FAC Looking to Expand..

[fball43]

Most of the FAC hate the drive to Jackson so Portsmouth would more than likely be a no. The logical solution would be Circleville and Logan Elm. The Mid -State has changed a lot the past few years they would be much more competitive with the FAC schools overall.

Circleville and Logan Elm fit the FAC profile overall and I agree that they are the most logical adds. However, I’m beating a dead horse… but that would put Hillsboro at three trips over 1 hour and 10 mins+. I don’t forsee them liking that.

At one time, in the old scol in the 70 and 80's,they drove to Teays Valley and Circleville. So why don't you like Hillsboro and so hellbent on them getting out?

Its not that I don't like Hillsboro or I am hellbent on them leaving the FAC. HS athletics overall is changing, and schools are trying to cut spending costs and an easy way to do that is by saving on travel expenses for athletic events. It just doesn't make sense to be in a league that will have you making three trips at 1 hour 10 mins+, when there is a potential league option that would have you making no trips over 50 minutes for very VERY similar competition. It is just the way HS athletics are going these days. An SBAAC division of:

Batavia
Clinton-Massie
Hillsboro
Goshen
Western Brown
Wilmington

Makes a lot of sense from a travel and competitive standpoint (with New Richmond going to the small schools).

Looking at the travel of this SBAAC vs an FAC with Circleville/Logan Elm:

Hillsboro (D3) to:

Batavia (D3)- 43 mins
Clinton-Massie (D4)- 46 mins
Goshen (D3)- 48 mins
Western Brown (D3)- 36 mins
Wilmington (D3)- 38 mins

Average- 42 mins

Chillicothe (D3)- 54 mins
Circleville (D3)- 1 hr 14 mins
Greenfield McClain (D4)- 28 mins
Jackson (D3)- 1 hr 17 mins
Logan Elm (D4)- 1 hr 14 mins
Miami Trace (D3)- 45 mins
Washington CH (D4)- 45 mins

Average- 57 mins

Average in the current FAC is 50 mins

I don't think the extra travel is worth it in the FAC for Hillsboro at all. SBAAC would offer much of the same competition for much less overall travel, its almost a no brainer move if you ask me..

[jose]

Circleville and Logan Elm fit the FAC profile overall and I agree that they are the most logical adds. However, I’m beating a dead horse… but that would put Hillsboro at three trips over 1 hour and 10 mins+. I don’t forsee them liking that.

At one time, in the old scol in the 70 and 80's,they drove to Teays Valley and Circleville. So why don't you like Hillsboro and so hellbent on them getting out?

Its not that I don't like Hillsboro or I am hellbent on them leaving the FAC. HS athletics overall is changing, and schools are trying to cut spending costs and an easy way to do that is by saving on travel expenses for athletic events. It just doesn't make sense to be in a league that will have you making three trips at 1 hour 10 mins+, when there is a potential league option that would have you making no trips over 50 minutes for very VERY similar competition. It is just the way HS athletics are going these days. An SBAAC division of:

Batavia
Clinton-Massie
Hillsboro
Goshen
Western Brown
Wilmington

Makes a lot of sense from a travel and competitive standpoint (with New Richmond going to the small schools).

Looking at the travel of this SBAAC vs an FAC with Circleville/Logan Elm:

Hillsboro (D3) to:

Batavia (D3)- 43 mins
Clinton-Massie (D4)- 46 mins
Goshen (D3)- 48 mins
Western Brown (D3)- 36 mins
Wilmington (D3)- 38 mins

Average- 42 mins

Chillicothe (D3)- 54 mins
Circleville (D3)- 1 hr 14 mins
Greenfield McClain (D4)- 28 mins
Jackson (D3)- 1 hr 17 mins
Logan Elm (D4)- 1 hr 14 mins
Miami Trace (D3)- 45 mins
Washington CH (D4)- 45 mins

Average- 57 mins

Average in the current FAC is 50 mins

I don't think the extra travel is worth it in the FAC for Hillsboro at all. SBAAC would offer much of the same competition for much less overall travel, its almost a no brainer move if you ask me..

You must be a Hillsboro Athlete afraid of competition? Do you ride to each place by horse? Last time I checked WCH and MT are not 45 minutes from Hillsboro. Many of those times mean nothing? I also looked up mileage-not a huge difference. Travel expenses? If that was the case everyone would want Jackson kicked out of league.

