Warren Local vs Logan Elm

bman618 · Post by **bman618** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:53 pm

Should be a good game. Warren is a quality team so Logan Elm is going to have to play a good game to get this win. I look for som.ething like 55-42

warrnwarriorfan · Post by **warrnwarriorfan** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:31 am

Swami:

You hit the nail on the head. The following is a quick run down of the injuries that have occurred to players that were expected to be in the rotation this season:

Call: Flu/Hospitalized - 2-3 weeks
Hooper: Ankle - sprain/2 weeks
Lemon: Ankle - broken/out for season
Hebb: ankle - sprain/2 weeks
Ellenwood: high ankle/back/flu - 10 weeks
Fivecoait: ankle/flu: - 4 weeks
Wolfe: broken finger - 6 weeks

Lemon was a leading scorer and defender on the team and he's gone. There have been very few occasions where everyone has been available, so roles have been juggled and shifted. Everyone else is back, but this is not a team that has had the opportunity to gel over the course of the season. The younger players on the bench have been particularly beat-up this season. Except for Venham, none of them look comfortable right now.

swamisez · Post by **swamisez** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:28 pm

hats off to Grant Venham

he has stepped up for Warren in a big way this year.

Should pay dividends down the road.

runhallerun · Post by **runhallerun** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:28 pm

Dave - quit with the injury excuses - except for situational substitutions this year the coach has played a seven man rotation.

This year's Warren team is very talented, and, IMO, should not have lost to FF, Maysville or Logan. Warren, has for the last few years struggled to score in their half court sets. This is because they do a poor job of setting screens, moving without the basketball, and simply passing the basketball. So when this time of year comes around, and they face good defensive teams, things get a little iffy, because if they do not shoot well from long distance they will lose. Warren can only score if it is a layup or a 3 pointer - take one or the other away and you beat them.

Please understand, I am not taking shots at the coaching staff. They do a lot of things well. I think Warren is a very good defensive basketball team. I believe the coaching staff genuinely cares about the kids, and most importantly, I believe they do a good job of keeping the parents at arms length, and not playing the political game. I just want Warren to get better at playing half court basketball. Learn how to cut, pick and pass - these things can be taught.

The future is very bright at Warren. Warren is losing some very good players this year, but I believe the underclassmen in the program will be even better - If they continue to develope their games!!!!

Good luck to Warren this Thursday.

fighting_falcon · Post by **fighting_falcon** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:58 pm

You can lead a horse to water..

Kids are the ones that have to make the difference. They have been taught (many of them) since 3rd grade how to screen and cut. If they choose to not do it or do it half way then they are the ones cheating themselves and their teammates.

The trouble with most of these Warren teams lately is their basketball IQ. They have been very good athletes but not very good basketball players. Can you tell me how many actually play any type of AAU ball. I know some of the freshman do and will but how about any of this years seniors or juniors?? I think you get my point. If you chose to get better you will if you don't you won't.

warrnwarriorfan · Post by **warrnwarriorfan** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:22 pm

RHR: Maybe my perspective has been tainted by how badly injuries have frustrated things in my own household. I know that injuries have been awful for the team this year. I'm really not ultimately using this as an excuse, but I agree with Swami in that this has been a reason for the erratic performance this year.

I don't disagree with your comments about the 1/2 court game. We saw it again against Meigs.

Falcon: After the kids get to high school it's hard to find a place for them to play as only the top few in each class are asked to participate. Only 2 from Warren can play on each team, and there aren't that many teams in SEO. Moreover, if you are more than a one sport player there is very, very little time. Last summer my kid was asked to play but did not for the first time in many years because football and basketball already had him scheduled with 2-3 things every day (literally). If he were a one sport athlete he could do it (many AAU players are one sport only). As it is, there is just not much time for it.

Diehard Fan · Post by **Diehard Fan** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:58 pm

fighting_falcon, what team have you been watching this year, Warrens seniors are very gifted athletes and win on sure hustle and desire. They are very basketball smart, and all are very good students. The only problem is that they do not have any size and never have for several years. The seniors will really be missed come next year because from what i have seen, not much coming up next few years. You cant replace the athleticism that those seniors have. Plus AAU is not always a good thing, alot of times it can ruin a kid more than help them.

Diehard Fan · Post by **Diehard Fan** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:06 pm

I believe Warren will pull this one out and move on.

warrnwarriorfan · Post by **warrnwarriorfan** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:38 pm

Diehard: That's the first time I've heard that Warren doesn't have any talent coming up through the system . . .

You obviously see deficiencies that most other folks don't. I guess the performance of the JV the last couple years is a poor indicator of future success.

