Chillicothe vs Marietta 2/21

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cat1606 wrote:my dad pointed you out hitch, finally a face to the name.


cat1606,

Hopefully the face did not scare you off. I have been accused and misidentified by many, but I am sure you have me pegged today. Glad you made it home safely last night.

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Out of Bounds wrote:
pinapplrdhwk wrote:If i'm not mistaken isn't the logan elm coach the same logan elm coach that turned down the job to come to coach chillicothe boys basketball, to stay at logan elm? If so it would be really bitter sweet to see chillicothe get the last laugh next friday


Why would it be the last laugh? Stiverson has done a nice job at LE and has had a nice run. He is one of the best young coaches around. To be honest, I would take him any day over Kellough. Kellough just has players right now and with the great players the Cavs have any coach would look good. That's a very pampas statement to make.


Sir i think your statement is a very pampas statement to make, and I'll tell you why. I don't know if you realize in the past just how much talent has been at chillicothe, and Hobbs or bates did nothing with it. First and foremost there has ALWAYS been talent at Chillicothe, it was just a matter of getting the right coach in there. I'll take Kellough any day because he reintroduced taking pride in a program, hustle on defense, discipline, and having a balanced attack. Just because chillicothe looks good now doesn't mean they always have played like this. If you need an example ask hitchbone or dshanton to borrow some of their tapes of humpty's sophomore year, when chillicothe struggled terribly at OUC, but then slowly but surely things started to come together.

So once again, like i said before it would be bitter sweet because kellough took a chance on chillicothe and is reeping the benefits.


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Pinapple,

Since you are young I will go easy on the coach thing. many decisions go through the mind of a man when he is about to change jobs. Chilly was in a mess when they were trying to hire Stiverson. He made a decision based on the facts at hand. For him it was a good decision. It looks like Chilly was successful on the rebound and Coach k has done a good job.

Chilly has always had talent we can agree. However year in and year out Chilly does not have players at the level of Humpty and your brother Chris.


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2old, I agree with your post! The coach @ LE has done a great job and has built a very good program as year in and year out they are a team you have to play well against to win. If a school system treats this coach well and he is happy "and" successful, why make what seems to be a lateral move?

I do believe Chillicothe has a great team this year and a great shot to make it to the Schott! But as much talent as Chillicothe may have in their halls year in and year out, this is a special team. I don't believe they ever had this type of talent and Coach Kellough will be judged by this year "and" with his teams of the future. I do think he has done a good job so far, I also think his cards have fallen into place with a special group of kids. We all know he is a "good" coach, but it seems to me, he now has the opportunity to take his reputation and the Chillicothe program to the next level in the future. Time will tell.


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Way to go Chillicothe. Now lets get ready for those Logan Elm Braves. :-D


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Having see a few of the eastern district's play and assuming the Cav's beat L.E the Cav's will be a huge favorite to go to the Schot they will totally outplay which ever team they play from Steubenville district.Good Luck and hopefully get to watch ya in Columbus. 8)


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ZvilleBlueDevil wrote:Having see a few of the eastern district's play and assuming the Cav's beat L.E the Cav's will be a huge favorite to go to the Schot they will totally outplay which ever team they play from Steubenville district.Good Luck and hopefully get to watch ya in Columbus. 8)


zbd,

Thanks for the "good luck".....This time of year, all of us can use some. With injuries, flu bugs, etc...you never know. I do agree that we would be favored in all these games...so we will have a big target on our back.

The kids got back to playing aggressive sound defense last night and it paid off.

Good luck to the Blue Devils as the move on. I know you can't look ahead (with Dublin Jerome in front of you), but the big one with Newark could be right around the corner. IMO if both advance Z-ville is headed to the Regionals and a potential game of the year could be awaiting.

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2old wrote:Pinapple,

Since you are young I will go easy on the coach thing. many decisions go through the mind of a man when he is about to change jobs. Chilly was in a mess when they were trying to hire Stiverson. He made a decision based on the facts at hand. For him it was a good decision. It looks like Chilly was successful on the rebound and Coach k has done a good job.

Chilly has always had talent we can agree. However year in and year out Chilly does not have players at the level of Humpty and your brother Chris.


2old,

I willl agree with you on the talent thing in most years, but we have had teams that finish 500 that had overall more talent then this squd.

The Cavs could not lose with Stiverson or Kellough as the program hit rock bottom. The question is what do we look like over the next few years. Next year will be a very good year because of valuable experience the younger kids have gotten and two kids named Knights and Dawes. I will say this, our leadership next year will be even better because both players have been in this system for 3 years. Hump was the only one that had been through Kellough system as a freshman. Dawes and Knights become periennal whipping boys, but have turned into outstanding young men. If both totally focused on b-ball they would be even better, but they both have sports that they are excellent at (hence Mr. Givens).