[borodad]

At one time, in the old scol in the 70 and 80's,they drove to Teays Valley and Circleville. So why don't you like Hillsboro and so hellbent on them getting out?

Its not that I don't like Hillsboro or I am hellbent on them leaving the FAC. HS athletics overall is changing, and schools are trying to cut spending costs and an easy way to do that is by saving on travel expenses for athletic events. It just doesn't make sense to be in a league that will have you making three trips at 1 hour 10 mins+, when there is a potential league option that would have you making no trips over 50 minutes for very VERY similar competition. It is just the way HS athletics are going these days. An SBAAC division of:

Batavia
Clinton-Massie
Hillsboro
Goshen
Western Brown
Wilmington

Makes a lot of sense from a travel and competitive standpoint (with New Richmond going to the small schools).

Looking at the travel of this SBAAC vs an FAC with Circleville/Logan Elm:

Hillsboro (D3) to:

Batavia (D3)- 43 mins
Clinton-Massie (D4)- 46 mins
Goshen (D3)- 48 mins
Western Brown (D3)- 36 mins
Wilmington (D3)- 38 mins

Average- 42 mins

Chillicothe (D3)- 54 mins
Circleville (D3)- 1 hr 14 mins
Greenfield McClain (D4)- 28 mins
Jackson (D3)- 1 hr 17 mins
Logan Elm (D4)- 1 hr 14 mins
Miami Trace (D3)- 45 mins
Washington CH (D4)- 45 mins

Average- 57 mins

Average in the current FAC is 50 mins

I don't think the extra travel is worth it in the FAC for Hillsboro at all. SBAAC would offer much of the same competition for much less overall travel, its almost a no brainer move if you ask me..

You must be a Hillsboro Athlete afraid of competition? Do you ride to each place by horse? Last time I checked WCH and MT are not 45 minutes from Hillsboro. Many of those times mean nothing? I also looked up mileage-not a huge difference. Travel expenses? If that was the case everyone would want Jackson kicked out of league.

not sure what the "must be a Hillsboro Athlete afraid of competiton" means because I am pretty sure we are pretty competitive in most of our games in the conference....we do budget about 45 minutes to drive to MT and WCH....last we are in the SE district and if we would change to the SBAAC which does make sense especially if the FAC brings in further eastern teams we would never see any teams we would play in the playoffs. This hurts in the tournament, seeding, and nominations for all SE players.

[Dundas]

I don’t think Unioto or any other SVC school is willing to leave their conference. If Waverly and Portsmouth were interested, you could add two to get to an 8 team conference but that’s a big if as well.

Hillsboro
McClain
Miami Trace
Washington
Chillicothe
Jackson
Portsmouth
Waverly

I just don’t see Portsmouth or Waverly leaving their conference for longer trips. It could happen, but doubtful. The FAC is in the middle of no man’s land. They schools in close proximity to the current 6 are just too small to add. Adena, Fairfield, (name SVC school here minus Unioto). I just don’t see a path forward without a complete restructure OR a merger with the current SVC. Which again, is almost certainly not on the table.

Overall, I don't think Portsmouth is a good fit

Most of the FAC hate the drive to Jackson so Portsmouth would more than likely be a no. The logical solution would be Circleville and Logan Elm. The Mid -State has changed a lot the past few years they would be much more competitive with the FAC schools overall.

It’s basically the same drive time to Portsmouth than it is Circleville and Logan Elm for Hillsboro.

[fball43]

At one time, in the old scol in the 70 and 80's,they drove to Teays Valley and Circleville. So why don't you like Hillsboro and so hellbent on them getting out?

Its not that I don't like Hillsboro or I am hellbent on them leaving the FAC. HS athletics overall is changing, and schools are trying to cut spending costs and an easy way to do that is by saving on travel expenses for athletic events. It just doesn't make sense to be in a league that will have you making three trips at 1 hour 10 mins+, when there is a potential league option that would have you making no trips over 50 minutes for very VERY similar competition. It is just the way HS athletics are going these days. An SBAAC division of:

Batavia
Clinton-Massie
Hillsboro
Goshen
Western Brown
Wilmington

Makes a lot of sense from a travel and competitive standpoint (with New Richmond going to the small schools).

