Wheelersburg @ Valley Friday, Jan 23

[coop]

I told coop during the final minute that I bet Barrick felt like Apollo Creed's corner in Rocky 2 when they went out for the final round. They kept yelling at him to stay away from Rocky because he already had the fight won on points, but he wanted the knock-out. I'm sure coach Barrick wanted his kids to be much more patient and "stay away" from them down the stretch.

I think the biggest compliment to both teams is the way that both teams were able to battle playing each other's game. Burg dictated the overall tempo of the game, but Valley was also able to assert its style at different segments of the game...each time they did, the Burg kids responded. To me, that is the sign of two very solid basketball teams who are going to be a tough out for anybody in the tournament.

I was left feeling that if Barrick had ONE more timeout for that last stretch, they would have won the game. But he had used them all up getting the kids through to that final bit and had none left to break what turned out to be a 9-0 run to take the lead. It is hard to settle the young'ums down without stopping and talking to them.

But good luck to the Indians. As I said before: DON'T waste this!

Unfortunately, I don't see you beating Oak Hill at Oak Hill. The gym is smaller and you won't be able to run them as well as it sounded like you did at Valley. But I hope that you do.

Of course Minford at Minford won't be a cakewalk either...

Isnt every court the SAME size dimension wise? I think Valley will try to run up at Oak Hill, just as they did at home. Coach V is the type of guy that I can see emphasizing that the size of the gym has nothing to do with it, it's the insides of the OOB lines that are all the same.

[bleed_blue]

Burg only averages in the 40's and Stegman gets 20 per game, That is a one man show. He's your height, he's your top rebounder, he's your top scorer. Shut him down and make everybody else beat you, the other team will win most of the time.

I agree Andy is the go to guy on this team. Valley didn't shut him down he had 14 of his teams 43 points(about 33%). Thats about the percentage of burg's total points his been averaging all year.Thats alittle off his average points per game but valley only won 44-43 on a last second shot. The key for Valley was the defensive pressure they applyed to Wheelersburg's guards. They pushed them out of the scoring area making it harder to get the ball to Andy. Which thats what you have to do to beat Wheelersburg because there aren't to many teams that are going to stop Andy. Honestly Valley has better players than Wheelersburg. This gme showed the youth of Wheelersburg. They didn't handle the pressure very well and it showed with the 22 or 23 turnovers they had.

[drrabbit]

No, not all floors are the same size. Pay attention to the distance from the top of the key to center circle and from the edge of the floor to the corner of the three point line. There is a minimum size for a regulation floor but there is a variability after that.

Wheelersburg's old floor was regulation size but their new floor is larger. The trend has been to make the floors bigger.

Maybe it is an illusion and Oak Hill just 'feels' smaller--possibly because it is a smaller room with much closer walls on all sides and less space to the seats. My pictures have not been of the type to show dimensions of the gyms so I can't actually measure them from those. My general impression is that Valley is a little longer and maybe a touch wider than Oak Hill. No more than 2' and 5' on the dimensions but that can make a difference.

Ironton still has one of the longest floors in the area though it is about the same as Valley. New Boston is the probably the smallest left in use and probably is not true regulation.

BTW:
Wheelersburg had only 20 turnovers for the game and 7 in the fourth quarter. Valley had 18 for the game and 6 turnovers in the fourth quarter... Enough for a 1 point difference. But the actual scoring difference came at the free throw line where Wheelersburg was 3 of 5 and Valley was 8 of 14. Wheelersburg outscored Valley from the floor with more baskets made and a higher percentage shooting. Both teams shot 100% on free throws in the second half. Wheelersburg was 2/2 and Valley was 4/4 (all in the fourth quarter.) That is how close a game it truly was. In the end, I thought senior leadership was the difference as Cameron Arbaugh and Josh Winters came through for the Indians.

[crab_apple4]

Doc is exactly right... Some floors are bigger than others. That was always a big reason why we played so well at home against bigger teams like Burg. It was more condusive to our style of play, because it didn't seem like the 6'5" + players took up then entire floor like they did in Burg's old gym.

