AD/Head Coaches

[bone1978]

This thread is funny. You have a Wheelersburg fan jealous of Ironton, and using their football coach/AD as a punching bag to express that frustration. Dude just won a state title but he should feel bad about being an AD without an administration degree? Too funny!

[BurgFan43]

Going to be my last post to you. It's not worth the endless banter where you continue to say the same thing over and over.

Yes, I have said I know several in SEO, maybe you should go back and re-read, I shouldn't have to repeat myself. No, what you're saying isn't 100% true, given there are dedicated AD only in SEO. I know several who are teacher AD's, who teach 5 periods a day and have two planning periods to work on AD responsibilities during the day. I know one is who a dedicated AD ONLY. I know one who is an AP/AD. All have different levels of responsibilities during the day, but you suggesting that their day starts after the bell is again, telling. You have no idea what they do, when they do it, and if you truly believe that any AD starts their day at 3pm, well, again, this is why this is 5 page thread with you repeating the same misinformation.

Yes, the third link is a gameday blog, the first part is what they do during the day, but I didn't feel the need to give you three links all stating the same thing. If you actually read the first paragraph, it states that. Geesh dude, try reading.

Anyways, I am glad I don't teach in your district.

Are you related to any of the AD’s you happen to know?? Your point is your district has a dedicated AD for 2,500 student athletes. Since you love to drag Ironton in this conversation, they have a total student enrollment of 365 students in the high school. This information is from their Ohio school report card so I know it is accurate information. Warren, another high school in the SEO region with a dedicated AD has 565 total student enrollment. As you can see, student enrollment is a 1/5 of what you are talking about and less than that with kids who are student athletes. I am sure your AD wouldn’t be as busy with those student numbers. We just don’t have the enrollment like a bigger city.

No family that are AD's, only first hand experience and friends that are AD's. Again, something I already told you earlier in the conversation. This thread is about Ironton, you know it is, we all know it is, and why you're acting like you created this thread for any other reason is comical. You've been called out by several posters on this thread for that very reasoning.

Again, you've flat out called AD's glorified secretaries and in the same breath said they should have a principals license or a doctorate. Hilarious the irony in that statement given you think they're secretaries. Sure, I am going to go get my principals license that teaches me nothing about being and AD, in order to get a 10k supplemental contract. What person in their right mind would go get that sort of license to be an AD for 10k and it is worthless to the actual position?

Take care and good luck on your crusade.

No, you hadn't address that in an earlier conversation but I have trouble understanding why someone in Cincinnati is so defensive about the topic. As anyone can go back and read, this whole thread was started to talk how schools handle AD positions. You and a few others immediately took the defense thinking it was about you or your school. I have told you on multiple threads that it was not. Funny thing is though, people only get defensive when questions arise which is a red flag. Nobody from Warren is posting and defending their stand alone AD. A poster from Coal Grove, Symmes Valley, Jackson, or even Chillicothe are not defending how their school handles their supplemental AD positions. Every school handles it differently and that is ok if they have the academic success. Many of these schools have a fairly good school report card with a good graduation rate. Their teachers are also on the higher end of the pay scale in comparison to others in their county. You are welcome to look up anyone's school report card to help educate yourself with how SE Ohio schools are doing with gap closing, achievement, and graduation rates. Any extra funding should be used to strengthen schools academically first. Remember, student comes before athlete as any good coach will tell you.

https://reportcard.education.ohio.gov/
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Like I said, I already answered your question, you just have reading comprehension issues.

"I grew up in this region, have family members who coach in the region, and I am very familiar with the majority of AD's in the region. I have coaches and taught for 20 years now in two different states. The majority of what you have posted is inaccurate." Page-3

When someone who says they "don't know" and starts throwing out absolutes like, AD's aren't administrators because they don't have a license, that's false. Or you call them glorified secretaries, or say their job doesn't start until 3, or state processes that aren't accurate, well, I think you should be called out.

Everyone in this thread knows exactly what your intent is. You've made it very clear. You've degraded their position in every post. Any good principal would tell you a good AD is worth their weight in gold. Same can be said for a good theater director, band, etc. Remember, an AD is responsible for way more students than either a band or theater director.

