificate of completion of an online course program. I admit I should have not trusted AI for that information. Imagine that… universities hire Athletic Directors with university degrees and even doctorates in Administration.

That’s why he has an athletic director position at the college level. Teachers are paid on credentials, why not any other position?? A teacher gets base pay with a Bachelors, additional with a Masters, and the top with Masters plus 15. Some schools even pay more if they have a doctorate degree in some places.
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This entire conversation would have been far easier on everyone if you would have been honest from the beginning and said you had no idea how any of it worked and that you were using AI to answer your questions. Instead you insisted on acting like you were in a position of knowledge, and it's clear you're still taking this stance despite relying on AI for your answers.


Take care and please stay a million miles away from anything education.
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I assure you that I only did a Google to search to see what a local university’s athletic director salary was. I have extensive knowledge on every other aspect to our conversation here without any internet needed. I can also assure you that I am not related to nor have any friends who are or aspire to be an AD. Can you say the same??

You don’t even know the correct terminology between someone who is a certified employee and a licensed employee in a school system in the state of Ohio. Higher Education institutions require AD to have administration degrees for the positions, why should it be different in High Schools??

[TigerBob]

Higher Education institutions require AD to have administration degrees for the positions, why should it be different in High Schools??

Marshall’s athletic budget is between $35-$40 million. The budget for the entire Ironton district is around 40% of that. This question is so stupid that I can only assume you’re joking.

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I assure you that I only did a Google to search to see what a local university’s athletic director salary was. I have extensive knowledge on every other aspect to our conversation here without any internet needed. I can also assure you that I am not related to nor have any friends who are or aspire to be an AD. Can you say the same??

You don’t even know the correct terminology between someone who is a certified employee and a licensed employee in a school system in the state of Ohio. Higher Education institutions require AD to have administration degrees for the positions, why should it be different in High Schools??
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You have zero knowledge of anything related to education outside of what you googled.

I am an educator. I have been one for 20 years. The license and certs you keep referring to, I have. The fact you've called LTC credits vocational school credits tells me all I need to know.

My question remains the same, why do you care so much? Especially if your school is a supplemental contract, I'd stay 10000 miles away from that position. You want to know why most AD's in Lawrence County don't have admin degrees, because you pay them 10k (I also have no data to support they don't have admin degrees). Another reason, posters who like you who have called them glorified secretaries.

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Marshall’s athletic budget is between $35-$40 million. The budget for the entire Ironton district is around 40% of that. This question is so stupid that I can only assume you’re joking.
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The poster is 100% serious.

Marshall AD makes $315k and the poster is complaining that making 10-12k is too much for AD's.

I can also tell you that a Principal prep program DOES NOT teach you how to be an AD either.

Best part of all of this is the irony that is lost on the poster. AD's should have admin degrees like the AD's in college who make 300k+. Oh btw, paying a high school AD 10k is too much, and they're basically secretaries. I'd def want to be an AD at Wheelersburg with people in my community that feel that way lol.

[BurgFan43]

Marshall’s athletic budget is between $35-$40 million. The budget for the entire Ironton district is around 40% of that. This question is so stupid that I can only assume you’re joking.

The poster is 100% serious.

Marshall AD makes $315k and the poster is complaining that making 10-12k is too much for AD's.

I can also tell you that a Principal prep program DOES NOT teach you how to be an AD either.

Best part of all of this is the irony that is lost on the poster. AD's should have admin degrees like the AD's in college who make 300k+. Oh btw, paying a high school AD 10k is too much, and they're basically secretaries. I'd def want to be an AD at Wheelersburg with people in my community that feel that way lol.
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You forgot to answer the question if you have any family or friends who is an AD. Just a friendly reminder to answer the question addressed to you.

[Crab's Brother]

The ability to quote a post seems impossible in this thread.

[BurgFan43]

I assure you that I only did a Google to search to see what a local university’s athletic director salary was. I have extensive knowledge on every other aspect to our conversation here without any internet needed. I can also assure you that I am not related to nor have any friends who are or aspire to be an AD. Can you say the same??

You don’t even know the correct terminology between someone who is a certified employee and a licensed employee in a school system in the state of Ohio. Higher Education institutions require AD to have administration degrees for the positions, why should it be different in High Schools??

You have zero knowledge of anything related to education outside of what you googled.

I am an educator. I have been one for 20 years. The license and certs you keep referring to, I have. The fact you've called LTC credits vocational school credits tells me all I need to know.

My question remains the same, why do you care so much? Especially if your school is a supplemental contract, I'd stay 10000 miles away from that position. You want to know why most AD's in Lawrence County don't have admin degrees, because you pay them 10k (I also have no data to support they don't have admin degrees). Another reason, posters who like you who have called them glorified secretaries.
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I originally just asked the question of who has a stand alone AD in the SEO region if you remember correctly. I was dumbfounded when a buddy of mine said there are schools in SE Ohio that has them. There was never a single school mentioned other than there are a few schools. I just don’t see any schools with a student population large enough to support one and has a large number of teams and facilities in a single district. Most of the AD’s I was aware of are assistant principals for their main contract job with the district during the school day and AD as a supplemental pay to pay them for time spent at sporting events in the evenings. What does an AD do all day if they don’t have a teaching or administration license?? You can’t teach because you don’t have a license. I understand you may have to call to confirm officials and count the gate money to deposit for your treasurer’s office. Your transportation director takes care of the buses. Your maintenance department takes care of the grounds. Your custodians cleans up the gyms and rooms. I guess I find it more
Important for a child to have the curriculum to get that high ACT/SAT score to get that guaranteed Academic scholarship and ensure they get the best education possible with great teachers who are paid well in comparison to others in this region.