I'm also worried about the game at Oak Hill. We must find a way to create turnovers and rebound or the Oaks could have their way. Valley is playing with a ton of confidence right now, so hopefully they ride this wave to at least a share of the SOC title.

[yabbadabbadoo]

No, not all floors are the same size. Pay attention to the distance from the top of the key to center circle and from the edge of the floor to the corner of the three point line. There is a minimum size for a regulation floor but there is a variability after that.

Wheelersburg's old floor was regulation size but their new floor is larger. The trend has been to make the floors bigger.

Maybe it is an illusion and Oak Hill just 'feels' smaller--possibly because it is a smaller room with much closer walls on all sides and less space to the seats. My pictures have not been of the type to show dimensions of the gyms so I can't actually measure them from those. My general impression is that Valley is a little longer and maybe a touch wider than Oak Hill. No more than 2' and 5' on the dimensions but that can make a difference.

Ironton still has one of the longest floors in the area though it is about the same as Valley. New Boston is the probably the smallest left in use and probably is not true regulation.

BTW:
Wheelersburg had only 20 turnovers for the game and 7 in the fourth quarter. Valley had 18 for the game and 6 turnovers in the fourth quarter... Enough for a 1 point difference. But the actual scoring difference came at the free throw line where Wheelersburg was 3 of 5 and Valley was 8 of 14. Wheelersburg outscored Valley from the floor with more baskets made and a higher percentage shooting. Both teams shot 100% on free throws in the second half. Wheelersburg was 2/2 and Valley was 4/4 (all in the fourth quarter.) That is how close a game it truly was. In the end, I thought senior leadership was the difference as Cameron Arbaugh and Josh Winters came through for the Indians.

Kind of hard to get any free throw attempts when there was only 3 team fouls called on Valley in the second half. Burg took alot of balls to the hoop and didn't get the calls and on some of the pressure late in the game, a lot of slapping and reaching going on. Play that comes to mind is that I think on Stegman's third foul, he jumps in for a loose ball tie up and they call a foul on him, then late in the game, Burg player on the floor and No. 3 for Valley jumps right on top of him and they call a jumpball. What makes one play different from the other. Hey, at least the short, blackhaired guy made some calls this time. He did the Burg game against Minford this year and never made one call all night, and the short, blond haired guy (Schwartzel,sp) well let's just say he is a big Burg lover *sarcasm alert* *sarcasm alert* Whenever I see him doing a Burg game, I get a bad feeling. Felt the same way the other night.

Might have been a different outcome, but you have to be prepared for stuff like that and bottomline is that Burg just didn't take care of the ball late in the game. Need to work on the press a little more. I still think the schedule favors the Burg but only time will tell.

[yabbadabbadoo]

"IF" a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his butt when he jumped.

"IF" a fat woman fly's upside down, she has a big crack up.

"IF" a tree falls in the woods and there is no one around to hear it, does it make a sound

[coop]

No, not all floors are the same size. Pay attention to the distance from the top of the key to center circle and from the edge of the floor to the corner of the three point line. There is a minimum size for a regulation floor but there is a variability after that.

Wheelersburg's old floor was regulation size but their new floor is larger. The trend has been to make the floors bigger.

Maybe it is an illusion and Oak Hill just 'feels' smaller--possibly because it is a smaller room with much closer walls on all sides and less space to the seats. My pictures have not been of the type to show dimensions of the gyms so I can't actually measure them from those. My general impression is that Valley is a little longer and maybe a touch wider than Oak Hill. No more than 2' and 5' on the dimensions but that can make a difference.

Ironton still has one of the longest floors in the area though it is about the same as Valley. New Boston is the probably the smallest left in use and probably is not true regulation.

