Ashland 27 Ironton 3

[ELChapo]

Blaming the fans is so lame. Seriously.
They still lead the OVC in attendance.

I hate saying it, but this team really lacks heart. Hopefully they take this loss and learn a lot from it and can bounce back.

[farmer]

During tough times is when fan support is needed the most. That is a true fan not just when things are going well. Tigers looked deflated the fans sure didn't help to pump them up.
It is an all around attitude that effects the players, fans, coaches and the politics. When Ironton was winning it was a combination of fans, team and coaches.
To look at just one part of the problem will not fix the program.

[79Tiger]

Blaming the fans is so lame. Seriously.
They still lead the OVC in attendance.

I hate saying it, but this team really lacks heart. Hopefully they take this loss and learn a lot from it and can bounce back.

It isn't too late to turn things around but I must ask the question, do they really want to?

[farmer]

Blaming the fans is so lame. Seriously.
They still lead the OVC in attendance.

I hate saying it, but this team really lacks heart. Hopefully they take this loss and learn a lot from it and can bounce back.

It isn't too late to turn things around but I must ask the question, do they really want to?

Another question is do the fans really want to have things turn around this year?

[79Tiger]

During tough times is when fan support is needed the most. That is a true fan not just when things are going well. Tigers looked deflated the fans sure didn't help to pump them up.
It is an all around attitude that effects the players, fans, coaches and the politics. When Ironton was winning it was a combination of fans, team and coaches.
To look at just one part of the problem will not fix the program.

When you are a player on that field, you do not need the fans to pump you up. If you are not pumped up already, the fans can't do a darn thing for you. I will always be a Tiger fan but when something is obviously lacking in a team, it is not being unsupportive to point that out. If somebody doesn't point out the obvious, how does the obvious ever get corrected?

[farmer]

Then why do you hear from past Ironton Players how pumped up the got coming out of the locker room hearing the fans?
It should not matter but when you do not hear or see fans leaving doesn't help.
When you say obvious then have you really looked at all things in the football program or just what you see on the field. Sometimes players just do not do what coaches say or practice. Everything must be worked on to improve the program.

[79Tiger]

Blaming the fans is so lame. Seriously.
They still lead the OVC in attendance.

I hate saying it, but this team really lacks heart. Hopefully they take this loss and learn a lot from it and can bounce back.

It isn't too late to turn things around but I must ask the question, do they really want to?

Another question is do the fans really want to have things turn around this year?

Really? If I didn't care, I wouldn't be on here nor would I be at the games. I don't wish failure on anyone but I see more submit to the opponent than fight the opponent and it isn't wrong to point that out. I started going to Tiger football games in 1969 so do you really want to go there with the do the fans really want to turn things around?

[farmer]

It isn't too late to turn things around but I must ask the question, do they really want to?

Another question is do the fans really want to have things turn around this year?

Really? If I didn't care, I wouldn't be on here nor would I be at the games. I don't wish failure on anyone but I see more submit to the opponent than fight the opponent and it isn't wrong to point that out. I started going to Tiger football games in 1969 so do you really want to go there with the do the fans really want to turn things around?

I said fans not all fans. There seems to be a lot of fans that do not want things to turn around they want the coaches go and forget the season Yes I went there with the quote. Just as those who said they have not and will not go to the games. One tonight said play the JV prepare for next season. Just like Lutz's first home game back when some fans posted on this site about leaving at halftime. Some fans didn't but quite a few did. It is not everyone just as with the players and coaches but it all helps in bringing down the program.

[ELChapo]

If the kids are going against what the coaches call, then you pull them from the game. Simple as that. That is not a valid excuse, IMO.

Looks like someone is trying to deflect blame from the giant elephant in the room.

[farmer]

"Sometimes players just do not do what coaches say or practice. Everything must be worked on to improve the program."

Just askin', did you play football @ Ironton?

Try taking time to comprehend what I said instead of asking something that does not matter in this discussion.

