SVC v. SOC ?

[kram]

I have been doing some serious thinking about this. You know how college basketball has the ACC/Big Ten Challenge, SEC/Big 12 Showdown (I think) and all these matchups early in the season between these conferences. Would it be realistic to try and start an SVC/SOC Showdown? This would put the SVC schools up against the SOC II schools. I think it would be a great thing to do. Feedback?

[SOCFAN1430]

The girls used to do this. I also think you should at least include the SOC 1 champ from the previous year

[eagles73Taylor]

To do this you must plan on it at least 2 years in advance so all schools involved can open up their schedules for the early part of the season. You have 3 very large gyms in close proximity that are centrally located to every SVC/SOc school that could hold these games as well in Lucasville, Piketon and Waverly, or you could just set up a home/away system. There is the problem, trying to balance who is home and away being that someone is playing someone else different every year. I always thought play it on a neutral floor and split the gate between all schools evenly every year.

You have 8 SVC schools in Adena, Huntington, Paint Valley, Piketon, Southeastern, Unioto, Westfall and Zane Trace.
SOC II in basketball you have 8, Minford, Northwest, Oak Hill, Portsmouth West, South Webster, Valley, Waverly and Wheelersburg.

I dont see how you could invite the SOC I winner, but that is a minor detail.

I would love to see this happen, however like I said it wont come over night. I know Piketons schedule is set until 2014.

[SOCFAN1430]

To do this you must plan on it at least 2 years in advance so all schools involved can open up their schedules for the early part of the season. You have 3 very large gyms in close proximity that are centrally located to every SVC/SOc school that could hold these games as well in Lucasville, Piketon and Waverly, or you could just set up a home/away system. There is the problem, trying to balance who is home and away being that someone is playing someone else different every year. I always thought play it on a neutral floor and split the gate between all schools evenly every year.

You have 8 SVC schools in Adena, Huntington, Paint Valley, Piketon, Southeastern, Unioto, Westfall and Zane Trace.
SOC II in basketball you have 8, Minford, Northwest, Oak Hill, Portsmouth West, South Webster, Valley, Waverly and Wheelersburg.

I dont see how you could invite the SOC I winner, but that is a minor detail.

I would love to see this happen, however like I said it wont come over night. I know Piketons schedule is set until 2014.

I understand your break down of 8 teams each making it even, but the top tier of SOC 1 schools can compete with the top tier of SOC 2 and have often beat the middle to bottom tier of teams on a yearly basis. So bump the last place SOC 2 team and plug in the SOC 1 champ.

Aside from all that, you could rotate one conference being home and hosting the tournament at 1-2 sites. Exp: 1st year SOC 2 schools are home host the games at Valley and Waverly play 2 games Friday + Saturday at each site. Also your second school to cover the SVC's 2nd site would be Southeastern(a fairly central location), if they can host a D2 sectional I don't see this being a problem. Then the host conference each year splits the gate among all schools in that conference. Matchups determined of 1-8 finish of previous years conference standings and plug that SOC 1 champ in at the 8 spot for the SOC.

[Bandwagoner]

"I understand your break down of 8 teams each making it even, but the top tier of SOC 1 schools can compete with the top tier of SOC 2 and have often beat the middle to bottom tier of teams on a yearly basis. So bump the last place SOC 2 team and plug in the SOC 1 champ."

Im not sure if i agree with that, i think the top tier in the SOC II is a little bit to much to handle for the SOC I.

[SOCFAN1430]

"I understand your break down of 8 teams each making it even, but the top tier of SOC 1 schools can compete with the top tier of SOC 2 and have often beat the middle to bottom tier of teams on a yearly basis. So bump the last place SOC 2 team and plug in the SOC 1 champ."

Im not sure if i agree with that, i think the top tier in the SOC II is a little bit to much to handle for the SOC I.