Again, no one has said that student doesn't come before athlete, you keep insisting that posters are, and literally no one has said the opposite.

Again, if I am wanting to be an AD, I'd check Wheelersburg off the list very quickly. Especially given that they have community members like yourself who view them the way you do. Let me go get a principals license that has nothing to do with be an AD, or get a doctorate, all so you can pay me 10K. Hilarious the irony that you can't seem to grasp.

Conversation has ran its course. An ignore function on this site would be fantastic.
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I love how you like to say this is your last post and then you post something else. It is also amazing how you like to say statements are false because it isn't aligned to your beliefs. Most of my statements in the post are based on facts. Most AD positions in SEO region align to it being linked to a teacher or principal position in a school. Why would most (not all) schools do this? It is because it the most budget friendly. They aren't wasting 40K on a position that you can have with a high school diploma. There are licensed employees with a Bachelor's Degree or higher teaching your kids and barely making that. If a person has any additional supplements such as coaching, weightlifting, fitness, or any other supplemental then that is added on top of that. That means an AD could be making about the 50K mark. There are teachers with 10,15, or 20 years experience possibly not making this in some school districts. These same teachers have at minimum a Bachelor's Degree in Education.

The state of Ohio does issue Administration licenses along with Teacher license. How can someone expect to be on a pay scale for licensed employees when they aren''t licensed? I understand that AD's are state required to have a license. We have went around and around about that. Just don't expect that pay as others with the license. They can be considered administration if that is what your board approves but it should be far below because you don't have then same educational levels and degrees. Also, I don't expect you to have a doctorate degree for the position. I did say the AD at Marshall had his doctorate but that is far beyond a HS AD. I am sure that if a person had intentions of being an AD at the college level then there are a large list of requirements.

There are few positions in a school that only requires a HS diploma. You even required to have a Bachelor's Degree to sub so that is out. A person can not even provide instruction on a scheduled class such as gym or even teach a weightlifting class during a school day without a teaching license. The whole point to my post was to understand why any school in SEO region has a stand alone AD. If you had all the typical sports plus hockey, swimming, field hockey, soccer, gymnastics with a student population in a Division 1-3 school then I could see an argument. We just don't have it in SE Ohio. Schools need to fund academics first and most try by utilizing what funding they have available.

I love how everyone likes to think that someone is jealous when they stand up for what is right. Let's hang some 5 star banners on some SE Ohio schools. Show us a graduation rate that is highest in the SE region. Great things are happening or can happen in our schools with great academics first!

[BurgFan43]

This thread is funny. You have a Wheelersburg fan jealous of Ironton, and using their football coach/AD as a punching bag to express that frustration. Dude just won a state title but he should feel bad about being an AD without an administration degree? Too funny!

I can assure you that I am not jealous of any school. It is always wonderful to see a SEO school win a state championship in whatever sport. I think the Terry kid would have won player of the year if he was playing anywhere other than the SEO in all honesty.

It is also not true of anyone being a punching bag. A school funding a position correctly just shows students are being put first with their educational needs. I do have one question… Has anyone changed how they paid AD’s in the last few years from a stand alone to a supplemental or vice versa???

[avalanche]

Are you related to any of the AD’s you happen to know?? Your point is your district has a dedicated AD for 2,500 student athletes. Since you love to drag Ironton in this conversation, they have a total student enrollment of 365 students in the high school. This information is from their Ohio school report card so I know it is accurate information. Warren, another high school in the SEO region with a dedicated AD has 565 total student enrollment. As you can see, student enrollment is a 1/5 of what you are talking about and less than that with kids who are student athletes. I am sure your AD wouldn’t be as busy with those student numbers. We just don’t have the enrollment like a bigger city.

No family that are AD's, only first hand experience and friends that are AD's. Again, something I already told you earlier in the conversation. This thread is about Ironton, you know it is, we all know it is, and why you're acting like you created this thread for any other reason is comical. You've been called out by several posters on this thread for that very reasoning.

