Ironton Out Of SEOAL?

Old Tom Morris · Post by **Old Tom Morris** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:01 am

RiverRatTiger

I makes more sense than you think it does until you find another league to play in.

PM me if you like >>>>> I will be happy to expand on my opinion for you.

YOU'RE TIGER BAIT · Post by **YOU'RE TIGER BAIT** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:13 am

i think the league is also great for football.

Rhiannon · Post by **Rhiannon** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 9:01 am

Why is it only good for football?

Also I have asked this question before but for some reason, those in the know on here,don't want to answer it. If not mistaken when Ironton decided to get in this league, the coaches were asked to vote whether or not to join. When it was brought before the school board, they asked what the coaches thought about it. There was only 1 coach, Tim Thomas, who coaches track, that voted no. So that would mean that they were all for it. I am sure they were aware of how long it took to get to these places they would be playing. So why now are they wanting out of the league? Is it all the coaches or just a few? I have no clue which coaches are wanting out, just asking.

91blue14 · Post by **91blue14** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 10:11 am

army we got qb`s 6-4 260. the game has changed bigger and faster. to be a small kid you better have good vision. yeah hamilton township in obetz 102 miles to the school all high way about an hour half drive. the state has challenged all teams with these added games to playoffs. i think across the board if your league cannot supply you enough points to qualify for playoffs. you need to look elsewhere. i am not picking on anyone but teams southern division are not in competition for the playoffs with the north division so does this league benefit everyone NO WAY.

BIG DIFFERENCE IN A 7-3 ironton or gahs team than a 7-3 logan or marietta. 7-3 is good year of football :arrow:

ji81grad · Post by **ji81grad** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 12:16 pm

WOW

Such hate and discontent. I said it when the topic first came up - don't offer Ironton an invitation. My rationale was simply league pride. In the 80s Ironton left because the league wasn't good enough for Ironton fooball. Now, Ironton didn't deserve the opportunity to leave again but the league allowed themselves to be fooled again.

The reason Bob Lutz doesn't like the SEOAL as much as being an independant is simple. He wants to control the schedule so you don't play tough games each week. Far better to split those games around cupcakes so you don't have to get up every week. It makes good sense if you want to go to the playoffs every year. Schedule 4 or 5 quality opponens divided by 4 or 5 not so quality teams allowing you to take a breather now and then. Not dogging him for being smart, mind you, I think it's a great formula for long term success. Woody always did the same thing at OSU. Problem with the league is you end up playing a stretch like Jackson, Gallia, Chillicothe, Portsmouth and Logan. No one can be expected to run that gauntlet unscathed very often. Just from a physical aspect even when those teams are down, they're physical and those bumps and bruises do have an ongoing effect on your team.

:-D

ohbuckeye2 · Post by **ohbuckeye2** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 12:37 pm

ji81grad wrote:WOW

Such hate and discontent. I said it when the topic first came up - don't offer Ironton an invitation. My rationale was simply league pride. In the 80s Ironton left because the league wasn't good enough for Ironton fooball. Now, Ironton didn't deserve the opportunity to leave again but the league allowed themselves to be fooled again.

The reason Bob Lutz doesn't like the SEOAL as much as being an independant is simple. He wants to control the schedule so you don't play tough games each week. Far better to split those games around cupcakes so you don't have to get up every week. It makes good sense if you want to go to the playoffs every year. Schedule 4 or 5 quality opponens divided by 4 or 5 not so quality teams allowing you to take a breather now and then. Not dogging him for being smart, mind you, I think it's a great formula for long term success. Woody always did the same thing at OSU. Problem with the league is you end up playing a stretch like Jackson, Gallia, Chillicothe, Portsmouth and Logan. No one can be expected to run that gauntlet unscathed very often. Just from a physical aspect even when those teams are down, they're physical and those bumps and bruises do have an ongoing effect on your team.

Now that's some pretty funny stuff..........If that's the case seems like there should have been alot more teams catch on to that theory a long time ago, as you put it. :lol:

ohbuckeye2 · Post by **ohbuckeye2** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:08 pm

Some facts for you.........Tigers the last 7 years..........

Games played 81 ---- 60 wins 21 losses

Games with teams winning % above 500 ---58 out of 81 games
record against these teams 37 - 21

Overall record by division played

D1 - 4-1
D2 - 10-5
D3 - 15-6
D4 - 24-8
D5 - 7-1

Record by division played teams above 500

D1 - 2-1
D2 - 5-5
D3 - 9-6
D4 - 15-8
D5 - 6-1

Playoff appearances - 6 -- playoff record 6-6

Mighty Mighty Devils · Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:48 pm

the state needs to step in a regulate this a little there is no more travel involved in being in the league than being independent and you don't travel to lets say zanesville every year besides at least its in state not out of the country The teams that are pulling out are not doing there kids any favor's by going to lesser leagues or a easy independent line up

BubbleGumTiger · Post by **BubbleGumTiger** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:48 pm

gahs4ever wrote:ji81grad: You know me as I do you, and I think it is gross;y inaccurate to suggest that Lutz ducked anybody in his day. If anything, the SEOAL greatly hindered Ironton's chances of making the playoffs, and I think someone told me once that his best team didnt make it in even though they were undefeated. My memory might be wrong, but I dont think so.

Scheduling teams like CAPE in their heyday, along with DeSales most years to go along with longtime local rivals such as Wheelersburg and Portsmouth was also a load in those days, and that is just four games off the schedule.

Also, whether Ironton leaves or not isnt a done deal from what Ive been told, so perhaps all this leaving again talk is premature. Time will tell. What year was it that Jackson gave game film of Ironton to an Ironton playoff opponent even though Ironton was a fellow SEOAL member at the time? Early 80s? Perhaps 1980?