[TigerBob]

Funny how your buddy only mentioned this and you made your post AFTER other posts were made about Ironton's AD! Wow!

Let's say your HS assistant principal job is open and you have two candidates. One would be a great assistant principal and probably future principal but would be a terrible AD. They know next to nothing about sports and aren't interested. The other would be a not so great assistant principal but could be an adequate AD as they are a former coach. Which one do you hire? If you make the assistant principal be AD, you have to hire the bad assistant principal. Sounds like a dumb way to run a school.

Bottom line is someone has to be the AD and that someone will be paid. You can pay someone the $10-$15k it takes as a "supplemental" job with the understanding that if something goes wrong during the school day, it will need to be taken care of. Teaching a math lesson when your football officials call off at noon Friday due to being sick? Better cut that lesson off! Counting money when you could be evaluating teachers or meeting with students? You'll get to it later!

The money you pay a full time AD above a supplemental AD is probably $40k-$50k. A nice chunk of change, no doubt, but not exactly a world changing sum for schools with $10M or more budgets. Certainly not enough to go from poorly paid teachers to high paid teachers.

As for what they do during the day, I'm sure it's a variety of duties. Maybe take a little off the transportation director by checking busses. Take a little off maintenance by checking locker rooms. Take a little off admin by fielding phone calls about athletics. Contacting sponsors. Coordinating schedules for practice. Publishing info for media. Contacting colleges about recruiting. Getting money ready for taking tickets that night. Counting money from last night and making deposits. Filling out forms for purchases. Checking eligibility requirements. Checking athlete grades and discipline. Meeting with athletes about sagging grades and discipline. Nothing that individually takes all day, but stack those on top of each other on a daily basis, and I'm sure you can stay busy.

[enigmaax]

Funny how your buddy only mentioned this and you made your post AFTER other posts were made about Ironton's AD! Wow!

Let's say your HS assistant principal job is open and you have two candidates. One would be a great assistant principal and probably future principal but would be a terrible AD. They know next to nothing about sports and aren't interested. The other would be a not so great assistant principal but could be an adequate AD as they are a former coach. Which one do you hire? If you make the assistant principal be AD, you have to hire the bad assistant principal. Sounds like a dumb way to run a school.

Bottom line is someone has to be the AD and that someone will be paid. You can pay someone the $10-$15k it takes as a "supplemental" job with the understanding that if something goes wrong during the school day, it will need to be taken care of. Teaching a math lesson when your football officials call off at noon Friday due to being sick? Better cut that lesson off! Counting money when you could be evaluating teachers or meeting with students? You'll get to it later!

The money you pay a full time AD above a supplemental AD is probably $40k-$50k. A nice chunk of change, no doubt, but not exactly a world changing sum for schools with $10M or more budgets. Certainly not enough to go from poorly paid teachers to high paid teachers.

As for what they do during the day, I'm sure it's a variety of duties. Maybe take a little off the transportation director by checking busses. Take a little off maintenance by checking locker rooms. Take a little off admin by fielding phone calls about athletics. Contacting sponsors. Coordinating schedules for practice. Publishing info for media. Contacting colleges about recruiting. Getting money ready for taking tickets that night. Counting money from last night and making deposits. Filling out forms for purchases. Checking eligibility requirements. Checking athlete grades and discipline. Meeting with athletes about sagging grades and discipline. Nothing that individually takes all day, but stack those on top of each other on a daily basis, and I'm sure you can stay busy.

None of this even mentions that ADs usually attend - and are working in some capacity - nearly every sporting event. It’s not a 7a-3p job.

[BurgFan43]

Funny how your buddy only mentioned this and you made your post AFTER other posts were made about Ironton's AD! Wow!

Let's say your HS assistant principal job is open and you have two candidates. One would be a great assistant principal and probably future principal but would be a terrible AD. They know next to nothing about sports and aren't interested. The other would be a not so great assistant principal but could be an adequate AD as they are a former coach. Which one do you hire? If you make the assistant principal be AD, you have to hire the bad assistant principal. Sounds like a dumb way to run a school.

Bottom line is someone has to be the AD and that someone will be paid. You can pay someone the $10-$15k it takes as a "supplemental" job with the understanding that if something goes wrong during the school day, it will need to be taken care of. Teaching a math lesson when your football officials call off at noon Friday due to being sick? Better cut that lesson off! Counting money when you could be evaluating teachers or meeting with students? You'll get to it later!

