How well will Athens play in the TVC

Spartan · Post by **Spartan** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 6:05 pm

Not much validity in your statements fasteach considering the obvious dysfunctionality of most matters in the Meigs district. I doubt anybody in Athens would want to trade places with you guys ..

fasteach · Post by **fasteach** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 6:42 pm

why not we have consistantly finished in the top of the league in football. is not this about football?we have thrashed both alex and athens in football for years and the stands are always packed for home games. if our league was represented by all meigs size schools then athens joining would be great. we are one of the largest. there are some very small schools here. during both the justin roush years and mike bartrum years meigs never made the play-offs because of the schools they played. that was a shame because the team with roush and abbott was very good. and bartrum and chancy was probably better. wins against 1-9 teams killed our points as did playing schools 1-2 divisions down. we now have some really small schools that do not project getting larger. athens will soon be division 2 playing division 6? does this sound ok? why not just schedule some 9th grade teams. beating them will not get athens nowhere and will not put buts in the seats.
it's lose/lose.can't you see that?

NYBuckeye96 · Post by **NYBuckeye96** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 6:45 pm

SEOAL 1967:
Athens
Gallia Academy
Jackson
Logan
Meigs
Nelsonville-York
Wellston

TVC OHIO 2008:
Alexander
Athens
Belpre
Meigs
Nelsonville-York
Vinton County
Wellston

The only difference is you have Vinton County, Alexander, and Belpre replacing Gallia Academy, Jackson, and Logan.

NYBuckeye96 · Post by **NYBuckeye96** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 6:47 pm

Actually, Athens is shrinking. Athens used to be Division II until a few years ago. So if trends at Athens continue, Athens will gradually fall lower into the ranks of Division III over time, not rise up to Division II. Many districts in southeastern Ohio have fallen one division over the past decade.

Examples:
Logan from I to II
Athens and Chillicothe from II to III
Ironton, Portsmouth, Meigs, Gallia Academy from III to IV
Belpre, Nelsonville-York, Federal Hocking, Wheelersburg, Portsmouth West from IV to V
Trimble and Miller from V to VI

NYBuckeye96 · Post by **NYBuckeye96** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:46 pm

http://www.ohsaa.org/members/hsenroll07.htm

Current Enrollment Figures:

1. Athens 340 boys
2. Vinton County 295 boys
3. Meigs 253 boys
4. Alexander 207 boys
5. Wellston 198 boys
6. Belpre 166 boys
7. Nelsonville-York 160 boys

MVL
1. Tri-Valley 409 boys
2. Philo 309 boys
3. Sheridan 304 boys
4. Morgan 283 boys
5. John Glenn 259 boys
6. Maysville 249 boys
7. West Muskingum 236 boys
8. New Lexington 232 boys
9. Crooksville 144 boys

Tri-Valley has a greater enrollment advantage in the MVL than Athens will have in the TVC, and Tri-Valley does not dominate everything in that league. Tri-Valley has 100 more boys than second place Philo!

fasteach · Post by **fasteach** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:33 pm

i don't think it is crooksville either. and they do not use ineligible players either do they? :lol:

OneHitWonder · Post by **OneHitWonder** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:02 pm

fasteach

Some of us here at SEOP have short memories. I seem to remember a few short years ago when Meigs Came to Athens and was throttled by the Bulldogs. The Gregory years. The other thing that I remember about the game was that Athens had a good-sized crowd. Athens finished 7-3 (third in the SEOAL) that year and had good crowds both home and away.

Al Davis had it right â€œJUST WIN BABYâ€

Joining the TVC gives the student athletes at Athens an opportunity to be COMPETATIVE on the football field, something that they have not been in the SEOAL for the better part of 20 years.

Let me spell this out to where you can understand it. A more competitive team will generate more interest and more interest = bigger crowds.

If the TVC has demonstrated anything over the years especially in football itâ€™s that size does not matter. The two smallest schools in the Ohio Division (N-Y, Belpre) have more TVC titles than all of the other schools combined.

Athens DOES NOT have the Athletes to compete in the SEOAL in Football.
I donâ€™t care if they are Division I, II, III etc.

If size had anything to do with how competitive a team is then Meigs should have won many more titles than Nelsonville(17) or Belpre (14). Tell me again. How many TVC titles Meigs has won in football. Also if I look back on the records the Meigs (253 boys) Galli (247 boys) series should be a push. Surly two teams with almost identical student populations would at least be close to splitting the series. You wouldnâ€™t happen to have any information about their overall series record?

buckfan84 · Post by **buckfan84** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 11:13 pm

I think Athens will eventually be fine in the TVC.

And no, Athens is not growing. Look up the census reports and more importantly, look up the census figures for HS aged kids. Not growing. Take away the college population and you have a small city of about 7,000. Now I realize that they pull from The Plains and outlying areas but that population is not growing either. OU continues to grow and that is where the growth and population occurs.