On some occasions I would agree with that, but early in the year as these games would be played that makes a difference. Look at Valley @ Eastern, game 1 for both teams. The SOC 1 team in this situation would play the bottom barrel of the SVC in my scenario, it's not a SOC 1 vs SOC 2 matchup. I was just stating the case for the SOC 1 to be worthy of representing the SOC against the SVC.

[chef_piketon]

Have it the week between Christmas and New Years. 8 teams from SOC I and SVC. Play 4 games at The Oven at Piketon and 4 games at The Hawhee Palace at Waverly. Two nicest and biggest gyms and both are right in the middle of the 2 leagues with easy access and parking to handle it. Start it in 2014. Blind draw for the starting year games and start a rotation from there. Have the meeting to get it going week after season is over or at the District All Star game. Aren't schools going to 22 games next season or after? This would help schools fill in their schedules for the extra games. There it's all done.

[The Ghost of Swanker]

Have it the week between Christmas and New Years. 8 teams from SOC I and SVC. Play 4 games at The Oven at Piketon and 4 games at The Hawhee Palace at Waverly. Two nicest and biggest gyms and both are right in the middle of the 2 leagues with easy access and parking to handle it. Start it in 2014. Blind draw for the starting year games and start a rotation from there. Have the meeting to get it going week after season is over or at the District All Star game. Aren't schools going to 22 games next season or after? This would help schools fill in their schedules for the extra games. There it's all done.

Nobody would come to watch the SOC1 get beat down 8-0

[Jesco White]

"I understand your break down of 8 teams each making it even, but the top tier of SOC 1 schools can compete with the top tier of SOC 2 and have often beat the middle to bottom tier of teams on a yearly basis. So bump the last place SOC 2 team and plug in the SOC 1 champ."

Im not sure if i agree with that, i think the top tier in the SOC II is a little bit to much to handle for the SOC I.

On some occasions I would agree with that, but early in the year as these games would be played that makes a difference. Look at Valley @ Eastern, game 1 for both teams. The SOC 1 team in this situation would play the bottom barrel of the SVC in my scenario, it's not a SOC 1 vs SOC 2 matchup. I was just stating the case for the SOC 1 to be worthy of representing the SOC against the SVC.

I'm sorry, but I just can't see this format. What happens when a school like Green or East wins the SOC with 6 seniors who all start or play major minutes on an 8-deep roster, with nothing to write-home about coming up behind them? Does the group that follows them deserve to bump an SOC 2 school from the line-up just because? The reality is, the SOC is two totally different conferences within one. And, as a result, the SOC 2 and the SVC are very comparable enrollment-wise and athletically. It also turns out that they have the EXACT same number of league teams, making the match-ups much easier to come by!

Now, since I'm a die-hard SOC fan, both divisions, I'm all for forming a challenge involving the SOC 1 schools too. How about the smaller division of the
SHL? It would have some solid match-ups if the pairings were done right and could be a great experience for all involved.

[TribeManiac10]

"I understand your break down of 8 teams each making it even, but the top tier of SOC 1 schools can compete with the top tier of SOC 2 and have often beat the middle to bottom tier of teams on a yearly basis. So bump the last place SOC 2 team and plug in the SOC 1 champ."

Im not sure if i agree with that, i think the top tier in the SOC II is a little bit to much to handle for the SOC I.

On some occasions I would agree with that, but early in the year as these games would be played that makes a difference. Look at Valley @ Eastern, game 1 for both teams. The SOC 1 team in this situation would play the bottom barrel of the SVC in my scenario, it's not a SOC 1 vs SOC 2 matchup. I was just stating the case for the SOC 1 to be worthy of representing the SOC against the SVC.

I'm sorry, but I just can't see this format. What happens when a school like Green or East wins the SOC with 6 seniors who all start or play major minutes on an 8-deep roster, with nothing to write-home about coming up behind them? Does the group that follows them deserve to bump an SOC 2 school from the line-up just because? The reality is, the SOC is two totally different conferences within one. And, as a result, the SOC 2 and the SVC are very comparable enrollment-wise and athletically. It also turns out that they have the EXACT same number of league teams, making the match-ups much easier to come by!