The money you pay a full time AD above a supplemental AD is probably $40k-$50k. A nice chunk of change, no doubt, but not exactly a world changing sum for schools with $10M or more budgets. Certainly not enough to go from poorly paid teachers to high paid teachers.

As for what they do during the day, I'm sure it's a variety of duties. Maybe take a little off the transportation director by checking busses. Take a little off maintenance by checking locker rooms. Take a little off admin by fielding phone calls about athletics. Contacting sponsors. Coordinating schedules for practice. Publishing info for media. Contacting colleges about recruiting. Getting money ready for taking tickets that night. Counting money from last night and making deposits. Filling out forms for purchases. Checking eligibility requirements. Checking athlete grades and discipline. Meeting with athletes about sagging grades and discipline. Nothing that individually takes all day, but stack those on top of each other on a daily basis, and I'm sure you can stay busy.

I assure you that not every conversation is a direction in which you perceive it to be aimed at. To address your questions toward me, I agree you hire the most qualified person for any position you have open. Any job posted has a list of qualifications and responsibilities as with any job. It also says what the position pays as per the teacher contract with the board. I would definitely say you want the best people in your principal positions to be the educational leaders of your building.

As to your other questions, the bus drivers have a union. I am sure there are protocols of how extras trips are assigned by the transportation director. I am not to say the AD wouldn’t make contact with a transportation supervisor if a trip would need to be changed. It is still all handled by the director after one phone call. Officials have conference assigners to filter out jobs to available refs. Once again, if someone cancels then it is a contact to one person to fills it if it all possible. Now, junior high would be different if the AD covers Middle School as well. I am sure the custodial staff is expected to clean the locker rooms and sanitize those as well since there are protocols for cleaning now. Most schools have a head of custodial staff and they all have a schedule. I am sure there is a schedule of gyms and facilities for scheduling. Most schools have a live calendar to show what and when any room in each building is available. Checking grades and meeting with kids is the guidance counselor’s job since the AD didn’t know requirements and can’t meet with teachers/students about grades due to not be a principal or assistant principal. There is a chain of command for those duties.
I assume all of your buildings have adequate staff to meet the needs of the students. You say 40-50k isn’t much but that is the salary of a teacher who could be teaching each and every day. It also could be a large portion of a payment on a new curriculum for ones that schools have in them now that are 5-10-15 years old or older.

Education should be #1 before anything else. We have heard many years now how schools are inadequately funded. I am glad we still have sports programs because there are many schools across Ohio having to cut programs due to budget issues.

[BurgFan43]

Funny how your buddy only mentioned this and you made your post AFTER other posts were made about Ironton's AD! Wow!

Let's say your HS assistant principal job is open and you have two candidates. One would be a great assistant principal and probably future principal but would be a terrible AD. They know next to nothing about sports and aren't interested. The other would be a not so great assistant principal but could be an adequate AD as they are a former coach. Which one do you hire? If you make the assistant principal be AD, you have to hire the bad assistant principal. Sounds like a dumb way to run a school.

Bottom line is someone has to be the AD and that someone will be paid. You can pay someone the $10-$15k it takes as a "supplemental" job with the understanding that if something goes wrong during the school day, it will need to be taken care of. Teaching a math lesson when your football officials call off at noon Friday due to being sick? Better cut that lesson off! Counting money when you could be evaluating teachers or meeting with students? You'll get to it later!

The money you pay a full time AD above a supplemental AD is probably $40k-$50k. A nice chunk of change, no doubt, but not exactly a world changing sum for schools with $10M or more budgets. Certainly not enough to go from poorly paid teachers to high paid teachers.

As for what they do during the day, I'm sure it's a variety of duties. Maybe take a little off the transportation director by checking busses. Take a little off maintenance by checking locker rooms. Take a little off admin by fielding phone calls about athletics. Contacting sponsors. Coordinating schedules for practice. Publishing info for media. Contacting colleges about recruiting. Getting money ready for taking tickets that night. Counting money from last night and making deposits. Filling out forms for purchases. Checking eligibility requirements. Checking athlete grades and discipline. Meeting with athletes about sagging grades and discipline. Nothing that individually takes all day, but stack those on top of each other on a daily basis, and I'm sure you can stay busy.

None of this even mentions that ADs usually attend - and are working in some capacity - nearly every sporting event. It’s not a 7a-3p job.

You are correct on this statement. Their work begins after the dismissal bell each day if there is a sporting event scheduled at home.

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None of this even mentions that ADs usually attend - and are working in some capacity - nearly every sporting event. It’s not a 7a-3p job.
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The poster isn't actually interested in learning. 99% of his claims are flat out false. He has no idea what an AD does nor is he interested.

Here is a nice article he can read about what an AD does on an average day. Not to mention, as you noted, most AD's work 12-14 hour days away from their families. They leave early and get home late. My AD is in most days by 9am, and home by 10 or later.

Just a few that are flat out false. The AD puts in the transportation requests (round trip, drop only) for every team through whatever scheduling software they use that communicates with transportation. The transportation director does not schedule it, the AD does. Cancellations also go through the AD, which is the worst in spring, and as a Track and former Baseball coach, you can only imagine how many cancellations happen in the spring.

