Waverly vs Webster 1/10

[The Ghost of Swanker]

Thoughts on the first big showdown in the SOC2 this year?
Kretzer and Loop are frontrunners for SOC POY.

Edit : Elite 8 Waverly (7th)

[fan_of_swankerpine]

I'm thinking they might have to guard each other in this game just to see who can shut down the other. Both have a lot of size, strength, and speed. If they can both be stopped from doing too much damage on offense then I will take South Webster in an instant classic. I feel like they have a more complete team supporting their star than Waverly does. Not by much though.

[N B Heat]

Webster is in a must win situation 2 losses in the conference just aint gonna get it . And as far as POY it's all but over !

[fan_of_swankerpine]

Webster is in a must win situation 2 losses in the conference just aint gonna get it . And as far as POY it's all but over !

They only have 1 league loss. POY has traditionally gone to the best player on the team that wins league. Short of halfway through the season it's still a toss-up.

[bluedude62]

I think you would need to put Yates in the POY run. He hasn't had a breakout game this year but they are winning. I haven't seen Loop play this year, other than the previews , but I know he is a team leader.
I've seen Kretzer play and he can take over at anytime. POY could go to any of the three (imo ) depending on who takes the SOC2.

[Jesco White]

Webster is in a must win situation 2 losses in the conference just aint gonna get it . And as far as POY it's all but over !

They only have 1 league loss. POY has traditionally gone to the best player on the team that wins league. Short of halfway through the season it's still a toss-up.

So, by your rationale, if Valley were to win the league, then Yates will have the inside track for POY. Also, I hardly consider this the first big test of the year in the SOC...considering Minford (who beat Webster) has alreaady played Webster, Waverly and Valley. I also think if you're gonna open up the POY debate, you'd better put Yates in the conversation. Personally, having seen all three of them play, there's no doubt in my mind that Kretzer is the top player in this league. That being said, I think Loop, Yates and McBee all have excellent skill sets and in a lot of years would all be good enough to win POY.

As for the game, I just don't see Webster shutting Kretzer down. I think they'd be better served to contain the rest of Waverly's team, and use some of that much needed speed and energy to outscore the Tigers.

[bryanc45]

After seeing the big waverly kid play us friday night. I have to give the W to waverly in a very close game. I would love to see this game it will be worth the admission I am sure.

[Bo_Diaz]

I wouldn't say Webster is in a must win situation but it would put them a full 2 games behind Valley and Waverly. Waverly has been playing very well and have the best scorer in the league. Kretzer can drop 35 at any given time. South Webster needs to find a way to create some turnovers in the full court because having watched both teams I don't like Webster's chances in the half court.

As for the POY debate... I think Yates is the best all around player in the league. He scores, rebounds, passes and has the ball in his hands 99% of the time and doesn't turn it over much. Kretzer is the best scorer and shooter, Loop has a very balanced game, and McBee makes Minford go. But honestly, there have been 4 conference games. We know who the better players are but I don't think there's a clear cut favorite with roughly a quarter of the conference games being played.

[The Ghost of Swanker]

Id put McBee over yates this season. We know he's a good player, but how much longer before the breakout game? Loop, Kretzer and McBee are having big games every game practically...

We can make this a Kretzer vs Loop thread but the supporting cast will determine the outcome of this one. The past 2 games for Webster has seen 4 players go into double figures (Loop, Swords, Goddard, Cook) against a Burg team that took Waverly down to the wire and an East team who left something to be desired. Theres some good ball being played on 140 right now.

If anyone has any pull in the WNXT stations, tell them to go to webster. SKanker Pineknot will be 236 miles away until Friday.

[Bo_Diaz]

What's a breakout game? He's gotta be averaging around 17/8/8... He scores when he has to but keeps everyone involved. From what I've seen he hasn't had to force as many shots and he makes his teammates better. I'd venture to say you haven't seen a game outside of Webster and I know box scores aren't on SEOPS. As a guy that's done some scouting and seen all of the guys mentioned, he does the most for his team in all areas of the game. I've also seen him drop 20+ a few different times... I guess he's been bottled up! Listen, all of these guys can play but there's more to life than 140. Let's see what happens after the first rotation through the conference. Good luck to your Jeeps on Tuesday, no doubt this is a big one for them.

[The Ghost of Swanker]

I'd venture to say you're wrong.

[crazymidgets]

Kretzer is the best player in the league, dont really think anyone can question that if you know basketball at all. That being said he was the best player in the league last yr as well but it almost always goes to the team who wins the league. But as far as most valuable to his team well he is probably scoring around 60% of his teams points averaging double figures in rebounds commands a double team or a minimum box and 1 if you dont want him to go off for 35 plus so if anyone has a kid on their team who is more valuable or as talented he needs to step up pretty quick or he is gonna walk away with this. There is a reason he has already signed d1.

[Jesco White]

There is a reason he has already signed d1.

I'm pretty certain that he hasn't signed anything yet. Isn't he a verbal commit to Akron at this point? Obviously, I believe the signing is just a formality, but I thought that the article I read on him said he had committed to Akron, not signed...yet.

As far as comparing where kids are going to college in order to make a point as to who will be POY in the league this year, I don't like the idea. I'll give you an example...Yates is receiving small to mid-major D-1 looks in football and basketball. Considering most kids in our area don't receive that opportunity in one sport, two sports is tremendous. However, you've already stated that anyone who knows basketball would know Kretzer is the most valuable player in this league. I'm confident that you see the point I'm trying to make.

[B-dawg79]

kretzer has already signed his letter of intent a couple months back at the downtown gym

[Jesco White]

Thanks for the correction, B-dawg79.

[frank-n-beans]

Kretzer is the better individual player. Loop has the better supporting cast. Should be a good game.

[The Ghost of Swanker]

If I'm not mistaken, Loop has been looked at by OU and Marietta.

[crazymidgets]

Nope you misread i said he is the best player in the league and the most valuable to his team Jesco not the most valuable player in the league. And again if they dont win the league it will probably go to a player on the winning team but it still wouldnt change the fact of who the best player in the league is. And I wasnt using the fact that he has already signed but it is a tell-tell sign, i based it on having seen all the players in the soc2 and he is the best basketball player in the league. Anything else....

[smurray]

Jesco,
Krezter was a force on the football field his Freshman and Sophomore years but chose not to play as a Junior and Senior to focus on basketball. He was getting looks on the gridiron as well and had he chosen that path would have excelled and most likely with his size and hands been playing at a D1 college.

I totally agree with crazymidgets, he is the best basketball player in the SOC. Will he be the Most Valuable player in the SOC? That depends on who wins the league.

[crazymidgets]

oh and No dont really understand what football has to do with anything on this topic if yates had signed a letter for basketball which he might cause he is really good would be relevant. And being looked at and getting signed is a whole world of difference.