Now, since I'm a die-hard SOC fan, both divisions, I'm all for forming a challenge involving the SOC 1 schools too. How about the smaller division of the
SHL? It would have some solid match-ups if the pairings were done right and could be a great experience for all involved.

The only problem would be the number of teams. There are only 5 teams in the SHL D2 compared to 8 in the SOC I.

Some possible matchups based on current standings in their respective conferences.

Ripley vs Notre Dame
Fairfield vs Eastern Pike
Manchester vs. Symmes Valley
Whiteoak vs. New Boston
Fayetteville vs. Green

[Jesco White]

TribeManiac,

I like those match-ups overall, with a couple of looking like very solid games. I agree with the problem regarding the number of teams. It would have to be done via some form of rotation with the SOC 1 schools. Overall, I'd love to see some of these conferences do some things like this. It could make for some nice intra-conference "rivalries" in terms of conference bragging rights. I think it would be pretty neat to see.

[SOCFAN1430]

"I understand your break down of 8 teams each making it even, but the top tier of SOC 1 schools can compete with the top tier of SOC 2 and have often beat the middle to bottom tier of teams on a yearly basis. So bump the last place SOC 2 team and plug in the SOC 1 champ."

Im not sure if i agree with that, i think the top tier in the SOC II is a little bit to much to handle for the SOC I.

On some occasions I would agree with that, but early in the year as these games would be played that makes a difference. Look at Valley @ Eastern, game 1 for both teams. The SOC 1 team in this situation would play the bottom barrel of the SVC in my scenario, it's not a SOC 1 vs SOC 2 matchup. I was just stating the case for the SOC 1 to be worthy of representing the SOC against the SVC.

I'm sorry, but I just can't see this format. What happens when a school like Green or East wins the SOC with 6 seniors who all start or play major minutes on an 8-deep roster, with nothing to write-home about coming up behind them? Does the group that follows them deserve to bump an SOC 2 school from the line-up just because? The reality is, the SOC is two totally different conferences within one. And, as a result, the SOC 2 and the SVC are very comparable enrollment-wise and athletically. It also turns out that they have the EXACT same number of league teams, making the match-ups much easier to come by!

Now, since I'm a die-hard SOC fan, both divisions, I'm all for forming a challenge involving the SOC 1 schools too. How about the smaller division of the
SHL? It would have some solid match-ups if the pairings were done right and could be a great experience for all involved.

How does the song go, they killed the little man. I see nothing wrong with the SOC 2 vs SVC and it makes good sense, I just like throwing in the underdog. What happens though if you get a great group of juniors that sneak out a league championship then come back as seniors primed and ready to win. What if they would drill that 8th place SVC team? Who knows, my guess would be neither of our assumptions would be the norm if this was the format. They would most likely be competitve games and the real story would be SOC2 vs SVC with a chance for the little guy to get his shot

[The Ghost of Swanker]

SOC1 vs SEOAL

[TribeManiac10]

SOC1 vs SEOAL

Some highly competitive contests there.

[The Ghost of Swanker]

Those guys from ND would mop up the floor with Chilly

[Eaglesnest]

Those guys from ND would mop up the floor with Chilly

Just think what Chillicothe would do to S.Webster then...didn't Notre Dame beat them

[The Ghost of Swanker]

I bet Webster would beat ND by 20 now

[Bo_Diaz]

Kram
I really like this idea. I wish it would gain some traction. I know that Valley plays quite a few SVC teams.

I bet Webster would beat ND by 20 now

Webster had been practicing basketball for months before their ND game... Most of the ND kids played football. What was Webster's excuse for not being ready?

Webster may beat ND if they played today, but I don't know if 20 is an accurate number.

[Eaglesnest]

I bet Webster would beat ND by 20 now

I am not so sure. Webster is not near the same caliber of team that they had last year

[The Ghost of Swanker]

maybe closer to 30