claypantherfan wrote:does shanks have any schools looking at him?
im not sure. if not, his family needs to talk to some scouts, see about coming and watchin a few of his games, cuz his coach sure aint gonna! thats obvious from how he played him last year. i think Coach is just in it for the check, if you know what i mean... but shanks himself is going to have to dominate this year and get some good press, even in the scioto county papers!! haha!! seriously though, he needs to make sure his name is out there, catching the the colleges eyes.
I normally dont reply on Western topics, but this one I can not. Are you serious? Posting stuff like this is insane especially whenever you have no idea.
I wouldn't say Phil is a friend of mine - in fact, I haven't talked to him since he left. You are the one who hinted that the former coach sabotaged the program by purposely not developing the younger talent. I just asked who those kids are. I would say that you didn't answer the question about what guards he did not let play to prepare them for the future but I guess you did answer the question - it has to do with your son's playing time or how he was used. I just hate to see people come on here and beat up on coaches ( especially when they are not even in the picture anymore!) As far as his "burnt bridges", I''d say that every coach and especially administrator has people that they have made mad assuming they went to work. You can find people who dislike coaches, principals, or teachers at every school, just like you will find people who love them - depends on who you talk to! I'm not soliciting sympathy for Phil, from what I hear he is doing okay.
By the way, to those suggesting that Coach Harrop can't or won't help his players get looked at by colleges - that is simply not true. No one does or will work harder than him. Plus I am sure his dad still has some connections with college coaches.
oh but CoachClaytor i do have an idea. i went to several games last year and did i see shanks playin in a big man's spot? nope. sure didnt. that right there tells me hes gonna have to do something major THIS year so that MAYBE he can get some schools to look at him. ill agree that i was a little harsh on Coach, but still, if every game you came to, you saw a 6'5" kid playing in a 5'10" kid's spot on the court, youd get a little frustrated too.
Mostly I was referring to the two statements that A. Coach would not try to get hime looked at by colleges, and B. that Coach is only in it for the pay check. Those were the two things that sent me over the top.
As far as you commenting about where coach is playing certain kids, as in Shanks. That is your opinion and you have the right to express that. I may not totally agree but it is your opinion and you have made it known.
But saying a coach is in it for the paycheck? You have to be kidding me. No high school coach, especially in this area, gets paid enough to be in it for the check. If that was the case, why would anyone put in the extra time other than just the couple hours and practice and time at the games?
And Pavillion nailed it on the head with his statement about getting kids into college. So if you wish, go ahead and continue on the discussion as you wish. Coach is doing what needs to be done to further the program and the players in the program. And a quick question for you, as Dante Jackson and Cam Thoroughman come to mind, they were in the 6'5", 6'6" range and they played as combo guards and it seems like they got where they needed to be.
pavilion, my children are in jr high they have nevar played for phill they play for a guy by the name of coach claytor and im very pleased with there playing time but i can see your point on beating a dead horse so ill move on
ignert1 wrote:There are a lot of 6-6 to 6- 10 kids playing HS ball. College Coaches love to see a big kid who can handle the ball out front. Cam Thouroghman was played out front, in my opinion, to show W Va that he could replace Pigsnaughle (sp?). I think Clay could have won more games with him playing underneath, but the coach was trying to showcase his ball handling skills and it got him a D1 scholarship. So, IMO, don't cut a coach playing a big man out front, he just might be doing him a favor.
Yes, but should he at the expense of the team???? I thought b-ball was a team sport.
Don't get me wrong, I can see mixing it up and putting big guys in different spots on the floor to showcase their talent. But, not playing them out of position the entire time at the overall expense of the team.
Eaglesnest, i couldnt have said it better myself... its perfectly ok to play a big man outta position, BUT it has to be against a team you know without a doubt that you are gonna beat, AND it should only be done when a college scout is contacted and at that game. otherwise its just stupid to risk a loss by playing guys out of position. it hurts the team mainly, AND it makes you look like you dont know how to coach.
i would agree with cinderelapick if the young men in question even made an attempt to play in the post even at open gyms the boys want to play 20 feet away from the rim when they are by far the the biggest and most tallented kids in the gym i hope that we as parents can support the coach and team all season and hold our tonges im as bad as the next parent at being critical of the coaches and the style of play they choose for the team but the bottom line is i,me,we are not the coach and when it comes to our children we think we always know whats best even when the coach is the paid pro.if our parents can bite there toungs and let the coaches coach and players just play maybe theres another big tournament run in it for the school
lightle04 wrote:i would agree with cinderelapick if the young men in question even made an attempt to play in the post even at open gyms the boys want to play 20 feet away from the rim when they are by far the the biggest and most tallented kids in the gym i hope that we as parents can support the coach and team all season and hold our tonges im as bad as the next parent at being critical of the coaches and the style of play they choose for the team but the bottom line is i,me,we are not the coach and when it comes to our children we think we always know whats best even when the coach is the paid pro.if our parents can bite there toungs and let the coaches coach and players just play maybe theres another big tournament run in it for the school
I am biased of course-but I hope the coach lets Shanks play outside all he wants!