Again, you've flat out called AD's glorified secretaries and in the same breath said they should have a principals license or a doctorate. Hilarious the irony in that statement given you think they're secretaries. Sure, I am going to go get my principals license that teaches me nothing about being and AD, in order to get a 10k supplemental contract. What person in their right mind would go get that sort of license to be an AD for 10k and it is worthless to the actual position?

Take care and good luck on your crusade.

No, you hadn't address that in an earlier conversation but I have trouble understanding why someone in Cincinnati is so defensive about the topic. As anyone can go back and read, this whole thread was started to talk how schools handle AD positions. You and a few others immediately took the defense thinking it was about you or your school. I have told you on multiple threads that it was not. Funny thing is though, people only get defensive when questions arise which is a red flag. Nobody from Warren is posting and defending their stand alone AD. A poster from Coal Grove, Symmes Valley, Jackson, or even Chillicothe are not defending how their school handles their supplemental AD positions. Every school handles it differently and that is ok if they have the academic success. Many of these schools have a fairly good school report card with a good graduation rate. Their teachers are also on the higher end of the pay scale in comparison to others in their county. You are welcome to look up anyone's school report card to help educate yourself with how SE Ohio schools are doing with gap closing, achievement, and graduation rates. Any extra funding should be used to strengthen schools academically first. Remember, student comes before athlete as any good coach will tell you.

https://reportcard.education.ohio.gov/

Like I said, I already answered your question, you just have reading comprehension issues.

"I grew up in this region, have family members who coach in the region, and I am very familiar with the majority of AD's in the region. I have coaches and taught for 20 years now in two different states. The majority of what you have posted is inaccurate." Page-3

When someone who says they "don't know" and starts throwing out absolutes like, AD's aren't administrators because they don't have a license, that's false. Or you call them glorified secretaries, or say their job doesn't start until 3, or state processes that aren't accurate, well, I think you should be called out.

Everyone in this thread knows exactly what your intent is. You've made it very clear. You've degraded their position in every post. Any good principal would tell you a good AD is worth their weight in gold. Same can be said for a good theater director, band, etc. Remember, an AD is responsible for way more students than either a band or theater director.

Again, no one has said that student doesn't come before athlete, you keep insisting that posters are, and literally no one has said the opposite.

Again, if I am wanting to be an AD, I'd check Wheelersburg off the list very quickly. Especially given that they have community members like yourself who view them the way you do. Let me go get a principals license that has nothing to do with be an AD, or get a doctorate, all so you can pay me 10K. Hilarious the irony that you can't seem to grasp.

Conversation has ran its course. An ignore function on this site would be fantastic.
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I love how you like to say this is your last post and then you post something else. It is also amazing how you like to say statements are false because it isn't aligned to your beliefs. Most of my statements in the post are based on facts. Most AD positions in SEO region align to it being linked to a teacher or principal position in a school. Why would most (not all) schools do this? It is because it the most budget friendly. They aren't wasting 40K on a position that you can have with a high school diploma. There are licensed employees with a Bachelor's Degree or higher teaching your kids and barely making that. If a person has any additional supplements such as coaching, weightlifting, fitness, or any other supplemental then that is added on top of that. That means an AD could be making about the 50K mark. There are teachers with 10,15, or 20 years experience possibly not making this in some school districts. These same teachers have at minimum a Bachelor's Degree in Education.

The state of Ohio does issue Administration licenses along with Teacher license. How can someone expect to be on a pay scale for licensed employees when they aren''t licensed? I understand that AD's are state required to have a license. We have went around and around about that. Just don't expect that pay as others with the license. They can be considered administration if that is what your board approves but it should be far below because you don't have then same educational levels and degrees. Also, I don't expect you to have a doctorate degree for the position. I did say the AD at Marshall had his doctorate but that is far beyond a HS AD. I am sure that if a person had intentions of being an AD at the college level then there are a large list of requirements.

There are few positions in a school that only requires a HS diploma. You even required to have a Bachelor's Degree to sub so that is out. A person can not even provide instruction on a scheduled class such as gym or even teach a weightlifting class during a school day without a teaching license. The whole point to my post was to understand why any school in SEO region has a stand alone AD. If you had all the typical sports plus hockey, swimming, field hockey, soccer, gymnastics with a student population in a Division 1-3 school then I could see an argument. We just don't have it in SE Ohio. Schools need to fund academics first and most try by utilizing what funding they have available.