Looking at the travel of this SBAAC vs an FAC with Circleville/Logan Elm:

Hillsboro (D3) to:

Batavia (D3)- 43 mins
Clinton-Massie (D4)- 46 mins
Goshen (D3)- 48 mins
Western Brown (D3)- 36 mins
Wilmington (D3)- 38 mins

Average- 42 mins

Chillicothe (D3)- 54 mins
Circleville (D3)- 1 hr 14 mins
Greenfield McClain (D4)- 28 mins
Jackson (D3)- 1 hr 17 mins
Logan Elm (D4)- 1 hr 14 mins
Miami Trace (D3)- 45 mins
Washington CH (D4)- 45 mins

Average- 57 mins

Average in the current FAC is 50 mins

I don't think the extra travel is worth it in the FAC for Hillsboro at all. SBAAC would offer much of the same competition for much less overall travel, its almost a no brainer move if you ask me..

You must be a Hillsboro Athlete afraid of competition? Do you ride to each place by horse? Last time I checked WCH and MT are not 45 minutes from Hillsboro. Many of those times mean nothing? I also looked up mileage-not a huge difference. Travel expenses? If that was the case everyone would want Jackson kicked out of league.

You must be a Hillsboro Athlete afraid of competition?

Thats wild not even close to true.. SBAAC and FAC are extremely similar on a competitive level, that's why the 2 conferences play each other a lot in multiple sports. If you're talking competition alone it's essentially a lateral move for Hillsboro. They will not be getting that much less competition in the SBAAC.. the only sport that the FAC is considerably better than the SBAAC is boys and girls basketball. Look it up, WCH and MT are about 45 minutes from Hillsboro (that's from Hillsboro HS to WCH HS and MT HS). Also you have to take into account what the communities want. While being in a league with all their long time rivals (McClain, MT and WCH) is great and all, parents and families don't exactly want to travel a bunch to athletic events, and they already hate the drive to Jackson, and with Circleville and Logan Elm being similar drives that isn't going to exactly make them happy.

[fball43]

Its not that I don't like Hillsboro or I am hellbent on them leaving the FAC. HS athletics overall is changing, and schools are trying to cut spending costs and an easy way to do that is by saving on travel expenses for athletic events. It just doesn't make sense to be in a league that will have you making three trips at 1 hour 10 mins+, when there is a potential league option that would have you making no trips over 50 minutes for very VERY similar competition. It is just the way HS athletics are going these days. An SBAAC division of:

Batavia
Clinton-Massie
Hillsboro
Goshen
Western Brown
Wilmington

Makes a lot of sense from a travel and competitive standpoint (with New Richmond going to the small schools).

Looking at the travel of this SBAAC vs an FAC with Circleville/Logan Elm:

Hillsboro (D3) to:

Batavia (D3)- 43 mins
Clinton-Massie (D4)- 46 mins
Goshen (D3)- 48 mins
Western Brown (D3)- 36 mins
Wilmington (D3)- 38 mins

Average- 42 mins

Chillicothe (D3)- 54 mins
Circleville (D3)- 1 hr 14 mins
Greenfield McClain (D4)- 28 mins
Jackson (D3)- 1 hr 17 mins
Logan Elm (D4)- 1 hr 14 mins
Miami Trace (D3)- 45 mins
Washington CH (D4)- 45 mins

Average- 57 mins

Average in the current FAC is 50 mins

I don't think the extra travel is worth it in the FAC for Hillsboro at all. SBAAC would offer much of the same competition for much less overall travel, its almost a no brainer move if you ask me..

You must be a Hillsboro Athlete afraid of competition? Do you ride to each place by horse? Last time I checked WCH and MT are not 45 minutes from Hillsboro. Many of those times mean nothing? I also looked up mileage-not a huge difference. Travel expenses? If that was the case everyone would want Jackson kicked out of league.

not sure what the "must be a Hillsboro Athlete afraid of competiton" means because I am pretty sure we are pretty competitive in most of our games in the conference....we do budget about 45 minutes to drive to MT and WCH....last we are in the SE district and if we would change to the SBAAC which does make sense especially if the FAC brings in further eastern teams we would never see any teams we would play in the playoffs. This hurts in the tournament, seeding, and nominations for all SE players.

That last part is part of the reason I think Hillsboro might be a little hesitant on making an SBAAC move. The only sport Hillsboro plays in the SW tournaments is football. SBAAC competes in SW in all tournaments.