lightle04 wrote:know matter where he plays this year he is agood player athreat know matter what but more importantly hes a great kid a testament to good parenting
I agree. He conducts himself well on and off the court from what I hear.
lightle04 wrote:i would agree with cinderelapick if the young men in question even made an attempt to play in the post even at open gyms the boys want to play 20 feet away from the rim when they are by far the the biggest and most tallented kids in the gym i hope that we as parents can support the coach and team all season and hold our tonges im as bad as the next parent at being critical of the coaches and the style of play they choose for the team but the bottom line is i,me,we are not the coach and when it comes to our children we think we always know whats best even when the coach is the paid pro.if our parents can bite there toungs and let the coaches coach and players just play maybe theres another big tournament run in it for the school
I am biased of course-but I hope the coach lets Shanks play outside all he wants!
im sure you do Eaglesnest that way when it comes time for the ol' cross- county match- ups your boys wont have to work as hard!! lol!! am i right???
I agree that Vinnie is a great kid. Comes from a solid family. Know both of the parents well. Couldn't come from better stock. But in order for this team to succeed, his best spot is on the block. NO ONE can stop him in close. If Western is gong to be successful this season as a team then Shanks will be posted low, dominating the paint.
One other thing to consider, I have heard what Phil has told others about Shanks, (I've talked to other coaches), But Phil was, at one time, married into this family. Animosity toward this kid by way of family connections concerning Shanks is irrelevant to me. Could have been sour grapes on his part. Just something to chew on.
Chew on this. You have no idea of my relationship with that family. There is NO animosity there from either side. If it is any business of yours, I just talked to my ex-mother-in-law less than 2 weeks ago, and Vince's mom and dad sent me a card congratulating me on my new job less than 2 months ago. Those people are still family to me. They were some of my biggest supporters during my tenure out there. I don't know who you "talked to" or what you have "heard". Certainly coaches talk about the strengths and weaknesses of players - that is what we do is evaluate players. First of all, I have only seen Vince play once since I left out there. He started for me as a Freshman and we won 38 games over the 2 years I coached him. He was very good then as a freshman and sophomore, and I can only imagine how much better he has gotten over the last year and a half, and even yet, how much better he will be by the end of his senior season. I have never said anything to intentionally hurt this kid and for you to suggest so is utterly ridiculous! In fact, if he wants to play at the next level and if I am able to help him in any way with any contacts I have made over my 16 or 17 years as a head coach I would certainly do so. If you want to take a shot at me on here - have at it, I've dealt with worse idiots than you. This is a forum and I have never felt the need to come on here and defend myself because I truly believe that people are entitled to their opinion, and I admit that over the years of reading this and jjhuddle, I was certainly entertained at reading about myself and my friends that are / were coaching. We know people are going to bash us - that is just part of coaching, but you crossed the line when you played the family card - particularly since you don't know what you are talking about in terms of my relationship with them. You were probably using that same argument in reverse when I was starting Vince as a freshman ( he was only starting because I used to be in that family.) If you want to discuss anything about my family on here why don't you just contact me first, that way you can get it straight from the horse's mouth. Trust me, I'm not hard to find. I hate that I even lowered myself to come on here, and believe me, I didn't do it to prove anything to the Shanks family, because they know what I have said here is true. Unfortunately, there may be someone out there who would have read what you wrote and believed it, so I felt it necessary to respond. If you would like to continue this discussion in private or in a one on one setting I would welcome the opportunity.
Only because I have a life and don't look at the computer every day. Thanks, Phil for clearing that up but I have no reason to believe that 2 coaches and an AD (who doesn't even play WHS )would tell me the SAME story, (and by the way, none of these men have any idea that I know Vinnie's family), would lie. If I hear it from one person, I tend to ignore it. If I hear the same story from the lips of a second coach, I get curious but when I hear the SAME excuse from a third person as to why you allegedly said you lost the coaching job I tend to believe what I am hearing. I then spoke with certain family members as to what was going on (I never mentioned what I was told by others) and they pleaded ignorance. Good enough. If you say there is no ill will then I will take you at your word. My question is, then, why are other coaches/AD's from 3 different school systems all telling the same story?
sawdust, before i say this, let me say that i aint a big P.H. lover or anything. hes just a man with some problems in the past from what ive heard around the campfire. but when you get on here and say that you believe what people OUTSIDE his family (exes or not) say about him, then i have to say your crazy.
that way when it comes time for the ol' cross- county match- ups your boys wont have to work as hard!! lol!! am i right???