Round 2 (11-0) Louisville vs. (11-0) Logan At ZANESVILLE

[Logangrad]

Louisville wins this one going away!They have marginally better players at skill positions,much better line on both sides of the ball,and most importantly are more tested on a weekly basis. Except for 2-3 weeks Logan as not been tested,played a weaker schedule, while their fans(at least on this site)walk around puffed up like a BIG FISH IN A SMALL POND.Louisville 42-14

Although I would give you that they have played a little better competition, I wont say they have been "more tested on a weekly basis." Louisville's opponents finished with a combined 59-41 record and Logan's were 53-47. Not much of a difference and Louisville did play a team that finished 0-10. Logan played 8 teams that finsihed .500 or better and Louisville played 9 teams that finished .500 or better. This game will be a great football game and it has all the intangibles that you could ask for leading up to kickoff. Two great teams, two great proud communities, two great traditions, alot of yacking from the fans, and I hope it turns out to be one for the ages. Logan has lost to the eventual state champion 2 times in 9 years in the playoffs, lets hope it doesnt happen a 3rd time.

[bluetraveler]

Logan Grad if you are going to compare recods,then you must also account for the level of competition that the opponents are playing.I work in the Akron/Cleveland area and live in SEO and while I have not seen Louisville personally this year(I have been to their playoff games in past years),I have watched many highlights each week.I have been to one Logan game this year(Logan/Chilli),I know the level of competitionn is vastly different.Logan is a great Seo school and I am impressed with some players,they are not a great OHIO Div II team.While I would not say Louisville is a great Ohio DII team they are a very good Ohio DII team.IMO if Logan wants to become a Good Ohio DII team then they MUST play Good Ohio DII and DI teams every week.This means possibily joining a columbus area conference.Travel from Logan to Columbus area schools is no different than to Portsmouth/Ironton/Gallia.While I understand tradition involved in SEOAL,it comes down to what do you want ,to remain a powerhouse in a smaller league or to become a team that can compete with anyone in Ohio?

[loganlocos]

Logan Grad if you are going to compare recods,then you must also account for the level of competition that the opponents are playing.I work in the Akron/Cleveland area and live in SEO and while I have not seen Louisville personally this year(I have been to their playoff games in past years),I have watched many highlights each week.I have been to one Logan game this year(Logan/Chilli),I know the level of competitionn is vastly different.Logan is a great Seo school and I am impressed with some players,they are not a great OHIO Div II team.While I would not say Louisville is a great Ohio DII team they are a very good Ohio DII team.IMO if Logan wants to become a Good Ohio DII team then they MUST play Good Ohio DII and DI teams every week.This means possibily joining a columbus area conference.Travel from Logan to Columbus area schools is no different than to Portsmouth/Ironton/Gallia.While I understand tradition involved in SEOAL,it comes down to what do you want ,to remain a powerhouse in a smaller league or to become a team that can compete with anyone in Ohio?

Travel isn't a problem for Logan. I think the administration at LHS would welcome and invitation from the OCC.

However, considering the league has NEVER invited Zanesville or Marion Harding (who have asked for membership), recently were relieved that Chillicothe left, and complain about travel to LANCASTER, I don't think an invite is coming Logan's way any time soon.

While I agree with most of your posts, the fact that you don't consider Louisville a GREAT team in DII makes me question your judgement. If Lousiville isn't THE BEST team in DII this year, they are MOST certainly a top 4 team along with DeSales and Anderson.

If playing larger schools is the issue, consider this:

Both teams were 10-0 and Logan finished with more level 1 points than the Leopards. That means that on average, they played larger schools week in and week out.

Does that matter? I don't think so.

In the end, the goal should be to play great PROGRAMS week in and week out, and forget the "size" of the schools.

[zbd]

Locos

I dont think it would be Logan people complaining about travel to Columbus as much as the Columbus schools would complain about going to Logan. They (OCC) dont want to leave 270 I am surpised they have not ran off LHS and NHS both since it seems every 2 years another new school opens on the 270 outer belt.

