2009 Logan Chieftains

[grizzlynatural]

quote="dazed&confused"]Just read Craig Dunn's season ending Logan-by-the-numbers. I'd like to add one number. 0-apparently the number of OFFENSIVE linemen who contributed squat to the season. Thanks Craig![/quote]
Don't know why anyone wants to be an OFFENSIVE lineman. Seems they get little or no recognition for a lot of work.[/quote]


Its not new news. You have to be as dominant as Lancasters line before you get recognized. MAYBE If our guys benched 350 lbs and squatted 600...THEN they'd get some recognition [/quote]
Yeah, they did so good against Logan's line this year. 20-3 the last two years without good line play? C'mon![/quote]



How did they lose those games? It wasnt becuase our specialty players werent as good as the other teams, it was that our line is not up to par with the really good teams. Its the truth. Sure, our line is the past 2 years have been better than say.....Gallias, but thats not saying much for a program that wants to be at the top of their division.

[dazed&confused]

Just saying if you read the papers week in and out, you would swear the teams are playing 7 on 7. This year Logan's offense was prolific as a spread team and yet what do you read? The line is defficient. Care to run that offense without the line? Sometimes I think Logan fans only appreciate it when we line up and ram it down the other team's throat. There is a history of smash mouth here yet what were Logan's best teams recently? 2000, 2001, and 2008. What those teams had in common was the ability to air it out. I've read countless Logan fans run down Ironton for being behind the times yet here we are demeaning the line for not dominating the opposition. I wish our kids were all 6' 6" and 300 pounds and regularly going to D1 colleges. As the parent of a lineman, I can tell you they all put their best effort forward every game. Is it too much to ask that they are at least acknowledged when the team goes 11-1? They must have done something right.

[grizzlynatural]

I definatly agree that they should get recognition and they deserve it as well all that im saying is that they arent going to get that until they make it noticable. We dont remember the plays that went for 5 yards this season we remember the ones that went 10+. Like the 3rd and 84 at Jackson. Thats all that im getting at.

[dazed&confused]

I definatly agree that they should get recognition and they deserve it as well all that im saying is that they arent going to get that until they make it noticable. We dont remember the plays that went for 5 yards this season we remember the ones that went 10+. Like the 3rd and 84 at Jackson. Thats all that im getting at.

I'm not debating that point. Guess who made that play possible? Patrick had the time to find Clay on that play because our AGILE line pulled out and provided protection when the defense obviously had their ears pinned back. We don't make that play if Patrick is on his back or running for his life. We are a spread offense and will be next year because of the personnel we have. That includes a well deserved first team Div II quarterback working behind a talented line that knows their assignments and carries them out consistantly. and apparently, invisibly.

[grizzlynatural]

Well, answer me this.
Why did we not beat Louisville? Pat had zero time to throw against a D-line the same size as Logans line. Sure they are quick, agile, good looking etc. etc. but Louisvilles D line was just way better than our offensive line. Our O-line played a great game against Lancaster but part of that was due to Lancaster only bringing 4 people. They are stubborn. Lancaster Vs. Logan 04 the goal line stand. Lancaster trys ramming the ball up the middle 5 times and all 5 times unsucessful. If you whip out the film (which i have) you will see that if they'd sent the play off tackle they would have crab walked into the endzone. They are just stubborn. Next year you'll see Lancaster bringing all kinds of pressure due to the waxing we handed them this year. Our line can compete with the SEOAL, thats IT. Our line needs to improve.

[dazed&confused]

Well, answer me this.
Why did we not beat Louisville? Pat had zero time to throw against a D-line the same size as Logans line. Sure they are quick, agile, good looking etc. etc. but Louisvilles D line was just way better than our offensive line. Our O-line played a great game against Lancaster but part of that was due to Lancaster only bringing 4 people. They are stubborn. Lancaster Vs. Logan 04 the goal line stand. Lancaster trys ramming the ball up the middle 5 times and all 5 times unsucessful. If you whip out the film (which i have) you will see that if they'd sent the play off tackle they would have crab walked into the endzone. They are just stubborn. Next year you'll see Lancaster bringing all kinds of pressure due to the waxing we handed them this year. Our line can compete with the SEOAL, thats IT. Our line needs to improve.

So the O-line is the ONLY thing standing between us and a state championship? 32 teams started out in search of a championship in D2 and one will remain standing at the end. I really think it is a disservice to berate these kids. They sweated their guts out through two-a-days and all practices to hear this? I'm sure the coaches put the players on the field they think gives them the best chance to win. What do you want them to do? Get their linemen from St. Iggy? C'mon, throw 'em a bone now and then.