BTW:
Wheelersburg had only 20 turnovers for the game and 7 in the fourth quarter. Valley had 18 for the game and 6 turnovers in the fourth quarter... Enough for a 1 point difference. But the actual scoring difference came at the free throw line where Wheelersburg was 3 of 5 and Valley was 8 of 14. Wheelersburg outscored Valley from the floor with more baskets made and a higher percentage shooting. Both teams shot 100% on free throws in the second half. Wheelersburg was 2/2 and Valley was 4/4 (all in the fourth quarter.) That is how close a game it truly was. In the end, I thought senior leadership was the difference as Cameron Arbaugh and Josh Winters came through for the Indians.

gotcha, I wasnt aware some were different size wise....I thought there was a "standard" or "rule" that they all must be equal in size.

crab_apple4; I'm worried about the game too, but I think we'll hold our own.

[crab_apple4]

No, not all floors are the same size. Pay attention to the distance from the top of the key to center circle and from the edge of the floor to the corner of the three point line. There is a minimum size for a regulation floor but there is a variability after that.

Wheelersburg's old floor was regulation size but their new floor is larger. The trend has been to make the floors bigger.

Maybe it is an illusion and Oak Hill just 'feels' smaller--possibly because it is a smaller room with much closer walls on all sides and less space to the seats. My pictures have not been of the type to show dimensions of the gyms so I can't actually measure them from those. My general impression is that Valley is a little longer and maybe a touch wider than Oak Hill. No more than 2' and 5' on the dimensions but that can make a difference.

Ironton still has one of the longest floors in the area though it is about the same as Valley. New Boston is the probably the smallest left in use and probably is not true regulation.

BTW:
Wheelersburg had only 20 turnovers for the game and 7 in the fourth quarter. Valley had 18 for the game and 6 turnovers in the fourth quarter... Enough for a 1 point difference. But the actual scoring difference came at the free throw line where Wheelersburg was 3 of 5 and Valley was 8 of 14. Wheelersburg outscored Valley from the floor with more baskets made and a higher percentage shooting. Both teams shot 100% on free throws in the second half. Wheelersburg was 2/2 and Valley was 4/4 (all in the fourth quarter.) That is how close a game it truly was. In the end, I thought senior leadership was the difference as Cameron Arbaugh and Josh Winters came through for the Indians.

Kind of hard to get any free throw attempts when there was only 3 team fouls called on Valley in the second half. Burg took alot of balls to the hoop and didn't get the calls and on some of the pressure late in the game, a lot of slapping and reaching going on. Play that comes to mind is that I think on Stegman's third foul, he jumps in for a loose ball tie up and they call a foul on him, then late in the game, Burg player on the floor and No. 3 for Valley jumps right on top of him and they call a jumpball. What makes one play different from the other. Hey, at least the short, blackhaired guy made some calls this time. He did the Burg game against Minford this year and never made one call all night, and the short, blond haired guy (Schwartzel,sp) well let's just say he is a big Burg lover *sarcasm alert* *sarcasm alert* Whenever I see him doing a Burg game, I get a bad feeling. Felt the same way the other night.

Might have been a different outcome, but you have to be prepared for stuff like that and bottomline is that Burg just didn't take care of the ball late in the game. Need to work on the press a little more. I still think the schedule favors the Burg but only time will tell.

Yeah, because Burg has never had a foul or free throw advantage in any game played at Burg. I thought Schwartzel was terrible and I have never seen the heavy set guy call a good game. I remember him calling a game at Burg between Valley and Burg where Burg shot almost 30 FT's compared to Valley's 9 or 10.

To bring the officials into this conversation (I thought they were bad and inconsistent all night) is a disgrace to the game that both teams played. It was hard fought and very exciting.

I do agree that the schedule favors Burg, but the SOC this season has been anything but predictable this season.

[drrabbit]

I just wanted to say that I was not making a comment on the referees. Just noting where the difference in points came from. Wheelersburg outscored Valley from the field. Valley outscored Wheelersburg from the free throw line. The difference favored Valley. There were a few calls that I disagreed with but not more than usual. And I have always felt that it is the team's responsibility not to be so close that one call makes a difference in the outcome.

[TheMalteseFalcon]

Wheelersburg fans are like a school on Saturday.....

Especially a Portsmouth school.