[Logangrad]

I work in the Akron/Cleveland area and live in SEO and while I have not seen Louisville personally this year(I have been to their playoff games in past years),I have watched many highlights each week.I have been to one Logan game this year(Logan/Chilli),I know the level of competitionn is vastly different.Logan is a great Seo school and I am impressed with some players,they are not a great OHIO Div II team.While I would not say Louisville is a great Ohio DII team they are a very good Ohio DII team.IMO if Logan wants to become a Good Ohio DII team then they MUST play Good Ohio DII and DI teams every week.This means possibily joining a columbus area conference

So you are basing your opinion on never seeing Louisville play THIS year and on a highlight reel? Its called a "highlight" reel for a reason; ITS ALL THEIR HIGHLIGHTS! So you dont know what their weaknesses are or really their style or if they mix it up or anything?? You just base everything on all the positive plays?
If Logan will be judged on whether or not they are a "good" DII team based on the games they play "IF" they joined the OCC, well this year Logan is 3-0 vs the OCC and two of those wins were against D1 schools. Over the last 3 years Logan is 5-3 vs. the OCC. If thats the measuring stick, I would say they measure up.
Over the last 3 years, 1 in D1 and 2 in D2; Logan is 28-4 and Louisville is 28-8, with several wins coming last year in the playoffs; all in D2. I would argue that Logan IS a solid D2 team with a rich history and Louisville would be lumped in there with the same opinion. But I havent seen Louisville play this year at all and I am only going on what I have on record and from reports. I wont wager a guess on whether or not they are good on anything other than the records for that reason. But I see the stats, i see what they did last year, who they had coming back and how they finished this year. Both teams are 11-0 for a reason. And imo, they are two very good D-2 teams based on what they did on the field this year and last and the year before and the year before. Again this game wil be a veyr fun game to watch and I wouldnt expect a blowout unless the wheels fall off with many mistakes.

[loganlocos]

Locos

I dont think it would be Logan people complaining about travel to Columbus as much as the Columbus schools would complain about going to Logan. They (OCC) dont want to leave 270 I am surpised they have not ran off LHS and NHS both since it seems every 2 years another new school opens on the 270 outer belt.

That's what I'm trying to say. We could beg for the next 20 years and the OCC isn't going to accept as a member. Simply put, it is NOT an option.

The only chance Logan has of getting into a league with larger schools is for continued growth at Canal Winchester and Teays Valley along with growth in Hamilton Township, etc. That COULD create an opportunity of SE-Central Ohio Conference of CW, HT, TV, Logan with a mix of Chillicothe, Bloom Carroll, Logan Elm, and Circleville.

[zbd]

Locos

That would be a nice league Zville is in the same boat. Maybe if LHS and NHS got booted from the OCC we could join together and form our league or join Canal W league. Heck Logan,LHS, NHS, Chilli, and us would be a nice league throw in Canal w and Ham T and that is a soild league but it still alot of travel for most schools.

[loganlocos]

Locos

That would be a nice league Zville is in the same boat. Maybe if LHS and NHS got booted from the OCC we could join together and form our league or join Canal W league. Heck Logan,LHS, NHS, Chilli, and us would be a nice league throw in Canal w and Ham T and that is a soild league but it still alot of travel for most schools.

I have said for years if (and I think WHEN) the OCC finally implodes under it's own weight, that Zville, Logan, Newark, and Lancaster along with perhaps Groveport would be a great start for a league. Through in a growing Canal and you have possibilities.

But that's a long way away. Right now, the SEOAL is still the best fit for Logan. Even after Zanesville leaves Marietta, Jackson, Logan, and Chillicothe are right around the same size with Warren pretty close.

People seem to think that Logan has always been the biggest school around, but if you go back and look at the history, since the OHSAA went to 5 divisions in 1986 (from Class A, AA, and AAA), Logan has bounced betwee D1 and D2 pretty frequently. In the early '90s were were D2 playing games against D1 Zanesville, Marietta, Chillicothe, and Athens. Jackson and Gallipolis were also division 2 and Warren bounced between 2 and 3.

As recently as the late '90s Athens, Marietta, Warren, and Jackson were all D2 along with Zanesville who was on our schedule.

Logan isn't growing, but were not shrinking like the rest of the schools in SE Ohio. We've gone from being in the middle of the pack to the largest school in the area over the last 15 years.

[bluetraveler]

No everything is not based on highlight reels of Louisville,I also work with people from several schools in the area who follow High school football as a religion,but as every fan as a bias toward one school or another,so "highlight reel" are the only visual guage I have of this team.That along with discussions with people from those schools is what I used to form this opinion,and it is only an opinion.In listing Louisville as a good Ohio DII team this was an assessment over last 8 years not a single season.In the area I work most consider East Cleveland Shaw to be a better team this year,but are not in the same region.

[zbd]

Locos

Could not have said it any better. Zville is not shrinking but will never be D1 in football again. I think when the numbers come out in the spring we may not be the biggest school in the county. TV may pass us up thats why I wish zville could get in the MVL but I dont see that happening anytime soon.