I love how everyone likes to think that someone is jealous when they stand up for what is right. Let's hang some 5 star banners on some SE Ohio schools. Show us a graduation rate that is highest in the SE region. Great things are happening or can happen in our schools with great academics first!
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You continue to prove my point, and if you'd just stfu and move on from the this thread, it would be much more helpful for people to walk away.

Your statements are accurate, as you say "a position you can have a high school diploma". Again, you can't. There isn't a single AD in your region who doesn't have a degree of some sort. That's a fact.

You continue to prove my point with how little value you place on the position, which is fine, because no one is knocking the door down to be the AD at Wheelersburg. I can assure you that.

Your obsession's with a teacher license is comical. Tell me during student teaching or any part of getting your education degree, do they teach you anything about being an administrator or being an AD? Hint...they don't.

If your teachers are only making 30-40k, there's a reason your district is in trouble. That's a laughable wage, and instead of going on a five page rampage about AD's, why don't you attend your next BOE meeting and demand teachers get paid more.

There is equal value in education and having an athletic, band, or theater experience. Again, you're devaluing an experience that most have and are life changing to an extent.

Anyways, you're a nut job.

[BurgFan43]

No family that are AD's, only first hand experience and friends that are AD's. Again, something I already told you earlier in the conversation. This thread is about Ironton, you know it is, we all know it is, and why you're acting like you created this thread for any other reason is comical. You've been called out by several posters on this thread for that very reasoning.

Again, you've flat out called AD's glorified secretaries and in the same breath said they should have a principals license or a doctorate. Hilarious the irony in that statement given you think they're secretaries. Sure, I am going to go get my principals license that teaches me nothing about being and AD, in order to get a 10k supplemental contract. What person in their right mind would go get that sort of license to be an AD for 10k and it is worthless to the actual position?

Take care and good luck on your crusade.

No, you hadn't address that in an earlier conversation but I have trouble understanding why someone in Cincinnati is so defensive about the topic. As anyone can go back and read, this whole thread was started to talk how schools handle AD positions. You and a few others immediately took the defense thinking it was about you or your school. I have told you on multiple threads that it was not. Funny thing is though, people only get defensive when questions arise which is a red flag. Nobody from Warren is posting and defending their stand alone AD. A poster from Coal Grove, Symmes Valley, Jackson, or even Chillicothe are not defending how their school handles their supplemental AD positions. Every school handles it differently and that is ok if they have the academic success. Many of these schools have a fairly good school report card with a good graduation rate. Their teachers are also on the higher end of the pay scale in comparison to others in their county. You are welcome to look up anyone's school report card to help educate yourself with how SE Ohio schools are doing with gap closing, achievement, and graduation rates. Any extra funding should be used to strengthen schools academically first. Remember, student comes before athlete as any good coach will tell you.

https://reportcard.education.ohio.gov/

Like I said, I already answered your question, you just have reading comprehension issues.

"I grew up in this region, have family members who coach in the region, and I am very familiar with the majority of AD's in the region. I have coaches and taught for 20 years now in two different states. The majority of what you have posted is inaccurate." Page-3

When someone who says they "don't know" and starts throwing out absolutes like, AD's aren't administrators because they don't have a license, that's false. Or you call them glorified secretaries, or say their job doesn't start until 3, or state processes that aren't accurate, well, I think you should be called out.

Everyone in this thread knows exactly what your intent is. You've made it very clear. You've degraded their position in every post. Any good principal would tell you a good AD is worth their weight in gold. Same can be said for a good theater director, band, etc. Remember, an AD is responsible for way more students than either a band or theater director.

Again, no one has said that student doesn't come before athlete, you keep insisting that posters are, and literally no one has said the opposite.

Again, if I am wanting to be an AD, I'd check Wheelersburg off the list very quickly. Especially given that they have community members like yourself who view them the way you do. Let me go get a principals license that has nothing to do with be an AD, or get a doctorate, all so you can pay me 10K. Hilarious the irony that you can't seem to grasp.