I do beleive Stiverson has probably asked himself the question, what would he have done with the talent this team has, but I am sure he has not lost one moment of sleep or missed a meal. LE is a very good program and will compete for District Titles year end and year out. My expectation is that Chilly under Coach K. or any other coach can and will compete for District Championships each year. If they are not, trust me, I will be back at the school board meetings.

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Hitch, I don't mean this in a disrespectful way, but if Stiverson comes to Chillicothe instead of Kellough, I don't believe (Stiverson) ends up with this talented group. This year's Chillicothe team would have a few less talented faces. But would'ves and could'ves are in the past and Chillicothe has the ball rolling. Out of Curiosity, what year did Chillicothe have more talent than this group? (in your educated and respected opinion)


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that had to be one of the longest drives home ever..


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bronc21 wrote:that had to be one of the longest drives home ever..


bronc21,

I still feel like I am driving on ST. RT 32. Slow motion baby!!!

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we had to pull off twice because of the ice on the wipers... didnt think i'd ever get home.....this old man cant take those kinda drives anymore. took 4 hrs vacation time this morning to recoup. looking forward to next weeks bout. i feel the 2 best teams in the district will be facing each other


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tropicalbreeze wrote:Hitch, I don't mean this in a disrespectful way, but if Stiverson comes to Chillicothe instead of Kellough, I don't believe (Stiverson) ends up with this talented group. This year's Chillicothe team would have a few less talented faces. But would'ves and could'ves are in the past and Chillicothe has the ball rolling. Out of Curiosity, what year did Chillicothe have more talent than this group? (in your educated and respected opinion)


tbreeze, Thanks for the educated and respected opinion comment. I feel the same about you.

First, Stiverson would have had this talented group. I will tell you why. 1) Humpty is a Chillicothe Cavalier and never would have played at Zane Trace if a) We did not have levy issues and b) We did not have a screwed up basketball system among other things. 2) I am assuming you also mean Chambers. He would be here, because of extenuating circumstances that I believe would have lead him here anyways. I don't want to get into that on here, because it is opens up a can of worms. 3) Coach K. ran off the bad apples and Stiverson would have done the same (both discipline coaches 4) The balance of the kids are from the program.

Only difference may have been the style of play. It took Coach K. about 1 1/2 years to let these kids get out and play. For good reasons, but there style is not a half court, 1 shot per minute thing. I beleive Baker may have fit better in Stiverson system and may have got more minutes, but that would be the only change.

As for your next question about a more talented group. I would have to dig deep to fairly answer the question and also I am a bit biased. Most know I was and am a Cavalier at heart. However, the first team that comes to mind is one that has relation on this years squad. The 1986-87 squad (thing year is correct) had the following and even more. Steve Bayless (D1 signee at Bradley) and CHS Hall of Famer, Lee Edwards (top 5 all time quickest guards in Ross County history - Muges Bogue type, Craig Hitchens (Father of Anthony), who obviously has given Hump the genes. Played College ball in Cleveland, but under a better coach, would have played at a higher level. I also believe they had Casey Schmidtt (who may have transferred later), but played at the University of Arizona (if not mistaken). This team was also very deep. Result barely over 500 club.

Teams of the late 1970's - Totally different style and more defensive focused, but the 1977, 1979,80-81 teams were very very good. the 80-81 team goes down as the best (record wise) of all time with 22 consecutive wins. The 80-81 team was deeper and I believe as talented as this team. Backcourts similiar (no Humpty), but we were 4 guards deep. Frontcourt advantage to the Cavs simply because of all-Ohio Garin Veris and his double double career avg. He would physcially be to strong for this squad. At the power forward, we had a rotation of 4 guys including Dwayne Smith who was very comparable to Chambers (as a young junior).

Teams of the mid 70's - Mark Bayless and all the great talent around him, would defensively and offensively compete with any team. Mark was Big School Player of the Year (AAA) and started as a frosh for the Ohio State University.

The difference in the Cavs teams of the 70's would be one Tom Cuppett. After Coach Cuppett left, the program was not the same. Players changed, but last names have not. The Ryan Browns and Ron Rittengers of the area were dominant players and had excellent teammates, but the coaching did not mold and shape them into teams that won on and annual basis. With the exception of a few years of Joe B. Stewart, the Cavs struggled for 20 plus years.

Sorry for the length of the post...