The AD can 100% run eligibility checks. It DOES NOT go through the counseling office at my school. Our AD has administrative rights in power school and is trained how to run eligibility reports and grade reports. In fact, our AD runs weekly E reports for all of our student-athletes, which is much appreciated by all coaches.

Our AD usually has multiple events to get ready for each day. We may have volleyball in our main gym, swimming in our natatorium, varsity soccer in our stadium, and tennis. All of these going at the same time. He has to prepare money box for every event, PA scripts, rosters, programs, get our ticket tracker loaded for gate workers, etc. I have never walked in our AD's office and not seen him super busy all of the time. He is always working two seasons ahead. Not to mention the stuff you don't see. Preparing budget reports for district meetings, preparing for the conference sports he chairs, finding games for winter and spring sports, getting booster reports ready, working on purchase orders that ALL 56 programs go through him.



https://www.nfhs.org/articles/what-is-a ... er%20tasks.

https://www.michigansthumb.com/sports/h ... 299479.php

https://www.hometownticketing.com/a-day ... game-time/

[BurgFan43]

None of this even mentions that ADs usually attend - and are working in some capacity - nearly every sporting event. It’s not a 7a-3p job.
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The poster isn't actually interested in learning. 99% of his claims are flat out false. He has no idea what an AD does nor is he interested.

Here is a nice article he can read about what an AD does on an average day. Not to mention, as you noted, most AD's work 12-14 hour days away from their families. They leave early and get home late. My AD is in most days by 9am, and home by 10 or later.

Just a few that are flat out false. The AD puts in the transportation requests (round trip, drop only) for every team through whatever scheduling software they use that communicates with transportation. The transportation director does not schedule it, the AD does. Cancellations also go through the AD, which is the worst in spring, and as a Track and former Baseball coach, you can only imagine how many cancellations happen in the spring.

The AD can 100% run eligibility checks. It DOES NOT go through the counseling office at my school. Our AD has administrative rights in power school and is trained how to run eligibility reports and grade reports. In fact, our AD runs weekly E reports for all of our student-athletes, which is much appreciated by all coaches.

Our AD usually has multiple events to get ready for each day. We may have volleyball in our main gym, swimming in our natatorium, varsity soccer in our stadium, and tennis. All of these going at the same time. He has to prepare money box for every event, PA scripts, rosters, programs, get our ticket tracker loaded for gate workers, etc. I have never walked in our AD's office and not seen him super busy all of the time. He is always working two seasons ahead. Not to mention the stuff you don't see. Preparing budget reports for district meetings, preparing for the conference sports he chairs, finding games for winter and spring sports, getting booster reports ready, working on purchase orders that ALL 56 programs go through him.



https://www.nfhs.org/articles/what-is-a ... er%20tasks.

https://www.michigansthumb.com/sports/h ... 299479.php

https://www.hometownticketing.com/a-day ... game-time/
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The facts that I provided is 100% true in SE Ohio. It may be different there in Cincinnati. There isn’t any schools with a swimming pool or a natatorium in our schools. I really like the third article that talks about the day starting at 3:00 PM. Anyway… you never answered if you was related to or close friends with any AD’s in SEO land. You responded to everything else and that just kind of slipped by you a couple of times.

Many of the schools don’t even have soccer, have a swimming team, and definitely don’t have 56 sports teams in one district. You are definitely hurting your case here. The student population isn’t anyway near that in SEO region. Most of our schools are D4 and below. Nice try!!

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None of this even mentions that ADs usually attend - and are working in some capacity - nearly every sporting event. It’s not a 7a-3p job.

The poster isn't actually interested in learning. 99% of his claims are flat out false. He has no idea what an AD does nor is he interested.

Here is a nice article he can read about what an AD does on an average day. Not to mention, as you noted, most AD's work 12-14 hour days away from their families. They leave early and get home late. My AD is in most days by 9am, and home by 10 or later.

Just a few that are flat out false. The AD puts in the transportation requests (round trip, drop only) for every team through whatever scheduling software they use that communicates with transportation. The transportation director does not schedule it, the AD does. Cancellations also go through the AD, which is the worst in spring, and as a Track and former Baseball coach, you can only imagine how many cancellations happen in the spring.

The AD can 100% run eligibility checks. It DOES NOT go through the counseling office at my school. Our AD has administrative rights in power school and is trained how to run eligibility reports and grade reports. In fact, our AD runs weekly E reports for all of our student-athletes, which is much appreciated by all coaches.

Our AD usually has multiple events to get ready for each day. We may have volleyball in our main gym, swimming in our natatorium, varsity soccer in our stadium, and tennis. All of these going at the same time. He has to prepare money box for every event, PA scripts, rosters, programs, get our ticket tracker loaded for gate workers, etc. I have never walked in our AD's office and not seen him super busy all of the time. He is always working two seasons ahead. Not to mention the stuff you don't see. Preparing budget reports for district meetings, preparing for the conference sports he chairs, finding games for winter and spring sports, getting booster reports ready, working on purchase orders that ALL 56 programs go through him.



https://www.nfhs.org/articles/what-is-a ... er%20tasks.

https://www.michigansthumb.com/sports/h ... 299479.php

https://www.hometownticketing.com/a-day ... game-time/
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The facts that I provided is 100% true in SE Ohio. It may be different there in Cincinnati. There isn’t any schools with a swimming pool or a natatorium in our schools. I really like the third article that talks about the day starting at 3:00 PM. Anyway… you never answered if you was related to or close friends with any AD’s in SEO land. You responded to everything else and that just kind of slipped by you a couple of times.