[GoBucks1047]

Won't happen, but how about adding Logan, Athens, Gallia Academy, Point Pleasant, Warren, and Marietta for 12 and split into 2 divisions of 6 or 3 pods of 4. Alternatively (more realistic, but still probably unlikely), add Waverly, Unioto, Circleville, Logan Elm, Fairfield Union, and Logan for 12 with 2 divisions of 6 or 3 pods of 4.

FAC could be in trouble if they expand. Almost any direction they go could mean another conference school might leave. If they do go to adding four teams, they need to go one in each direction. These four need to be within the circumference of the conference as it stands now to give the conference a better chance to stay together. No team in the present FAC should have to travel more than they do now. Two of those could be Unioto and Waverly. I'm not sure what schools look the best going west or south I'm not really sure what Unioto would be (I'm thinking North and Waverly East). All six schools that are in now seem to compete well in cross country and track. As it stands now, I think Jackson and Chillicothe hold this conference together. Take Jackson and Chillicothe being in the SEOAL they know going too far is a negative.

I think adding Circleville and Logan Elm wouldn't be going over the edge for outliers in the league (geographically) like Hillsboro and Jackson. Thinking about it further, I could see those 2 with Unioto and Waverly for 10 teams, though probably isn't likely.

Big (D3)...Small (D4)
Chillicothe...Unioto
Circleville...Logan Elm
Hillsboro...McClain
Jackson...Waverly
Miami Trace...Washington CH

Football teams plays their division opponents + protected crossover rival (Unioto and Waverly can alternate Chillicothe and Jackson if they desire) for 5 FAC games (only 4 division games count towards standings). Teams can also schedule additional conference teams if they desire.

Olympic sports teams play their division opponents + protected crossover rival H&H and everyone else once for 14 conference games. Same above applies here about protected rivals alternating, and teams being able to schedule additional games against conference teams.

[greygoose]

They've been looking to expand for the last what 3-4 years, it's the same thing every single year this isn't new. They reached out to Waverly 2 years ago and Waverly turned them down as they had no plan going forward said they wanted 2 teams. Had Waverly gone in at that time they would've had no say in what other team went in. So anyone discussing Waverly can just put that one to rest, Waverly is only looking at the SVC is there was an expansion there. There's a greater chance of seeing Hillsboro and or McClain leave than we see a team except a FAC invitation, that's the reality of it. You don't see a conference searching for this long and not find a taker, teams don't want to play Miami Trace, Jackson and to a point Chillicothe these schools are just simply that much bigger than everyone in the area. Things are taken much more seriously those teams are fielding individual 7th, 8th, freshman, JV and varsity teams. As always love seeing the talk on it each year but it'll once again fall on deaf ears, they offered to pay for Waverly to leave the SOC they offered up everything but a plan going forward for the additional team. NO GO

Its actually been since 2018. Thats when they first announced they were looking to expand. I believe around that time Unioto, Circleville and Logan Elm said "no thanks" to the FAC. Just a few weeks ago they sent out a message telling nearby schools that they are looking to expand again, and if I had to guess its going to be an overwhelming "no" once again. I totally agree with you, the reason this league can't expand is because Jackson, Chillicothe and Miami Trace will smoke them in a majority of sports, and they are all in situations where they can compete just fine in, really no reason to make the jump to the FAC. If East Clinton does leave the SBAAC, (creating a second opening in the league) Hillsboro and McClain are packing their bags and bolting. I think Chillicothe, Jackson, Miami Trace and WCH will then be a four man conference for awhile.

You are correct they’ve wanted to expand for quite some time, it’s just not going to happen. You’ll see teams leave before you see teams join.

[fball43]

Won't happen, but how about adding Logan, Athens, Gallia Academy, Point Pleasant, Warren, and Marietta for 12 and split into 2 divisions of 6 or 3 pods of 4. Alternatively (more realistic, but still probably unlikely), add Waverly, Unioto, Circleville, Logan Elm, Fairfield Union, and Logan for 12 with 2 divisions of 6 or 3 pods of 4.

FAC could be in trouble if they expand. Almost any direction they go could mean another conference school might leave. If they do go to adding four teams, they need to go one in each direction. These four need to be within the circumference of the conference as it stands now to give the conference a better chance to stay together. No team in the present FAC should have to travel more than they do now. Two of those could be Unioto and Waverly. I'm not sure what schools look the best going west or south I'm not really sure what Unioto would be (I'm thinking North and Waverly East). All six schools that are in now seem to compete well in cross country and track. As it stands now, I think Jackson and Chillicothe hold this conference together. Take Jackson and Chillicothe being in the SEOAL they know going too far is a negative.