Totally inaccurate might be a better term to use and I think you are correct on 1980, Jackson tied Ironton 7-7 in 1980 and Ironton went on to lose the first round playoff game to John Glenn at the Tank.....

Ironton squeezed by the Ironmen in 1981 by the close score of 62-14...

Army · Post by **Army** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:59 pm

gahs4ever wrote:ji81grad: You know me as I do you, and I think it is gross;y inaccurate to suggest that Lutz ducked anybody in his day. If anything, the SEOAL greatly hindered Ironton's chances of making the playoffs, and I think someone told me once that his best team didnt make it in even though they were undefeated. My memory might be wrong, but I dont think so.

Scheduling teams like CAPE in their heyday, along with DeSales most years to go along with longtime local rivals such as Wheelersburg and Portsmouth was also a load in those days, and that is just four games off the schedule.

Also, whether Ironton leaves or not isnt a done deal from what Ive been told, so perhaps all this leaving again talk is premature. Time will tell. What year was it that Jackson gave game film of Ironton to an Ironton playoff opponent even though Ironton was a fellow SEOAL member at the time? Early 80s? Perhaps 1980?

Gahs4ever,
Didn't Lutz share the teams film with the other team and vice versa? Usually both teams playing each other in the playoffs share there teams film with each other? I hope they stay. They as I have said before can compete in all sports.

If Jackson did that to a fellow SEOAL member back then...WOW that's down right evil

ji81grad · Post by **ji81grad** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 10:06 pm

Once again, you have looked for something that wasn't there. I was very careful to no infer that Lutz "ducked" anyone. What I said was that he avoids scheduling several tough games back to back which is a very smart thing to do. They still, and always have played a good schedule. My inference here is that you don't play 5 tough teams in a row, rather you put a "softer" team in there every 2 or 3 weeks to give your team a breather between those tough games that get you ino and ready for the playoffs. When you are in a league this is not possible.

The previous defection from the league by Ironton had alot to do with the fact that most of the league's programs were down. In th early eighties Jackson was pathetic year in and year out. The Pee Wee Program has greatly enhanced Jackson football and created the outstanding teams we saw in the past 10-15 years. Right now we lack those great classes but some are on the horizon. Jackson will be down again this year and probably the next couple of years, likely under .500, but help is coming.

RiverRatRay · Post by **RiverRatRay** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 5:37 am

I really love going to Jackson to play. The people in Jackson have a field that is the envy of everyone in Southern Ohio. Food in the concession stand is second to none. I just hope we continue to trek up 93 every other year.

IronTigerMum · Post by **IronTigerMum** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:14 am

gahs: You are right on the 'filmgate'. That year, my brother played and the boys found out about the film. Half the team came to my house to get their heads shaved in anticipation of that game. I think Mr. Mum and I were both clipping away all evening. Some great memories for me on that one. Steve Willis and Keith Clay sure had big heads!! Rick's head had more scars than Kellogg's has Corn Flakes. Geesh, some heads are ugly shaved!! :lol:

We HAD to get out of the league to make playoffs. It worked. ;-)

ItownHosscat · Post by **ItownHosscat** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:19 am

I remember those Kojacks! :lol:

IronTigerMum · Post by **IronTigerMum** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 8:35 am

2old: My red velvet cake that's in the oven needs my attention. Want me to send you a piece to sweeten you up a lil? ;-)

Amen Corner · Post by **Amen Corner** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 8:45 am

Rhiannon wrote:Why is it only good for football?

Also I have asked this question before but for some reason, those in the know on here,don't want to answer it. If not mistaken when Ironton decided to get in this league, the coaches were asked to vote whether or not to join. When it was brought before the school board, they asked what the coaches thought about it. There was only 1 coach, Tim Thomas, who coaches track, that voted no. So that would mean that they were all for it. I am sure they were aware of how long it took to get to these places they would be playing. So why now are they wanting out of the league? Is it all the coaches or just a few? I have no clue which coaches are wanting out, just asking.

You and I and most of the others, know why ;-)

2old · Post by **2old** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 9:27 am

Mum,
Do you notice the grinches are busy. Not only editing my post but gee now they seem to disappaerr too. Must be an editor and a magician. What i said was ironton had to get out of the league in the 80's to make the playoffs and now in the 2000'ss ironton has to get out of the league again to make the playoffs. Funny how that works. What goes around comes around.

2old · Post by **2old** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 10:04 am

0 the number of play off games ironton had in 2007.
0 the number of league Championships Itonton has won in the 2000's
0 the number of times ironton has defeated Logan since reentering the league.

Countless the numbers of ironton posters who suffer from Chieftain Envy. Win a game against Logan and then do something with those fingers.

sports junkie · Post by **sports junkie** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 10:09 am

0, The number of playoff wins for Logan in 2007
0, The number of playoff wins for logan in 2006
0, The number of playoff wins for Logan in 2005
0, The number of playoff wins for Logan in 2004
0, The number of playoff wins for Logan in 2003

Do I need to continue? Logan Div. 2 wanna bees :lol:

2old · Post by **2old** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 10:17 am

Sorry Tobias,
You are wrong again. I most of all have taken nothing away from ironton's past. It was truly a football power in those days.

But everyone who can read now knows those guys are nearly as old as me. We are talking football today. Most schools have moved forward. look at nelsonville. It would be a good model for you guys. They won the state but they know it was a long time ago. They are concerned with football today.

If you want to discuss football history or football trivia go find the correct forum. This is today football.