Many of the schools don’t even have soccer, have a swimming team, and definitely don’t have 56 sports teams in one district. You are definitely hurting your case here. The student population isn’t anyway near that in SEO region. Most of our schools are D4 and below. Nice try!!
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Going to be my last post to you. It's not worth the endless banter where you continue to say the same thing over and over.

Yes, I have said I know several in SEO, maybe you should go back and re-read, I shouldn't have to repeat myself. No, what you're saying isn't 100% true, given there are dedicated AD only in SEO. I know several who are teacher AD's, who teach 5 periods a day and have two planning periods to work on AD responsibilities during the day. I know one is who a dedicated AD ONLY. I know one who is an AP/AD. All have different levels of responsibilities during the day, but you suggesting that their day starts after the bell is again, telling. You have no idea what they do, when they do it, and if you truly believe that any AD starts their day at 3pm, well, again, this is why this is 5 page thread with you repeating the same misinformation.

Yes, the third link is a gameday blog, the first part is what they do during the day, but I didn't feel the need to give you three links all stating the same thing. If you actually read the first paragraph, it states that. Geesh dude, try reading.

Anyways, I am glad I don't teach in your district.

[BurgFan43]

None of this even mentions that ADs usually attend - and are working in some capacity - nearly every sporting event. It’s not a 7a-3p job.

The poster isn't actually interested in learning. 99% of his claims are flat out false. He has no idea what an AD does nor is he interested.

Here is a nice article he can read about what an AD does on an average day. Not to mention, as you noted, most AD's work 12-14 hour days away from their families. They leave early and get home late. My AD is in most days by 9am, and home by 10 or later.

Just a few that are flat out false. The AD puts in the transportation requests (round trip, drop only) for every team through whatever scheduling software they use that communicates with transportation. The transportation director does not schedule it, the AD does. Cancellations also go through the AD, which is the worst in spring, and as a Track and former Baseball coach, you can only imagine how many cancellations happen in the spring.

The AD can 100% run eligibility checks. It DOES NOT go through the counseling office at my school. Our AD has administrative rights in power school and is trained how to run eligibility reports and grade reports. In fact, our AD runs weekly E reports for all of our student-athletes, which is much appreciated by all coaches.

Our AD usually has multiple events to get ready for each day. We may have volleyball in our main gym, swimming in our natatorium, varsity soccer in our stadium, and tennis. All of these going at the same time. He has to prepare money box for every event, PA scripts, rosters, programs, get our ticket tracker loaded for gate workers, etc. I have never walked in our AD's office and not seen him super busy all of the time. He is always working two seasons ahead. Not to mention the stuff you don't see. Preparing budget reports for district meetings, preparing for the conference sports he chairs, finding games for winter and spring sports, getting booster reports ready, working on purchase orders that ALL 56 programs go through him.



https://www.nfhs.org/articles/what-is-a ... er%20tasks.

https://www.michigansthumb.com/sports/h ... 299479.php

https://www.hometownticketing.com/a-day ... game-time/

The facts that I provided is 100% true in SE Ohio. It may be different there in Cincinnati. There isn’t any schools with a swimming pool or a natatorium in our schools. I really like the third article that talks about the day starting at 3:00 PM. Anyway… you never answered if you was related to or close friends with any AD’s in SEO land. You responded to everything else and that just kind of slipped by you a couple of times.

Many of the schools don’t even have soccer, have a swimming team, and definitely don’t have 56 sports teams in one district. You are definitely hurting your case here. The student population isn’t anyway near that in SEO region. Most of our schools are D4 and below. Nice try!!
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Going to be my last post to you. It's not worth the endless banter where you continue to say the same thing over and over.

Yes, I have said I know several in SEO, maybe you should go back and re-read, I shouldn't have to repeat myself. No, what you're saying isn't 100% true, given there are dedicated AD only in SEO. I know several who are teacher AD's, who teach 5 periods a day and have two planning periods to work on AD responsibilities during the day. I know one is who a dedicated AD ONLY. I know one who is an AP/AD. All have different levels of responsibilities during the day, but you suggesting that their day starts after the bell is again, telling. You have no idea what they do, when they do it, and if you truly believe that any AD starts their day at 3pm, well, again, this is why this is 5 page thread with you repeating the same misinformation.

Yes, the third link is a gameday blog, the first part is what they do during the day, but I didn't feel the need to give you three links all stating the same thing. If you actually read the first paragraph, it states that. Geesh dude, try reading.