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bronc21 wrote:we had to pull off twice because of the ice on the wipers... didnt think i'd ever get home.....this old man cant take those kinda drives anymore. took 4 hrs vacation time this morning to recoup. looking forward to next weeks bout. i feel the 2 best teams in the district will be facing each other


I showed have pulled off, but I may have just called it a night and slept in the van. Instead of taking vacation time, I shoveled the driveway for 45 minutes to calm these old nerves. The traction control is out on my supposedly relatively new van.

I agree, after seeing the scores tonight, I believe the best two teams will have a show down next Friday. I wish we were playing tomorrow instead of waiting a week.

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Hitch you hit the nail on the head.

The question at chillicothe has never been of talent, it has always been discipline and could they get a coach that isn't afraid to yell at the "star" player. A group that i personally would have LOVED to see Kellough coach would have been Clint Austin, Max Green, Marcus Washington, quenton upshaw, and little Givens. They would have been an awesome team to see if they were coached by Kellough.

Yes they weren't the most talented in the history of CHS, however at the beginning of their HS careers that group of kids had the most potential of any, and they never lived up to it. But the problem with that team was A.) that entire team loved to shoot the ball but played not a lick of defense B.) Had no heart and hustle in their system C.) Flat out had problems with taking criticism from the coaches D.) Half the team was in foul trouble in the first half because they were out of shape (this is coming from players that told me personally).

That team would have been during humpty's freshman year, and like little givens said in the paper in kellough's first year at CHS after they beat Grove City ("last year we would do nothing at practice, heck we would be eating in practice" , and yes little givens took some heat for that comment but it was true. You talk about a coach that came in and totally cleaned house. Kudos to Coach K


i'm sure there are many typos on here but i had to get this out of my head.


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^^^^^

pin,

Just to add to your post, that same team of kids (a year or so prior) had an undefeated Dublin Scioto on the ropes. We lost in 3 OT. My brother-in-law (whose son played for Dub Scioto) and others from Scioto stated that Chillicothe was by far the best talented team they saw that year. Yet, look at our records.

At the High School level, coaching makes a world of difference. Just look at the Greenfields and Wheelersburgs of the area.

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I might be confusing "better" team with more talent. I have seen many Chillicothe teams through the years (mostly from playing the other blue and white team) in the old COL. I would still defend the opinion that this team has more talented ball players than I've seen a Chillicothe team have, which includes the 70's teams. Yes, there has been some great players, but I'm not sure there have been as many on one team. Because of Hitchens and Chambers, I think people underestimate how good of ballplayers some of the "role" players are on this team. But this is a "team" with pretty good chemistry, and it's hard to imagine a .500 team in the past having as much talent. As I've said before, Coach K is a good coach, but I think we need to reserve the opinion of one of Chillicothe's best for a few more years.


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well the fact remains, for whatever reason, for years some of the best BB talent was playing at Poland park or triple crown or the city park, not for their school. I for one applaud Coach K for getting these kids involved again. Good Luck Cavs !


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tropicalbreeze wrote:I might be confusing "better" team with more talent. I have seen many Chillicothe teams through the years (mostly from playing the other blue and white team) in the old COL. I would still defend the opinion that this team has more talented ball players than I've seen a Chillicothe team have, which includes the 70's teams. Yes, there has been some great players, but I'm not sure there have been as many on one team. Because of Hitchens and Chambers, I think people underestimate how good of ballplayers some of the "role" players are on this team. But this is a "team" with pretty good chemistry, and it's hard to imagine a .500 team in the past having as much talent. As I've said before, Coach K is a good coach, but I think we need to reserve the opinion of one of Chillicothe's best for a few more years.


tbreeze,

I think we have similiar thoughts. However, the fundamental difference I believe is the pure depth of players. While this team probably has the best 1-2 punch and quite possible the best starting 5, other teams could go deeper at the 6-9 areas. Saying that this is a function of the feeder programs needing to get stronger and also the fact that there much fewer kids at the school. I graduated with around 360 kids. I am not sure what this class will graduate with, but there is a difference.

Over the next 5 years, this teams legacy will be defined and I believe the programs legacy as well. I to am not ready to annoint or not annoint. The only thing I am positive of is the administration over the years made some average at best choices for coaches in the program. It is tough to live up to the legend of Tom Cuppett or those prior but to average only 11 plus wins over a 20 plus year period is not good. Tom Cuppetts teams averaged right at 17 wins per year (against better league competition) as you would attest to.

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Hitch, I know what ya mean by more dept of players and smaller classes. My class @ ZHS was 375. We were talking about that @ today's game, that in the 60's, ZHS was graduating 460 kids, in comparison of today about 280 (We're guessing).


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