Conversation has ran its course. An ignore function on this site would be fantastic.

I love how you like to say this is your last post and then you post something else. It is also amazing how you like to say statements are false because it isn't aligned to your beliefs. Most of my statements in the post are based on facts. Most AD positions in SEO region align to it being linked to a teacher or principal position in a school. Why would most (not all) schools do this? It is because it the most budget friendly. They aren't wasting 40K on a position that you can have with a high school diploma. There are licensed employees with a Bachelor's Degree or higher teaching your kids and barely making that. If a person has any additional supplements such as coaching, weightlifting, fitness, or any other supplemental then that is added on top of that. That means an AD could be making about the 50K mark. There are teachers with 10,15, or 20 years experience possibly not making this in some school districts. These same teachers have at minimum a Bachelor's Degree in Education.

The state of Ohio does issue Administration licenses along with Teacher license. How can someone expect to be on a pay scale for licensed employees when they aren''t licensed? I understand that AD's are state required to have a license. We have went around and around about that. Just don't expect that pay as others with the license. They can be considered administration if that is what your board approves but it should be far below because you don't have then same educational levels and degrees. Also, I don't expect you to have a doctorate degree for the position. I did say the AD at Marshall had his doctorate but that is far beyond a HS AD. I am sure that if a person had intentions of being an AD at the college level then there are a large list of requirements.

There are few positions in a school that only requires a HS diploma. You even required to have a Bachelor's Degree to sub so that is out. A person can not even provide instruction on a scheduled class such as gym or even teach a weightlifting class during a school day without a teaching license. The whole point to my post was to understand why any school in SEO region has a stand alone AD. If you had all the typical sports plus hockey, swimming, field hockey, soccer, gymnastics with a student population in a Division 1-3 school then I could see an argument. We just don't have it in SE Ohio. Schools need to fund academics first and most try by utilizing what funding they have available.

I love how everyone likes to think that someone is jealous when they stand up for what is right. Let's hang some 5 star banners on some SE Ohio schools. Show us a graduation rate that is highest in the SE region. Great things are happening or can happen in our schools with great academics first!
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You continue to prove my point, and if you'd just stfu and move on from the this thread, it would be much more helpful for people to walk away.

Your statements are accurate, as you say "a position you can have a high school diploma". Again, you can't. There isn't a single AD in your region who doesn't have a degree of some sort. That's a fact.

You continue to prove my point with how little value you place on the position, which is fine, because no one is knocking the door down to be the AD at Wheelersburg. I can assure you that.

Your obsession's with a teacher license is comical. Tell me during student teaching or any part of getting your education degree, do they teach you anything about being an administrator or being an AD? Hint...they don't.

If your teachers are only making 30-40k, there's a reason your district is in trouble. That's a laughable wage, and instead of going on a five page rampage about AD's, why don't you attend your next BOE meeting and demand teachers get paid more.

There is equal value in education and having an athletic, band, or theater experience. Again, you're devaluing an experience that most have and are life changing to an extent.

Anyways, you're a nut job.
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What happened to this is my last post… you just continue to log in and call people names. The same exact resource you quote from openpayrolls.com shows the education level/salary and some of your “friends” who are listed as an AD (Coordinator Position) with a high school diploma. It also shows what they earned in 2023 with some of the AD's having multiple contracts. I would suggest everyone to educate and compare salaries and credentials of various AD's to see what they are being paid (apples to apples) along with what college degree level each has. People want to argue points and it is clearly listed on Openpayrolls.com. All of the information is pulled from public records BTW so it isn't just some random statements.

http://www.openpayrolls.com

I also love you say there is equal value in education and sports. LOL I am seriously doubting you are a teacher or principal in a school because educators don’t make those statements.

[BurgFan43]

I am working on a robust list of SEO schools AD’s (no names) with their salaries, educational levels and position titles all provided by opensalary.com from public records. Be ready for some eye opening information! I bet you one poster will even call me names over this information because they don’t like facts!!