Anyways, I am glad I don't teach in your district.
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Are you related to any of the AD’s you happen to know?? Your point is your district has a dedicated AD for 2,500 student athletes. Since you love to drag Ironton in this conversation, they have a total student enrollment of 365 students in the high school. This information is from their Ohio school report card so I know it is accurate information. Warren, another high school in the SEO region with a dedicated AD has 565 total student enrollment. As you can see, student enrollment is a 1/5 of what you are talking about and less than that with kids who are student athletes. I am sure your AD wouldn’t be as busy with those student numbers. We just don’t have the enrollment like a bigger city.

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None of this even mentions that ADs usually attend - and are working in some capacity - nearly every sporting event. It’s not a 7a-3p job.

The poster isn't actually interested in learning. 99% of his claims are flat out false. He has no idea what an AD does nor is he interested.

Here is a nice article he can read about what an AD does on an average day. Not to mention, as you noted, most AD's work 12-14 hour days away from their families. They leave early and get home late. My AD is in most days by 9am, and home by 10 or later.

Just a few that are flat out false. The AD puts in the transportation requests (round trip, drop only) for every team through whatever scheduling software they use that communicates with transportation. The transportation director does not schedule it, the AD does. Cancellations also go through the AD, which is the worst in spring, and as a Track and former Baseball coach, you can only imagine how many cancellations happen in the spring.

The AD can 100% run eligibility checks. It DOES NOT go through the counseling office at my school. Our AD has administrative rights in power school and is trained how to run eligibility reports and grade reports. In fact, our AD runs weekly E reports for all of our student-athletes, which is much appreciated by all coaches.

Our AD usually has multiple events to get ready for each day. We may have volleyball in our main gym, swimming in our natatorium, varsity soccer in our stadium, and tennis. All of these going at the same time. He has to prepare money box for every event, PA scripts, rosters, programs, get our ticket tracker loaded for gate workers, etc. I have never walked in our AD's office and not seen him super busy all of the time. He is always working two seasons ahead. Not to mention the stuff you don't see. Preparing budget reports for district meetings, preparing for the conference sports he chairs, finding games for winter and spring sports, getting booster reports ready, working on purchase orders that ALL 56 programs go through him.



https://www.nfhs.org/articles/what-is-a ... er%20tasks.

https://www.michigansthumb.com/sports/h ... 299479.php

https://www.hometownticketing.com/a-day ... game-time/

The facts that I provided is 100% true in SE Ohio. It may be different there in Cincinnati. There isn’t any schools with a swimming pool or a natatorium in our schools. I really like the third article that talks about the day starting at 3:00 PM. Anyway… you never answered if you was related to or close friends with any AD’s in SEO land. You responded to everything else and that just kind of slipped by you a couple of times.

Many of the schools don’t even have soccer, have a swimming team, and definitely don’t have 56 sports teams in one district. You are definitely hurting your case here. The student population isn’t anyway near that in SEO region. Most of our schools are D4 and below. Nice try!!

Going to be my last post to you. It's not worth the endless banter where you continue to say the same thing over and over.

Yes, I have said I know several in SEO, maybe you should go back and re-read, I shouldn't have to repeat myself. No, what you're saying isn't 100% true, given there are dedicated AD only in SEO. I know several who are teacher AD's, who teach 5 periods a day and have two planning periods to work on AD responsibilities during the day. I know one is who a dedicated AD ONLY. I know one who is an AP/AD. All have different levels of responsibilities during the day, but you suggesting that their day starts after the bell is again, telling. You have no idea what they do, when they do it, and if you truly believe that any AD starts their day at 3pm, well, again, this is why this is 5 page thread with you repeating the same misinformation.

Yes, the third link is a gameday blog, the first part is what they do during the day, but I didn't feel the need to give you three links all stating the same thing. If you actually read the first paragraph, it states that. Geesh dude, try reading.

Anyways, I am glad I don't teach in your district.
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Are you related to any of the AD’s you happen to know?? Your point is your district has a dedicated AD for 2,500 student athletes. Since you love to drag Ironton in this conversation, they have a total student enrollment of 365 students in the high school. This information is from their Ohio school report card so I know it is accurate information. Warren, another high school in the SEO region with a dedicated AD has 565 total student enrollment. As you can see, student enrollment is a 1/5 of what you are talking about and less than that with kids who are student athletes. I am sure your AD wouldn’t be as busy with those student numbers. We just don’t have the enrollment like a bigger city.
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No family that are AD's, only first hand experience and friends that are AD's. Again, something I already told you earlier in the conversation. This thread is about Ironton, you know it is, we all know it is, and why you're acting like you created this thread for any other reason is comical. You've been called out by several posters on this thread for that very reasoning.

Again, you've flat out called AD's glorified secretaries and in the same breath said they should have a principals license or a doctorate. Hilarious the irony in that statement given you think they're secretaries. Sure, I am going to go get my principals license that teaches me nothing about being and AD, in order to get a 10k supplemental contract. What person in their right mind would go get that sort of license to be an AD for 10k and it is worthless to the actual position?

Take care and good luck on your crusade.

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The poster isn't actually interested in learning. 99% of his claims are flat out false. He has no idea what an AD does nor is he interested.