I think adding Circleville and Logan Elm wouldn't be going over the edge for outliers in the league (geographically) like Hillsboro and Jackson. Thinking about it further, I could see those 2 with Unioto and Waverly for 10 teams, though probably isn't likely.

Big (D3)...Small (D4)
Chillicothe...Unioto
Circleville...Logan Elm
Hillsboro...McClain
Jackson...Waverly
Miami Trace...Washington CH

Football teams plays their division opponents + protected crossover rival (Unioto and Waverly can alternate Chillicothe and Jackson if they desire) for 5 FAC games (only 4 division games count towards standings). Teams can also schedule additional conference teams if they desire.

Olympic sports teams play their division opponents + protected crossover rival H&H and everyone else once for 14 conference games. Same above applies here about protected rivals alternating, and teams being able to schedule additional games against conference teams.

I overall think that this set up would be a fun idea, and on paper it makes sense. But Unioto and Waverly seem to be tough to convince.

[fball43]

They've been looking to expand for the last what 3-4 years, it's the same thing every single year this isn't new. They reached out to Waverly 2 years ago and Waverly turned them down as they had no plan going forward said they wanted 2 teams. Had Waverly gone in at that time they would've had no say in what other team went in. So anyone discussing Waverly can just put that one to rest, Waverly is only looking at the SVC is there was an expansion there. There's a greater chance of seeing Hillsboro and or McClain leave than we see a team except a FAC invitation, that's the reality of it. You don't see a conference searching for this long and not find a taker, teams don't want to play Miami Trace, Jackson and to a point Chillicothe these schools are just simply that much bigger than everyone in the area. Things are taken much more seriously those teams are fielding individual 7th, 8th, freshman, JV and varsity teams. As always love seeing the talk on it each year but it'll once again fall on deaf ears, they offered to pay for Waverly to leave the SOC they offered up everything but a plan going forward for the additional team. NO GO

Its actually been since 2018. Thats when they first announced they were looking to expand. I believe around that time Unioto, Circleville and Logan Elm said "no thanks" to the FAC. Just a few weeks ago they sent out a message telling nearby schools that they are looking to expand again, and if I had to guess its going to be an overwhelming "no" once again. I totally agree with you, the reason this league can't expand is because Jackson, Chillicothe and Miami Trace will smoke them in a majority of sports, and they are all in situations where they can compete just fine in, really no reason to make the jump to the FAC. If East Clinton does leave the SBAAC, (creating a second opening in the league) Hillsboro and McClain are packing their bags and bolting. I think Chillicothe, Jackson, Miami Trace and WCH will then be a four man conference for awhile.

You are correct they’ve wanted to expand for quite some time, it’s just not going to happen. You’ll see teams leave before you see teams join.

Absolutely. Nobody wants to join this league. This league has no real foundation or plan going forward as you said. This will be a 6 team league for the remainder of its existence, UNLESS the MSL Buckeye implodes and we see Circleville and Logan Elm join due to a lack of options for them. Thats it though.. nobody else is willingly joining the FAC.

[jose]

FAC could be in trouble if they expand. Almost any direction they go could mean another conference school might leave. If they do go to adding four teams, they need to go one in each direction. These four need to be within the circumference of the conference as it stands now to give the conference a better chance to stay together. No team in the present FAC should have to travel more than they do now. Two of those could be Unioto and Waverly. I'm not sure what schools look the best going west or south I'm not really sure what Unioto would be (I'm thinking North and Waverly East). All six schools that are in now seem to compete well in cross country and track. As it stands now, I think Jackson and Chillicothe hold this conference together. Take Jackson and Chillicothe being in the SEOAL they know going too far is a negative.

I think adding Circleville and Logan Elm wouldn't be going over the edge for outliers in the league (geographically) like Hillsboro and Jackson. Thinking about it further, I could see those 2 with Unioto and Waverly for 10 teams, though probably isn't likely.

