Portsmouth 20 @ Jackson 21 Final

[2old]

02,

We have discussed the scheduling thing. I have no problem with one "gate game". I think Wellston should have that gate game with Oak Hill. A chance to build a real county rivalry. Wellston and jackson is NOT a rivalry if Wellston NEVER wins. So Wellston could finally beat Jackson by just dropping them. There are plenty of teams Jackson could schedule. Ross County teams have grown, nelsonville for that matter, Ham Twp. Heck many teams.

As far as VC they are an example of over scheduling. Kind of like when Logan was scheduling both Lancaster and Gahanna. 96 ease up. The Vikes are fine, but combined with Wellston the two teams are way too easy of opponents for Jackson.

[ocho stinko]

Scheduling is overated. Give me talent and good coaching anytime. Its not like we are producing college D-1 stars and losing. I don't see how playing a tougher team in week 2 is going to take you to the state championship. I would love to see the people complaining about the scheduling coach a high school team. Better yet I would like to see the people complaining about the schedule coach a team with the ULTIMATE schedule they put together as head coach. I believe the league is tough enough to get them ready for the playoffs. WE need to worry about Portsmouth they seem to have our number.

[2old]

Well i hate to bring it up, but i will. Logan has improved scheduling and has won 4 straight league titles. Jackson continues to schedule weaker teams and have certainly not won the league. Jackson had scheduling on their side. They have not played Logan the last two years.

[ironman02]

ocho,

I'm not complaining about scheduling. I'm just saying that it might be a good idea to schedule someone other than Wellston and Vinton County. Judging from comments made by many of their fans, those two schools don't even want to play Jackson. They're just doing it for the money and because it makes sense geographically. Jackson is 67-26-6 all-time against Wellston and 14-2 all-time against Vinton County. Most of the time, those two games are not competitive.

I realize that the league schedule is tough and it does no good to overschedule and lose games. That's why it's hard for Jackson to turn down the money and usually a couple wins against Wellston and Vinton County. In the future, though, it might be a good idea to look at some other options.

I completely agree with you about Portsmouth. They have had our number since returning to the SEOAL and the Ironmen need to put an end to that on Friday night.

[ocho stinko]

I guess the run on talent you have had lately has nothing to do with winng four titles! I guess that your the biggest school in the league has nothing to do with it either! The scheduling may have helped, but I am going to guess that you would not have won the league the last four years if your team wasn't so talented. Which your team is probably still the most talented this year.

[ocho stinko]

02,
I would not mind to drop Wellston, and add a tough team in place of Zanesville if that ends up being an open date. My point is that scheduling is somewhat overated. Our league is tough why my make the nonleague that much tougher. A down year or two and your whole program could be destroyed for a long time. I am a firm believer in talent and coaching.

[ironman02]

ocho,

I know exactly what you mean. Scheduling is an art...gotta be tough enough, but not too tough. Dropping Wellston and leaving Waverly and VC would probably be fine, especially if Jackson is able to add a good opponent when Zanesville leaves. The thing about that is that Jackson is going to have to fill Week 10 when ZVille leaves, at least according to the OHSAA's Open Dates. It's gonna be extremely tough to find a Week 10 opponent because most schools have league games locked in to the ladder part of the season. It also might force Jackson to go hunting for some type of Independent or school who plays in a small, loosely affiliated league.




Anyway, enough talk about scheduling. The 2008 schedule is all that matters right now and it has been set. I've been reading that Portsmouth is having trouble in the trenches. I didn't expect this at all, considering they have Prior who has committed to Florida State and Cadogen who will be playing at Penn State. Can anyone shed some light on what's going on up front for the Trojans?

[Poo Bear]

If Jackson was to drop 1 of the 2 local teams then Id say drop Wellston and try to get Nelsonville York,Minford, or Wheelersburg...Wellston should pick up Oak Hill as there in county rivalry...Also I would like to see VC pick up Oak Hill and Piketon...with gas prices local teams should try to play when the can...would Jackson feel better if they dropped Wellston and VC, beefed up their schedule and fought hard for a 6-4, 5-5 record each year...im not sure on that one...the reason I Jackson should drop Wellston first isnt really the level of competition because the both have their up and down years...its because VC is a bigger school and Jackson can justify a VC beatdown more because of that...(2old) im not upset its just when you say "VC and Wellston dont prepare you for nothing"...hey man I got to defend my schools.

[biggdowgg]

Prior, and Cadogan, is getting all the blame..:and thats expected" when they hace committed to D1 school already, but it doesnt all lie on them, like said above, teams are loading the box and rushing everyy down, they can only do so much..myself, I think we are getting beat on the corners more then anything,,Ive said it before, Josh Myers, Malik White,And even ,Forrest Johnson are going to have to play on Defense for us to win.