Here is a nice article he can read about what an AD does on an average day. Not to mention, as you noted, most AD's work 12-14 hour days away from their families. They leave early and get home late. My AD is in most days by 9am, and home by 10 or later.

Just a few that are flat out false. The AD puts in the transportation requests (round trip, drop only) for every team through whatever scheduling software they use that communicates with transportation. The transportation director does not schedule it, the AD does. Cancellations also go through the AD, which is the worst in spring, and as a Track and former Baseball coach, you can only imagine how many cancellations happen in the spring.

The AD can 100% run eligibility checks. It DOES NOT go through the counseling office at my school. Our AD has administrative rights in power school and is trained how to run eligibility reports and grade reports. In fact, our AD runs weekly E reports for all of our student-athletes, which is much appreciated by all coaches.

Our AD usually has multiple events to get ready for each day. We may have volleyball in our main gym, swimming in our natatorium, varsity soccer in our stadium, and tennis. All of these going at the same time. He has to prepare money box for every event, PA scripts, rosters, programs, get our ticket tracker loaded for gate workers, etc. I have never walked in our AD's office and not seen him super busy all of the time. He is always working two seasons ahead. Not to mention the stuff you don't see. Preparing budget reports for district meetings, preparing for the conference sports he chairs, finding games for winter and spring sports, getting booster reports ready, working on purchase orders that ALL 56 programs go through him.



https://www.nfhs.org/articles/what-is-a ... er%20tasks.

https://www.michigansthumb.com/sports/h ... 299479.php

https://www.hometownticketing.com/a-day ... game-time/

The facts that I provided is 100% true in SE Ohio. It may be different there in Cincinnati. There isn’t any schools with a swimming pool or a natatorium in our schools. I really like the third article that talks about the day starting at 3:00 PM. Anyway… you never answered if you was related to or close friends with any AD’s in SEO land. You responded to everything else and that just kind of slipped by you a couple of times.

Many of the schools don’t even have soccer, have a swimming team, and definitely don’t have 56 sports teams in one district. You are definitely hurting your case here. The student population isn’t anyway near that in SEO region. Most of our schools are D4 and below. Nice try!!

Going to be my last post to you. It's not worth the endless banter where you continue to say the same thing over and over.

Yes, I have said I know several in SEO, maybe you should go back and re-read, I shouldn't have to repeat myself. No, what you're saying isn't 100% true, given there are dedicated AD only in SEO. I know several who are teacher AD's, who teach 5 periods a day and have two planning periods to work on AD responsibilities during the day. I know one is who a dedicated AD ONLY. I know one who is an AP/AD. All have different levels of responsibilities during the day, but you suggesting that their day starts after the bell is again, telling. You have no idea what they do, when they do it, and if you truly believe that any AD starts their day at 3pm, well, again, this is why this is 5 page thread with you repeating the same misinformation.

Yes, the third link is a gameday blog, the first part is what they do during the day, but I didn't feel the need to give you three links all stating the same thing. If you actually read the first paragraph, it states that. Geesh dude, try reading.

Anyways, I am glad I don't teach in your district.

Are you related to any of the AD’s you happen to know?? Your point is your district has a dedicated AD for 2,500 student athletes. Since you love to drag Ironton in this conversation, they have a total student enrollment of 365 students in the high school. This information is from their Ohio school report card so I know it is accurate information. Warren, another high school in the SEO region with a dedicated AD has 565 total student enrollment. As you can see, student enrollment is a 1/5 of what you are talking about and less than that with kids who are student athletes. I am sure your AD wouldn’t be as busy with those student numbers. We just don’t have the enrollment like a bigger city.
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No family that are AD's, only first hand experience and friends that are AD's. Again, something I already told you earlier in the conversation. This thread is about Ironton, you know it is, we all know it is, and why you're acting like you created this thread for any other reason is comical. You've been called out by several posters on this thread for that very reasoning.

Again, you've flat out called AD's glorified secretaries and in the same breath said they should have a principals license or a doctorate. Hilarious the irony in that statement given you think they're secretaries. Sure, I am going to go get my principals license that teaches me nothing about being and AD, in order to get a 10k supplemental contract. What person in their right mind would go get that sort of license to be an AD for 10k and it is worthless to the actual position?

Take care and good luck on your crusade.
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No, you hadn't address that in an earlier conversation but I have trouble understanding why someone in Cincinnati is so defensive about the topic. As anyone can go back and read, this whole thread was started to talk how schools handle AD positions. You and a few others immediately took the defense thinking it was about you or your school. I have told you on multiple threads that it was not. Funny thing is though, people only get defensive when questions arise which is a red flag. Nobody from Warren is posting and defending their stand alone AD. A poster from Coal Grove, Symmes Valley, Jackson, or even Chillicothe are not defending how their school handles their supplemental AD positions. Every school handles it differently and that is ok if they have the academic success. Many of these schools have a fairly good school report card with a good graduation rate. Their teachers are also on the higher end of the pay scale in comparison to others in their county. You are welcome to look up anyone's school report card to help educate yourself with how SE Ohio schools are doing with gap closing, achievement, and graduation rates. Any extra funding should be used to strengthen schools academically first. Remember, student comes before athlete as any good coach will tell you.

https://reportcard.education.ohio.gov/

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The facts that I provided is 100% true in SE Ohio. It may be different there in Cincinnati. There isn’t any schools with a swimming pool or a natatorium in our schools. I really like the third article that talks about the day starting at 3:00 PM. Anyway… you never answered if you was related to or close friends with any AD’s in SEO land. You responded to everything else and that just kind of slipped by you a couple of times.