Big (D3)...Small (D4)
Chillicothe...Unioto
Circleville...Logan Elm
Hillsboro...McClain
Jackson...Waverly
Miami Trace...Washington CH

Football teams plays their division opponents + protected crossover rival (Unioto and Waverly can alternate Chillicothe and Jackson if they desire) for 5 FAC games (only 4 division games count towards standings). Teams can also schedule additional conference teams if they desire.

Olympic sports teams play their division opponents + protected crossover rival H&H and everyone else once for 14 conference games. Same above applies here about protected rivals alternating, and teams being able to schedule additional games against conference teams.

I overall think that this set up would be a fun idea, and on paper it makes sense. But Unioto and Waverly seem to be tough to convince.

Unioto will never leave SVC-I feel confident saying that

[jose]

Its not that I don't like Hillsboro or I am hellbent on them leaving the FAC. HS athletics overall is changing, and schools are trying to cut spending costs and an easy way to do that is by saving on travel expenses for athletic events. It just doesn't make sense to be in a league that will have you making three trips at 1 hour 10 mins+, when there is a potential league option that would have you making no trips over 50 minutes for very VERY similar competition. It is just the way HS athletics are going these days. An SBAAC division of:

Batavia
Clinton-Massie
Hillsboro
Goshen
Western Brown
Wilmington

Makes a lot of sense from a travel and competitive standpoint (with New Richmond going to the small schools).

Looking at the travel of this SBAAC vs an FAC with Circleville/Logan Elm:

Hillsboro (D3) to:

Batavia (D3)- 43 mins
Clinton-Massie (D4)- 46 mins
Goshen (D3)- 48 mins
Western Brown (D3)- 36 mins
Wilmington (D3)- 38 mins

Average- 42 mins

Chillicothe (D3)- 54 mins
Circleville (D3)- 1 hr 14 mins
Greenfield McClain (D4)- 28 mins
Jackson (D3)- 1 hr 17 mins
Logan Elm (D4)- 1 hr 14 mins
Miami Trace (D3)- 45 mins
Washington CH (D4)- 45 mins

Average- 57 mins

Average in the current FAC is 50 mins

I don't think the extra travel is worth it in the FAC for Hillsboro at all. SBAAC would offer much of the same competition for much less overall travel, its almost a no brainer move if you ask me..

You must be a Hillsboro Athlete afraid of competition? Do you ride to each place by horse? Last time I checked WCH and MT are not 45 minutes from Hillsboro. Many of those times mean nothing? I also looked up mileage-not a huge difference. Travel expenses? If that was the case everyone would want Jackson kicked out of league.

You must be a Hillsboro Athlete afraid of competition?

Thats wild not even close to true.. SBAAC and FAC are extremely similar on a competitive level, that's why the 2 conferences play each other a lot in multiple sports. If you're talking competition alone it's essentially a lateral move for Hillsboro. They will not be getting that much less competition in the SBAAC.. the only sport that the FAC is considerably better than the SBAAC is boys and girls basketball. Look it up, WCH and MT are about 45 minutes from Hillsboro (that's from Hillsboro HS to WCH HS and MT HS). Also you have to take into account what the communities want. While being in a league with all their long time rivals (McClain, MT and WCH) is great and all, parents and families don't exactly want to travel a bunch to athletic events, and they already hate the drive to Jackson, and with Circleville and Logan Elm being similar drives that isn't going to exactly make them happy.

No league travel is perfect. Other than Chillicothe-the other 4 teams hate the drive to Jackson. Like I said , when the scol broke up in the 90's the highland county schools and fayette county schools hated either beingg in thetheir new leagues or independent. Whomevver was responsible for dissmantling the latetest scol-(which i know know which 2 supt's at the time-neither one even at their schools now) didn't use common sense. I understand EC wasn'tt competitive but getting rid of Wilm and Massie was dumb.

[Rolltanks]

I think adding Circleville and Logan Elm wouldn't be going over the edge for outliers in the league (geographically) like Hillsboro and Jackson. Thinking about it further, I could see those 2 with Unioto and Waverly for 10 teams, though probably isn't likely.

Big (D3)...Small (D4)
Chillicothe...Unioto
Circleville...Logan Elm
Hillsboro...McClain
Jackson...Waverly
Miami Trace...Washington CH

Football teams plays their division opponents + protected crossover rival (Unioto and Waverly can alternate Chillicothe and Jackson if they desire) for 5 FAC games (only 4 division games count towards standings). Teams can also schedule additional conference teams if they desire.