The future of Warren basketball appreciates your support.

ibleedblue24 · Post by **ibleedblue24** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:37 pm

whatever warren team decides to get off the bus will determine the outcome of this one... i think if the warriors penetrate and dish and try to work it inside they will win..im going to guess that logan elm will play a zone because that has seemed to give warren the most fits this year and if they do not try to work the inside-out game then they might get embarrased...however if they move the ball and work it inside then back out for open shots like they are capable of then i think they should come out on top...hard to say the future isn't looking bright when u got a junior,3 sophomores, and a freshman that get to see quite a bit of varsity court time...also got another good freshman on the bech that could be a heck of a player if he gets in the weight room...pulling for the WARRIORS!

Diehard Fan · Post by **Diehard Fan** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:46 pm

warriorfan, i met to say not much size coming up in the next few years.

runhallerun · Post by **runhallerun** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:51 pm

Just a few comments!

Diehard - this year's senior class is a great group of kids - awesome athletes - (people are going to get mad) - average basketball players. Their basketball IQs have not improved all that much in 4 years of high school ball. They will be missed - but there is plenty of talent to replace them next year.

AAU is overrated - kids get better playing against better kids and better competition. Open gym is where this is done. I really wish we had an outdoor park around here where the kids could go play daylight to dark - Its your court until you get beat - WINNER STAYS!

Fan - been that route with the ankle - I knew that was going to be tough one to get over - given the timing and all. Injuries like that one can make for a difficult season. As far as the team - I did not mean to make light of them. I just think there is plenty of talent out there - to overcome those injuries. Lets not use them as an excuse - in losing to FF, Logan, and Maysville. Warren must get better at executing in the half court - and Falcon if kids will not screen, cut, and pass correctly - get them off the floor and put kids in there who will.

One more question - Does a made basket - shot between 5 and 15 feet still count for two points?????????

hoopball · Post by **hoopball** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:14 pm

There is a common denominator here ... the last three years of JV ball have shown better records than the Varsity ... think it through
Now for iq. of the players... they have been told to do things certain ways... so dont question thier knowlwdge of the game , and then you bring in underclassmen with not much experience who call for the ball .. and then cut the other way ... makes your good players look stupid... they have some basketball players out there ... but I question the guidance , not the players abilities... for they have been truly in question of offensive sets , and 2-3 zone defenses options.

ibleedblue24 · Post by **ibleedblue24** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:04 pm

runhallerun...how many games have you been to this year?...do you think there is anyone else that has a higher basketball iq than the kids on the team?...i would think that if there was they would be playing...and if they aren't they don't have much room to say anything about the people that go out there and work as hard as they can for 4 months...as for the seniors, seems how they have lost less then ten games,i believe,from freshman year on, i think they must be doing something right...its a lot easier to critisize from the stands than put forth the effort on the court...

ibleedblue24 · Post by **ibleedblue24** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:06 pm

as for injuries i didn't think anyone said the injuries were the reasons for the losses...it just usually helps to be healthy...

8y2bgt · Post by **8y2bgt** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:17 pm

Long time reader, first time writer. Just wanted to say I am [i]very proud[/i] of Team Warren this year. I think Hunter and Call have been great vocal leaders and have had their play speak for them as well. Hunter has stepped up to be a very solid floor leader for Coach Maddox, and Call has had the 2 best dunks in the history of WHS basketball this year.

Great group of seniors (Majoy, Horner, Hooper, Lemon) who have all led the team on any given night. This group did their best with the toughest schedule Warren has played in the last 10 years. 15-3 outside of Zanesville and Chilly, with 3 close losses they had the ability to pull out.

Blue- give yourself the chance to play a state title contender for the district title. Take care of the basketball, knock down your free throws and I like your chances....

Hitchbone64 · Post by **Hitchbone64** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:42 pm

^^^^

8y2, Welcome to SEOP board... I agree with the talent Warren has. They played Chilly tough and physical, but we had more depth and our defense took over. I think they are in this game and can win. They will have to knock down shots and hit the boards.

GO CAVS!!! GO SEOAL!!!

gobraves90 · Post by **gobraves90** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:55 pm

Sounds like what Logan Elm has to do, too! LE needs to do a better job of keeping its big guys on the floor to help with the rebounding. No foul trouble for Largent and Holbrook. Besides, I thought I was going to have a heart attack when I saw Tim Congrove banging down low for rebounds against NW on Friday. Good to know he can do it. Hopefully, we won't have to see it much on Thursday.

Diehard Fan · Post by **Diehard Fan** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:24 am

runhallerun, what makes you such an expert, i bet you have not attended any games for awhile. You seem to be down on Warren about something. Also did you ever play any ball , if you did I bet you road the pine alot. Anyway Warren seniors have had a great 4 years and have one more games together than most Warren teams ever. I would like to know the total win and loss record for these boys over the past several years. If anybody would know please share because im curious to what it would be. GO Warriors, you can do it.

runhallerun · Post by **runhallerun** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:12 am

Diehard - I am not down on these kids at all - you have it all wrong.

As far as playing - I played 3 sports at Warren - earned 8 varsity letters. Left blood, sweat and tears on the hardwood, diamond and the turf. I follow Warren sports as an Alumni - and I pay my share of taxes in this district to support these schools - back off.