[Logangrad]

No everything is not based on highlight reels of Louisville,I also work with people from several schools in the area who follow High school football as a religion,but as every fan as a bias toward one school or another,so "highlight reel" are the only visual guage I have of this team.That along with discussions with people from those schools is what I used to form this opinion,and it is only an opinion.In listing Louisville as a good Ohio DII team this was an assessment over last 8 years not a single season.In the area I work most consider East Cleveland Shaw to be a better team this year,but are not in the same region.

Ok so over the last 8 years, Louisville is 70-16. So using your logic, you said Louisville wasnt a "great" team and that you look at the last 8 years. Well, imo thats a pretty darn good record and if they are playing teams with so much more talent than what Logan has been playing, I would say that would make them great. I know there are 50 teams in D2 that would kill to have that record and in NE Ohio, if you can come away with that stellar mark, that would make you great imo. With numerous playoff apperances and a state title game to boot.
Logan is 63-20 over that same time period, with many playoff appearances and 6 straight SEOAL titles, 5 outright. And if you throw in the 2000 season, you would find their record to be 75-21 with a 12-1 record in 2000 and a loss to UA in the Regional finals and With 7 of the last 9 years in D1. IMO, both of these programs are Great programs in D2 and in high school football period. Thats why this game will be even more special. The bottom line for me really, is throw all this junk out and lets tee it up Friday night.

[ZvilleBlueDevil]

Logan Grad


Tee it up and may the best team win PERFECT!!!!!!

[BuckeyeCAV]

Locos

I dont think it would be Logan people complaining about travel to Columbus as much as the Columbus schools would complain about going to Logan. They (OCC) dont want to leave 270 I am surpised they have not ran off LHS and NHS both since it seems every 2 years another new school opens on the 270 outer belt.

That's what I'm trying to say. We could beg for the next 20 years and the OCC isn't going to accept as a member. Simply put, it is NOT an option.

The only chance Logan has of getting into a league with larger schools is for continued growth at Canal Winchester and Teays Valley along with growth in Hamilton Township, etc. That COULD create an opportunity of SE-Central Ohio Conference of CW, HT, TV, Logan with a mix of Chillicothe, Bloom Carroll, Logan Elm, and Circleville.

Sorry Charlie,

Chillicothe isn't going anywhere. They are here to stay in the SEOAL. Don't see Jackson, Gallipolis, Portsmouth and even Ironton leaving if you leave. Don't see Warren going anywhere nor Marietta at the present either.

And, dream on about all those MSL-Buckeye Schools leaving their league to join Logan in a make-up league. Yeah right!

I think the OCC would love to have Logan in their Conference. We heard it's the other way around, down here! Logan hasn't asked or intends to ask.

Don't use the excuse about Newark or Lancaster off the 270 loop either. Forget about Mt. Vernon, Delaware, Pickerington Central, Pickerington North, New Albany, Marysville? How close would Logan be if they were in Lancaster's Division. Newark, Groveport, Westland, both Pickerington's schools...who else? Not far at all. Sounds like more of a cop out to us down here.

But good luck Logan in this weeks game with Louisville, we will be supporting you all from Chillicothe.

GO SEOAL

[grizzlynatural]

Army! We thought we lost ya!



I think you lost all little bit of credibility you had once you went and hid for over a week after the Logan loss.



23-13!!!!!!!!!!

[BuckeyeCAV]

Who is Army?

Good Luck Logan!

GO SEOAL!

[grizzlynatural]

He was this one guy who used to be on here and im assuming he has a new account by now but anyway he didnt know his right from his left and he made some very stupid posts. With your last post i got you mixed up with him

[logangirl]

Louisville may be really good, but I think what some people may not know is that this Logan team is different.....they have heart!!! And that is why they are going to win!!! GO LOGAN!!!

[qualified101]

He was this one guy who used to be on here and im assuming he has a new account by now but anyway he didnt know his right from his left and he made some very stupid posts. With your last post i got you mixed up with him

i couldnt have said it better myself grizzly.

[loganlocos]

http://www.jjhuddle.com/forums/showthre ... 03&page=18

Talk about Bulletin Board material! Check out the video in post #352 from this link.

Pretty much ZERO respect for Logan. These two sports writers think Logan MIGHT make Louisville play for a QUARTER.

Wow.

[chiefswrestler09]

I cant wait...finally get to go to another game ....so far im getting fired up and i dont even play cant imagine what its like for the players coming home reading the forums getting more fired up We Got This Chiefs .... Let's Play 4 Quarters Of Logan Chieftain Football! Get On Our Level! Refuse To Lose!