Olympic sports teams play their division opponents + protected crossover rival H&H and everyone else once for 14 conference games. Same above applies here about protected rivals alternating, and teams being able to schedule additional games against conference teams.

I overall think that this set up would be a fun idea, and on paper it makes sense. But Unioto and Waverly seem to be tough to convince.

Unioto will never leave SVC-I feel confident saying that

We play fac schools in most sports, it would be easier to just play Jackson in football non conference. They are the only fac schools that could win a d4 playoff game or help us prepare for it. I wouldn’t mind playing them and chilly and waverly

[fball43]

You must be a Hillsboro Athlete afraid of competition? Do you ride to each place by horse? Last time I checked WCH and MT are not 45 minutes from Hillsboro. Many of those times mean nothing? I also looked up mileage-not a huge difference. Travel expenses? If that was the case everyone would want Jackson kicked out of league.

You must be a Hillsboro Athlete afraid of competition?

Thats wild not even close to true.. SBAAC and FAC are extremely similar on a competitive level, that's why the 2 conferences play each other a lot in multiple sports. If you're talking competition alone it's essentially a lateral move for Hillsboro. They will not be getting that much less competition in the SBAAC.. the only sport that the FAC is considerably better than the SBAAC is boys and girls basketball. Look it up, WCH and MT are about 45 minutes from Hillsboro (that's from Hillsboro HS to WCH HS and MT HS). Also you have to take into account what the communities want. While being in a league with all their long time rivals (McClain, MT and WCH) is great and all, parents and families don't exactly want to travel a bunch to athletic events, and they already hate the drive to Jackson, and with Circleville and Logan Elm being similar drives that isn't going to exactly make them happy.

No league travel is perfect. Other than Chillicothe-the other 4 teams hate the drive to Jackson. Like I said , when the scol broke up in the 90's the highland county schools and fayette county schools hated either beingg in thetheir new leagues or independent. Whomevver was responsible for dissmantling the latetest scol-(which i know know which 2 supt's at the time-neither one even at their schools now) didn't use common sense. I understand EC wasn'tt competitive but getting rid of Wilm and Massie was dumb.

I can agree that the 2nd fallout of the SCOL was really really dumb, and I know which school was behind it (hint: big fish in a small pond). I unfortunately think that fractured the relationship between the Clinton County schools and everyone else. While I personally think an SCOL reunion would be a lot of fun, and I think Hillsboro, McClain, MT and WCH would be open to it, I don't foresee Massie and Wilmington wanting anything to do with that, they seem to really like the SBAAC and where that league is heading. Although it is nice to see both CM and Wilmington playing more FAC schools in non-league contests these days.. back when the fallout originally happened it was sounding like those two where never going to play any of them ever again..

[fball43]

I overall think that this set up would be a fun idea, and on paper it makes sense. But Unioto and Waverly seem to be tough to convince.

Unioto will never leave SVC-I feel confident saying that

We play fac schools in most sports, it would be easier to just play Jackson in football non conference. They are the only fac schools that could win a d4 playoff game or help us prepare for it. I wouldn’t mind playing them and chilly and waverly

Unioto competes quite well against the FAC schools in non-league play. I think a Unioto vs. Chillicothe/Jackson series would bring in quite a large gate.

[fball43]

I think adding Circleville and Logan Elm wouldn't be going over the edge for outliers in the league (geographically) like Hillsboro and Jackson. Thinking about it further, I could see those 2 with Unioto and Waverly for 10 teams, though probably isn't likely.

Big (D3)...Small (D4)
Chillicothe...Unioto
Circleville...Logan Elm
Hillsboro...McClain
Jackson...Waverly
Miami Trace...Washington CH

Football teams plays their division opponents + protected crossover rival (Unioto and Waverly can alternate Chillicothe and Jackson if they desire) for 5 FAC games (only 4 division games count towards standings). Teams can also schedule additional conference teams if they desire.

Olympic sports teams play their division opponents + protected crossover rival H&H and everyone else once for 14 conference games. Same above applies here about protected rivals alternating, and teams being able to schedule additional games against conference teams.

I overall think that this set up would be a fun idea, and on paper it makes sense. But Unioto and Waverly seem to be tough to convince.

Unioto will never leave SVC-I feel confident saying that

I agree. They will have to be forced out.