Shoutout to avalanche for the information source because it is far better than Buckeye Institute for public information.

[enigmaax]

I am working on a robust list of SEO schools AD’s (no names) with their salaries, educational levels and position titles all provided by opensalary.com from public records. Be ready for some eye opening information! I bet you one poster will even call me names over this information because they don’t like facts!!

Shoutout to avalanche for the information source because it is far better than Buckeye Institute for public information.

Lol, I think you are going to be the only surprised by anything as most people know and understand the role of the AD at their school (and the pay has always been publicly accessible). At most schools, the pay isn’t very much considering the amount of work they put in. Probably for that same reason, I don’t know anyone who has ever been too concerned with the educational background, as we all know there isn’t a requirement (at the state level) for it. I just don’t know what your crusade is - do you think people are going to rally to get rid of these positions?

[KRS]

In SE Ohio not really an admin. Position at least not in the district I live in. Our current AD is a prison guard. The previous one was a teacher but he taught at another school district. Didn’t really make sense but that was/ is at a school im in and we can’t justify a full time AD only. with teacher salary- if that’s all they do.

[BurgFan43]

I am working on a robust list of SEO schools AD’s (no names) with their salaries, educational levels and position titles all provided by opensalary.com from public records. Be ready for some eye opening information! I bet you one poster will even call me names over this information because they don’t like facts!!

Shoutout to avalanche for the information source because it is far better than Buckeye Institute for public information.

Lol, I think you are going to be the only surprised by anything as most people know and understand the role of the AD at their school (and the pay has always been publicly accessible). At most schools, the pay isn’t very much considering the amount of work they put in. Probably for that same reason, I don’t know anyone who has ever been too concerned with the educational background, as we all know there isn’t a requirement (at the state level) for it. I just don’t know what your crusade is - do you think people are going to rally to get rid of these positions?

Oh I totally understand there is a need for an AD at every school. They definitely have to make sure their coaches have their pupil certifications and all the necessary requirements (CPR, ect) to be a coach in any district. They also have to ensure they are in touch with the conference assigners for officials and keeping up with the scheduling the games and facilities for practice. They also have to ensure there are no Title IX violations where everything is equal for both boys and girls sports. As to the pay, it should be equal across the board with your education level just like everyone else. There is no merit pay in academics for teachers right now in Ohio. Teachers put in a lot more work than just 8-4. If they would only do that then they wouldn’t be able to teach your children. Teachers only get a small planning period to grade papers, complete any paperwork, collaborate with other teachers, do lesson plans, ect. The list can go on and on. The same with a principal or any other professional working in a school. It is just the name of the game and no school wants to pay a teacher hourly. It would be insane of the amount of money they would make. The AD’s also understand this when they take on this role. Most schools pay it as a supplemental because the AD’s job is mostly during the evenings. There are some daytime duties but there are also just nights during the week when there are games at home. To work in a school, you know you are going to work far more than you are going to get paid. You do it because you love the kids. Everyone knows teachers and others could go to a big district and get big dollars. They can do that with a large student population because remember schools get paid per student. When someone is getting paid more than another teacher then it takes away from money for all the students and their education resources /curriculum Everyone should get raises and it starts with the teachers in your kid’s classroom each and every day.

[BurgFan43]

In SE Ohio not really an admin. Position at least not in the district I live in. Our current AD is a prison guard. The previous one was a teacher but he taught at another school district. Didn’t really make sense but that was/ is at a school im in and we can’t justify a full time AD only. with teacher salary- if that’s all they do.

Yes, this is the way it is in most school districts in SEO region I thought. I have learned there are a handful (5-6 districts) who do have a stand alone AD. Most AD’s have a daytime job like your district and then they do AD as a second or supplemental job. Other districts have a teacher or assistant principal as the AD with maybe an extra planning period or time arranged to work on duties.

[BurgFan43]

In SE Ohio not really an admin. Position at least not in the district I live in. Our current AD is a prison guard. The previous one was a teacher but he taught at another school district. Didn’t really make sense but that was/ is at a school im in and we can’t justify a full time AD only. with teacher salary- if that’s all they do.