I watched the JV team play Burg Yesterday, and the kid that came from West, "Josh Meade" was laying some big time hits out down there..

[Pol pot]

Concerning Logan's schedule, let's keep in prespective that Logan is also the largest school by a long shot in the Region! Nobody's saying anything positive about the schedule when Wellston was winning 7 or 8, and Waverly is 10-0.

[biggdowgg]

Portsmouth / Jackson, games are always a battle.

always a fun game to watch.

[Trojan_FB_Alum]

[quote="biggdowgg"]Prior, and Cadogan, is getting all the blame..:and thats expected" when they hace committed to D1 school already, but it doesnt all lie on them, like said above, teams are loading the box and rushing everyy down, they can only do so much..myself, I think we are getting beat on the corners more then anything,,Ive said it before, Josh Myers, Malik White,And even ,Forrest Johnson are going to have to play on Defense for us to win.

This isn't the first time a Trojan line has had to block 8 or 9 in the box every play, but this is the first time we have done it with 2 d1 guys on our line. I know the middle of our line is young, and I can understand getting beat by a guy who is better then you. (Codogan and Prior should yet to have found someone better then they are) What I don't get is poping straight up every play, if they get out of their stance at all. None of these guys fire out fast and hard.

[Ptown Playmaker]

Watch the film....it doesn't lie.......yes, the junior center and two soph guards have struggled somewhat with picking up some of the blitz schemes. There are as many blitzes coming from the outside edge not being picked up also.....backs are NOT blocking , laying the wood to blitzing defenses either to protect the quarterback.........Overall though, I believe the interior has played overall better than the tackles....plus they are giving a 100%.....I'm not sure that's the case with the other two........the two soph's are also playing defense more than any other on the d-line.

[Trojan_FB_Alum]

I agree that the 2 tackles are not our only problem. Although they should be dominate and they are far from it. The center and guards have played better then the tackles and the backs need to help out too but, you fail to realize that plays that have been our bread and butter such as traps and counter trey are now useless because they get blown up before our lead blocker has a chance to get out in front. Also we can't change the snap count without jumping offside. Some of this may be growing pains but some of it is inexcusable.

[know your role]

Too Old,
What about when Jackson had a team lead by the Humphries (sorry if misspelled) that went and beat the #1 team in their region at their place? They had the same three non-league games then? So as the Rock says, Know Your Role and shut your mouth.

Ocho is right, I will take talent and good coaching anytime over a schedule.

Good luck to both teams.

[biggdowgg]

lets hope we can get it together and pick up another win friday night, this team is loaded with Talent, and is a lot better then they played the last two weeks

[loyaldevilfan]

Too Old,
What about when Jackson had a team lead by the Humphries (sorry if misspelled) that went and beat the #1 team in their region at their place? They had the same three non-league games then? So as the Rock says, Know Your Role and shut your mouth.

Ocho is right, I will take talent and good coaching anytime over a schedule.

Good luck to both teams.

2 old is on drugs....he just said in the Gallia Logan thread that Gallia is not a footbal program....read it for yourself..

[ironman02]

know your role,

I'll take talent and coaching any day as well. Having a good schedule is obviously just an added bonus.

2old just believes that the better the competition, the better your players will become. To compete with the competition, they have to step up their level of play, which makes them better on the whole in the end. I don't think he's trying to insult Jackson. He knows that the Ironmen have been able to compete very well over the years with Logan. Jackson is second, only to his Chiefs, when it comes to SEOAL championships. He's just saying that using his philosophy, Jackson could be even better than they are. I agree with him to a point, but I also don't think it would do Jackson any good to go out and schedule games that they can't win on a consistent basis in the non-league.

[Do-Your-Job]

I'd rather have Jackson's schedule and be 3-0 then have Chillicothe's schedule and be 1-2, or 0-3. Jackson's schedule could be tougher, anytime they have a TVC team on the schedule that isn't Nelsonville-York, it could always be tougher. But I think too much is being made of this. If Chillicothe beats Jackson this year, I think it will be because they are better. Not because the Cavs lost to tough teams early on. Getting wins against anyone hleps build confidence. This debate is so old, just like 2old is. I remember people saying Logan would beat Jackson in 2004 because Logan had a tougher non-conference slate. Well, the Ironmen won that game.

[Keyser_sozeThrice]

And, four years ago at Logan when Jackson beat Logan at Bill Sauer Field (21-14 was the final I think) was the last time the Chieftains lost an SEOAL game.