[Rolltanks]

I overall think that this set up would be a fun idea, and on paper it makes sense. But Unioto and Waverly seem to be tough to convince.

Unioto will never leave SVC-I feel confident saying that

I agree. They will have to be forced out.

Ya this is the ultimate goal, I can see it happening ppl are very upset because of the last two seasons, it is only going to get worse imo. Other Svc schools that I’ve watched with the exception of Huntington have nothing coming up

[GoBucks1047]

FAC could be in trouble if they expand. Almost any direction they go could mean another conference school might leave. If they do go to adding four teams, they need to go one in each direction. These four need to be within the circumference of the conference as it stands now to give the conference a better chance to stay together. No team in the present FAC should have to travel more than they do now. Two of those could be Unioto and Waverly. I'm not sure what schools look the best going west or south I'm not really sure what Unioto would be (I'm thinking North and Waverly East). All six schools that are in now seem to compete well in cross country and track. As it stands now, I think Jackson and Chillicothe hold this conference together. Take Jackson and Chillicothe being in the SEOAL they know going too far is a negative.

I think adding Circleville and Logan Elm wouldn't be going over the edge for outliers in the league (geographically) like Hillsboro and Jackson. Thinking about it further, I could see those 2 with Unioto and Waverly for 10 teams, though probably isn't likely.

Big (D3)...Small (D4)
Chillicothe...Unioto
Circleville...Logan Elm
Hillsboro...McClain
Jackson...Waverly
Miami Trace...Washington CH

Football teams plays their division opponents + protected crossover rival (Unioto and Waverly can alternate Chillicothe and Jackson if they desire) for 5 FAC games (only 4 division games count towards standings). Teams can also schedule additional conference teams if they desire.

Olympic sports teams play their division opponents + protected crossover rival H&H and everyone else once for 14 conference games. Same above applies here about protected rivals alternating, and teams being able to schedule additional games against conference teams.

I overall think that this set up would be a fun idea, and on paper it makes sense. But Unioto and Waverly seem to be tough to convince.

I agree, and I don't think they'd do it. You'd have better success adding McClain and Waverly to the SVC, maybe Logan Elm and Eastern-Pike for 12 while Circleville could fill McClain's spot in the FAC or Circleville takes the 12th spot in the SVC (this is still probably unlikely).

[fball43]

I think adding Circleville and Logan Elm wouldn't be going over the edge for outliers in the league (geographically) like Hillsboro and Jackson. Thinking about it further, I could see those 2 with Unioto and Waverly for 10 teams, though probably isn't likely.

Big (D3)...Small (D4)
Chillicothe...Unioto
Circleville...Logan Elm
Hillsboro...McClain
Jackson...Waverly
Miami Trace...Washington CH

Football teams plays their division opponents + protected crossover rival (Unioto and Waverly can alternate Chillicothe and Jackson if they desire) for 5 FAC games (only 4 division games count towards standings). Teams can also schedule additional conference teams if they desire.

Olympic sports teams play their division opponents + protected crossover rival H&H and everyone else once for 14 conference games. Same above applies here about protected rivals alternating, and teams being able to schedule additional games against conference teams.

I overall think that this set up would be a fun idea, and on paper it makes sense. But Unioto and Waverly seem to be tough to convince.

I agree, and I don't think they'd do it. You'd have better success adding McClain and Waverly to the SVC, maybe Logan Elm and Eastern-Pike for 12 while Circleville could fill McClain's spot in the FAC or Circleville takes the 12th spot in the SVC (this is still probably unlikely).

I think an expanded SVC could work out well, although unlikely a big division with schools like Unioto, Waverly, Circleville, Logan Elm, Amanda, Fairfield Union, Greenfield, Washington CH would all mesh well together.

[greygoose]

Unioto will never leave SVC-I feel confident saying that

I agree. They will have to be forced out.

Ya this is the ultimate goal, I can see it happening ppl are very upset because of the last two seasons, it is only going to get worse imo. Other Svc schools that I’ve watched with the exception of Huntington have nothing coming up

Obviously you are a Unioto fan and hats off for acknowledging the future. You are 100% right Unioto is on a totally different playing level with what they’ve built and have coming up in football. I’m strictly talking football here as I don’t know what everyone has coming up in every sport but Unioto is painting themselves into a corner here. As they wouldn’t compete in football if they went FAC. Schools have to consider every sport but football is the major mo dy maker for schools.