[grizzlynatural]

Jesus here you go your in denial. I dont know who your son is but hes not as good as Pat, Mason, Neff, or Clay. Those four, all better than any of the offensive lineman. I could go on, but i'll be nice and stop there because its truely an unfair evaluation becuase the only game i recall the offensive line really making a difference was the Lancaster game. Your son played great this year if he was a starter becuase he was on the best offense the school has ever seen. Congratulations to your son but he is not a good enough player to get us to a state championship whoever he is, Pat, Mason Neff and Clay are. Maybe your son would take this as encouragement and maybe hes a junior and he'll come back next year blowing poeple 10 15 yards down the field. THEN he'd get some recognition.


LANCASTERS line always gets all kinds of recognition. I wonder why that is

[outwide2008]

Yes Yes Yes I'm Finally on here.
THankZ Griz.
anyway.. Neffew J's a big loss, but i think pats moving to d.end next season, which will leave open the saftey spot. Pat wont be a force like neff, but will help take up for most of the loss.
And also Mase might move to outside backer...which is his natural position.. but he wants to stay at corner.
next years offense will be very fun to watch. Hate to say it, but Mcdaniel is going to make a bigger impact than morgan.
P will have an even better season. Mays will be a beast...
i think they will be regional champs next season... !!

[outwide2008]

Now with the spread i dont think our offensive line has to be the biggest most physical lancaster type of line, but i do think they need to very quick, and strong like grizzlys sayin.
Our offense is based on finess, so we dont need the lancaster line.

[homerbart]

I would like start of saying that this was Logan's year this year. They had everyone besides a line to make to the d2 finals. The 06 line would have been a better fit for this years team IMO. If logan keeps playing the type of talent they have been playing they will continue to dominate....Notice I didnt say team's..It's all about talent. Lancaster's talent was down ...same with North,Gallia,and even Jackson. Logan isnt getting the type of "In League' competition they should be getting. I think this year's team will be solid. They WILL win league, but that is almost getting boring now even though that is our No.1 goal as a progam.

[grizzlynatural]

I agree that getting league is getting boring but thats what happens when you win 9 in 11 years.

Time to move on to bigger and better things.

[loganlocos]

Logan wasn't the only team that struggled to block Louisville's defensive line, and I happen to think our offensive line did a great job adjusting in the second half.

The fact is, Logan hadn't seen a defensive line with the combination of speed/strength that Louisville brought to the table since 2006 (Hilliard Davidson). I think our kids made adjustments, and gave us an opportunity to win in the second half. It didn't happen.

But to BLAME the offensive line is just wrong. We had kids who were undersized (MacLaughlin) and kids who moved or gave up playing time (Shirey, King, Andy, Schneider) and did a heck of a job.

[outwide2008]

i would take last years line over the 06 line.
Weston Andy and Schneider didnt get to play as much as they should have due to illness and injury.
06 line could not pass block.... they wouldnt fit the spread style O

[dazed&confused]

Logan wasn't the only team that struggled to block Louisville's defensive line, and I happen to think our offensive line did a great job adjusting in the second half.

The fact is, Logan hadn't seen a defensive line with the combination of speed/strength that Louisville brought to the table since 2006 (Hilliard Davidson). I think our kids made adjustments, and gave us an opportunity to win in the second half. It didn't happen.

But to BLAME the offensive line is just wrong. We had kids who were undersized (MacLaughlin) and kids who moved or gave up playing time (Shirey, King, Andy, Schneider) and did a heck of a job.

Agreed. This is what I was trying to say. If I offended anybody I apologize. And I definitely was not intending to take away from what Patrick, Mason, Clay and the rest of the guys accomplished. It was a great season;I was just pointing out there contributions by many more players than were recognized at year's end. With that said, I withdraw from further comment on it. Here's to a great season in 2009 and lest anyone doubt it, I am on record as saying Logan will reload and win again.

[outwide2008]

Grizzly is not saying our lines not any good.
He just believes that if our line performed to the level of neff or pat or mase, then we would be on our way to state.

[loganlocos]

Grizzly is not saying our lines not any good.
He just believes that if our line performed to the level of neff or pat or mase, then we would be on our way to state.

But it's easier to have an INDIVIDUAL play well at QB, DE, or WR than find FIVE guys to play as a unit up front. I think there are a LOT of teams in Ohio who can say "if our line we as good as our skill players, we'd win state."

[outwide2008]

thats true, but thats what griz is tryin to say..
... they might not have done to well against l.ville, but i doubt anyone could block #53 all year.

[cheiffan]

Is there any freshman that could step up and maybe fill a position or get some playing time?

[qualified101]

if angle replaces neff at de, i dont think logan loses anything at that position. angle is just as quick and a better all around player. higher chance of getting injured but a team cant be scared of that. jmo.

[1987chieftains]

if angle replaces neff at de, i dont think logan loses anything at that position. angle is just as quick and a better all around player. higher chance of getting injured but a team cant be scared of that. jmo.

true 101. i not sure we have anyone that can step in that position and pressure a qb other then patrick. maybe mason, sigler or mcdaniel but, i think your going to give up alittle size and knowledge at that position.