[farmer]

If the kids are going against what the coaches call, then you pull them from the game. Simple as that. That is not a valid excuse, IMO.

Looks like someone is trying to deflect blame from the giant elephant in the room.

Elephant in the room. You just want coaches gone. Reality that is not going to fix your problem.

[farmer]

"Sometimes players just do not do what coaches say or practice. Everything must be worked on to improve the program."

Just askin', did you play football @ Ironton?

Try taking time to comprehend what I said instead of asking something that does not matter in this discussion.

Try comprehending this...if you played you would know exactly where I am coming from and it does relate to something you said. 79tiger responded as a player would, you don't get it. You didn't play. Enough said.

[farmer]

Attack the messenger not the message. In case you haven't heard from many people. The past is just that for Ironton Football. Keep living in the past your team will never have much success in the future. For all you are saying about past players how many past players are on the coaching staff.
More truth said.

[fred_flinstone]

There was solid support there and still is! This is not something Ironton is used to everybody is still in a state of shock. This has nothing to do with the Fans, the Tigers have the most fans at every home game in the OVC and I can still here that stupid T I G E R S- TIGERS chant Rick Mcnight leads. When the fans, players and administration see that the wheels are falling off and that their team isn't getting better each week like it should then nobody is happy. When a coach let's players join well after the season has begun and after 2 a days and those players aren't forced to make up the conditioning then all the players second guess the coach because why should they have to continue to put in hard work if Jim and Jack can just waltz in whenever and not pay for it. EVERYTHING starts with coaching and the coach, what type of work ethic does he have, is he intense, does he coach hard, does he expect a lot out of his players? Players embody their coach, I am a firm believer of that and right now the Tigers are acting just like their coach. Just exactly what other support do you want the fans to show? They are showing up for the games, do you want them to cheer for a good punt or cheer for not losing yardage on the play? The parents/fans can't play or coach. I look at it like this Chesapeake was very good through the 90's in to the mid 2000's then had plenty of down years from about 2006-2010 and the attendance was horrible and people started second guessing the greatest football coach to ever walk the sidelines at Chesapeake, he coached one more year and correct me if I am wrong but that team won the conference I believe and there wasn't to many people there to cheer for them. Now coach Clark has continued the same traditions and styles Coach Davis had and finally the stadium is nearly full on Friday nights. I noticed it last week and this week as I was at the bottom of the steps about to walk to my seat and thought man it's great that the crowd looks like this now and is here supporting! But it took winning and playoff appearances to make it happen. Heck Andy Clarks third year they had a losing record and people were disgruntled and wanted him fired and Chesapeake didn't have nearly the tradition Ironton has had over the past 30+ years. Face it man it's over! The players don't want to work or play for this staff because they are a joke. Vass won last year on the coat tails of Lutz and what he instilled in his players and because the OVC was wayyyyy down. Well now that they have had a few years to learn bad habits and have been aloud to be undisciplined well it shows each week. Again I will say the PARENT/FANS can't play, coach, or be discipline on the field! One last thing, think about Marshall under Pruit it was about winning championships and playing hard and it was a sell out every weekend, well guess what then the Ironton Beloved Mark Snyder came in and totally took the wind out of Marshalls sails, terrible recruiting and constant losing records, then Doc Holiday comes in and the recruiting gets better, they start winning championships and guess what the fans are back behind them and there are more people attending games. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE COACHING AND THE PRODUCT ON THE FIELD! I'm sorry your best friends with VASS but it's time for pack it up.

[79Tiger]

Another question is do the fans really want to have things turn around this year?

Really? If I didn't care, I wouldn't be on here nor would I be at the games. I don't wish failure on anyone but I see more submit to the opponent than fight the opponent and it isn't wrong to point that out. I started going to Tiger football games in 1969 so do you really want to go there with the do the fans really want to turn things around?