Rather than pull down the TVC, I believe it will be the opposite. If Athens can keep the same coach to build a football program, they will be just fine. NY did the same thing in the 70's and continue to win the TVC presently.

fasteach · Post by **fasteach** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:36 am

one hit wonder on the gallia front it works like this. gallipolis draws the best players away from river valley. this is why gallia is consistantly good and they are the same bad. those 10% from the county go to play in town to be on a bigger stage and to play for a team commited to winning. rv suffers every year and hardly ever wins while gallia does good. with the seoal now letting really huge schools in gallia is getting clobbered in some games.

Charles Farquar · Post by **Charles Farquar** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:55 pm

Fast Reach there are two divisions in the TVC, Athens will be in the Ohio Division and not be playing any Hocking Division or small school division schools. Divisional break downs for football are the following
Athens III
Meigs III
Vinton County III
Wellston IV
Alexander IV
Athens already competes in the Division II Track and Field District
meet against Division II Meigs, Vinton County, Alexander and Wellston
every year to go to the Regionals in Track.
I dont think anyone at Athens is thinking the move to the TVC was because of some ego trip in which they had no respect fot the TVC teams or that they thought they would come in and dominate the TVC. They are looking out for the best interest of their kids in leaving the Expanded SEOAL, a league that they would only be able to compete in once in a great while. Why not make a move to allow your kids to compete with success? I think it was a good move and it maY take a little time but successfully competing will give their kids the confidence AND SUCCESS they would have never achieved in the SEOAL.

NYBuckeye96 · Post by **NYBuckeye96** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:09 pm

Here is the current enrollment for both divisions of the TVC:

TVC OHIO
1. Athens 340 boys
2. Vinton County 295 boys
3. Meigs 253 boys
4. Alexander 207 boys
5. Wellston 198 boys
6. Belpre 166 boys
7. Nelsonville-York 160 boys

TVC HOCKING
1. Federal Hocking 165 boys
2. Miller 129 boys
3. Trimble 126 boys
4. Eastern 99 boys
5. Southern 97 boys
6. Waterford 81 boys

fasteach · Post by **fasteach** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:05 pm

why is athens coming to the tvc?if it is because they do not feel they can win why come? they are going to playing schools so small that there will be no play-off points. 3 of the schools have barely 160 wellston's enrollment is dropping. what will a potential division 2 school bring to the table? not only will they not get points they won't give any either. if they where in a league with schools the size of meigs and vinton county it would be ok. guys belpre had 22 kids on it's football team.how small do you have to be before you have to quit playing? is there a soccer team other than athens and alex? meigs sure does not have one. what needs to be adressed is a lack of school spirit and why? until then the tail is wagging the dog[/u]

bulldog0909 · Post by **bulldog0909** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:34 pm

Not much validity in your statements fasteach considering the obvious dysfunctionality of most matters in the Meigs district. I doubt anybody in Athens would want to trade places with you guys ..

thats for sure!

fasteach · Post by **fasteach** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:07 pm

before you bash meigs too much we do occasionally win a sports contest. 2nd in football, 3 game win streak in basketball. league champs at baseball and golf to name a few. watch that rock throwing oh you who live in glass houses.

boilermaker · Post by **boilermaker** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:28 pm

I think Athens will eventually be the team to beat in a few years in football ,and most sports. Just by the numbers alone. JMO

fasteach · Post by **fasteach** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:38 pm

exactly boilermaker. then all these people on here will be complaining about not being in the play-offs and how they should have stayed in the seoal which will reform back into what it used to be without logan, chili, ironton or zanesville.

NYBuckeye96 · Post by **NYBuckeye96** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:05 pm

The only school in the league that has consistently made the playoffs is NY and NY plays Athens every season anyways. I promise you NY will not be complaining because these schools have a very long history playing each other.

mister b · Post by **mister b** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:42 am

In about 5 years, the TVC Ohio schools will be saying to themselves, "...what were we thinking when we let them in ?" I am not just talking about football.

I think they will start winning because success breeds success and they will compete better in the TVC then the SEOAL.

boilermaker · Post by **boilermaker** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:24 am

Mister B,,Finally we agree!
This Will be a disaster for most TVC schools in most sports.I think year in year out N-Y will compete in football and wrestling thats about it , Wellston will compete most years in football and baseball . Alexander (dont know much about it but Im guessing soccer)and Baseball.

The list goes on , when I say compete I mean 4-10 years when Athens gets rolling. I just wonder how long the Bulldogs will be satisfied with TVC Ohio Titles with very little playoff consideration?

This is NOT a slam on the TVC Ohio for the schools in now its competeitive most years.

IT may take a couple of years but when winning returns to Athens they will no longer be facing Logan Gahs or Jackson now its Wellston N-Y and Vinton Co.
I wish all schools all the luck in the world in 2008!

fasteach · Post by **fasteach** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:37 am

at last someone agrees with me. this is not a slam on athens. right now they are not competitive in the seoal. this is not a slam on the tvc. maybe they will now gear up for what may come. but then this may break up the seoal and the tvc. and that is a shame. 10 years from now it could kill both leagues. the seoal is the oldest continual athletic league in ohio. and the tvc is home to alot of orphans with no place else to go.