Many of the schools don’t even have soccer, have a swimming team, and definitely don’t have 56 sports teams in one district. You are definitely hurting your case here. The student population isn’t anyway near that in SEO region. Most of our schools are D4 and below. Nice try!!

Going to be my last post to you. It's not worth the endless banter where you continue to say the same thing over and over.

Yes, I have said I know several in SEO, maybe you should go back and re-read, I shouldn't have to repeat myself. No, what you're saying isn't 100% true, given there are dedicated AD only in SEO. I know several who are teacher AD's, who teach 5 periods a day and have two planning periods to work on AD responsibilities during the day. I know one is who a dedicated AD ONLY. I know one who is an AP/AD. All have different levels of responsibilities during the day, but you suggesting that their day starts after the bell is again, telling. You have no idea what they do, when they do it, and if you truly believe that any AD starts their day at 3pm, well, again, this is why this is 5 page thread with you repeating the same misinformation.

Yes, the third link is a gameday blog, the first part is what they do during the day, but I didn't feel the need to give you three links all stating the same thing. If you actually read the first paragraph, it states that. Geesh dude, try reading.

Anyways, I am glad I don't teach in your district.

Are you related to any of the AD’s you happen to know?? Your point is your district has a dedicated AD for 2,500 student athletes. Since you love to drag Ironton in this conversation, they have a total student enrollment of 365 students in the high school. This information is from their Ohio school report card so I know it is accurate information. Warren, another high school in the SEO region with a dedicated AD has 565 total student enrollment. As you can see, student enrollment is a 1/5 of what you are talking about and less than that with kids who are student athletes. I am sure your AD wouldn’t be as busy with those student numbers. We just don’t have the enrollment like a bigger city.

No family that are AD's, only first hand experience and friends that are AD's. Again, something I already told you earlier in the conversation. This thread is about Ironton, you know it is, we all know it is, and why you're acting like you created this thread for any other reason is comical. You've been called out by several posters on this thread for that very reasoning.

Again, you've flat out called AD's glorified secretaries and in the same breath said they should have a principals license or a doctorate. Hilarious the irony in that statement given you think they're secretaries. Sure, I am going to go get my principals license that teaches me nothing about being and AD, in order to get a 10k supplemental contract. What person in their right mind would go get that sort of license to be an AD for 10k and it is worthless to the actual position?

Take care and good luck on your crusade.
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No, you hadn't address that in an earlier conversation but I have trouble understanding why someone in Cincinnati is so defensive about the topic. As anyone can go back and read, this whole thread was started to talk how schools handle AD positions. You and a few others immediately took the defense thinking it was about you or your school. I have told you on multiple threads that it was not. Funny thing is though, people only get defensive when questions arise which is a red flag. Nobody from Warren is posting and defending their stand alone AD. A poster from Coal Grove, Symmes Valley, Jackson, or even Chillicothe are not defending how their school handles their supplemental AD positions. Every school handles it differently and that is ok if they have the academic success. Many of these schools have a fairly good school report card with a good graduation rate. Their teachers are also on the higher end of the pay scale in comparison to others in their county. You are welcome to look up anyone's school report card to help educate yourself with how SE Ohio schools are doing with gap closing, achievement, and graduation rates. Any extra funding should be used to strengthen schools academically first. Remember, student comes before athlete as any good coach will tell you.

https://reportcard.education.ohio.gov/
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Like I said, I already answered your question, you just have reading comprehension issues.

"I grew up in this region, have family members who coach in the region, and I am very familiar with the majority of AD's in the region. I have coaches and taught for 20 years now in two different states. The majority of what you have posted is inaccurate." Page-3

When someone who says they "don't know" and starts throwing out absolutes like, AD's aren't administrators because they don't have a license, that's false. Or you call them glorified secretaries, or say their job doesn't start until 3, or state processes that aren't accurate, well, I think you should be called out.

Everyone in this thread knows exactly what your intent is. You've made it very clear. You've degraded their position in every post. Any good principal would tell you a good AD is worth their weight in gold. Same can be said for a good theater director, band, etc. Remember, an AD is responsible for way more students than either a band or theater director.

Again, no one has said that student doesn't come before athlete, you keep insisting that posters are, and literally no one has said the opposite.

Again, if I am wanting to be an AD, I'd check Wheelersburg off the list very quickly. Especially given that they have community members like yourself who view them the way you do. Let me go get a principals license that has nothing to do with be an AD, or get a doctorate, all so you can pay me 10K. Hilarious the irony that you can't seem to grasp.

Conversation has ran its course. An ignore function on this site would be fantastic.