I said fans not all fans. There seems to be a lot of fans that do not want things to turn around they want the coaches go and forget the season Yes I went there with the quote. Just as those who said they have not and will not go to the games. One tonight said play the JV prepare for next season. Just like Lutz's first home game back when some fans posted on this site about leaving at halftime. Some fans didn't but quite a few did. It is not everyone just as with the players and coaches but it all helps in bringing down the program.

Are you talking about the 7-0 loss against Columbus Desales? I was at that game and I don't remember people leaving at halftime. I know many fans were upset at the loss and the loss to Portsmouth the following week. After all, they were following a '71 team that went 9-1 in the last year of Bob Bruney's tenure at Ironton and it was his only winning season. He followed that amazing season to return to his alma mater to coach and eventually become Martin Ferry's AD. That being said, that '72 team started what became a record setting 34 game winning streak in the SEOAL by winning their final 8 games to finish the season 8-2. I was in the locker room after that Portsmouth loss and there were a lot of dejected players. 5 minutes later Lutz and Burcham had whipped them into such a frenzy that you would have thought they won the game. They may have lost the game, but they won the season. The next year, the Tigers finished 11-1 and played for a State Championship. It isn't too late for this team to turn it around. I just don't see it happening.

[farmer]

79tiger said "When you are a player on that field, you do not need the fans to pump you up. If you are not pumped up already, the fans can't do a darn thing for you". If you played you would likely respond as 79tiger did, you play for your team - your coaches & teammates. If you didn't play you wouldn't understand this. Don't get all butthurt, I'm not attacking you.

You play for your coaches & teammates. Then why is it just the coaches fault? I understand quite a bit of football and played. There is a film on about a football team. Some thinks it is a football movie but more a life movie. As the game stands still.

[farmer]

Really? If I didn't care, I wouldn't be on here nor would I be at the games. I don't wish failure on anyone but I see more submit to the opponent than fight the opponent and it isn't wrong to point that out. I started going to Tiger football games in 1969 so do you really want to go there with the do the fans really want to turn things around?

I said fans not all fans. There seems to be a lot of fans that do not want things to turn around they want the coaches go and forget the season Yes I went there with the quote. Just as those who said they have not and will not go to the games. One tonight said play the JV prepare for next season. Just like Lutz's first home game back when some fans posted on this site about leaving at halftime. Some fans didn't but quite a few did. It is not everyone just as with the players and coaches but it all helps in bringing down the program.

Are you talking about the 7-0 loss against Columbus Desales? I was at that game and I don't remember people leaving at halftime. I know many fans were upset at the loss and the loss to Portsmouth the following week. After all, they were following a '71 team that went 9-1 in the last year of Bob Bruney's tenure at Ironton and it was his only winning season. He followed that amazing season to return to his alma mater to coach and eventually become Martin Ferry's AD. That being said, that '72 team started what became a record setting 34 game winning streak in the SEOAL by winning their final 8 games to finish the season 8-2. I was in the locker room after that Portsmouth loss and there were a lot of dejected players. 5 minutes later Lutz and Burcham had whipped them into such a frenzy that you would have thought they won the game. They may have lost the game, but they won the season. The next year, the Tigers finished 11-1 and played for a State Championship. It isn't too late for this team to turn it around. I just don't see it happening.

No the first home game back when Lutz came back after Triplett.

[fred_flinstone]

Are you completely ignoring my post? All of these players agree they don't want to play for this guy anymore that's why they aren't inspired, their coach isn't inspired. He's on the burning lava smoldering magma hot seat. It's all about the coach and the type of persona he gives of to his players they have to have somebody they believe in and they don't.

[fred_flinstone]

FARMER AND IBTT ARE THE SAME PERSON LOL

[79Tiger]

Bruney went 7-3 in '69, 5-5 in '70, 9-1 in '71. Lutz was 8-2 in '72. Bruney got the program started.

Thanks for that info. I thought they had a losing season in his first year. After all, I was only 7 years old in '69. And yes, Bruney and his sidekick Bill Trent, who was head coach at Gallipolis my senior year, started one hell of a tradition.