Chillicothe @ Warren 1/23

[Cap'n Scoop]

Mr Hitchbone, I clearly saw the play where Jon Hebb (23) went in for the lay up and number 15 (I believe) went up with him. Ball goes in hoop, no foul call...correct call. They both crash into the wall, the Chilli player against it with Hebb on top of him. Hebb turns to go back down floor and Number 15 does a 2 handed shove, obvious as can be right in front of ref. The call was an easy one to make.
What Warriorfan stated is true, Chilli played aggresive press defense to get back into game. This creates a lot of calls.
Mr Dawes is correct....these officials were BAD, both ways. I have been to many Warren home games and don't remember seeing these guys before. So I don't believe they came in saying "Let's help Warren win this game".
This game should help both teams. For Warren, possibly a season saving victory. For Chilli, a tough road loss that if handled as such will make them stronger come tournament time. If they are taught to whine and complain about how they got hosed then they will not take anything good from the game.

Great win for the Warriors and I wish the Cavs luck the rest of the season.

Mr. Dawes, your son is a class act and I hope to see him on the Diamond this spring some time.

[tropical breeze]

Hitchbone, I know your pain. Last year in Zanesville when Chillicothe won in overtime, and rushed the floor as the cheerleaders taunted the Z-ville crowd in a league game. That just comes with the territory with being the defending state champs. It's just a league game, Chillicothe has a very good team and will learn from this experience that will be of benefit down the road. Great win for Warren!

[warrnwarriorfan]

One more thing . . .

Chilli did a great job of digging in and coming back from 11 points down. There was a point in the game where Warren couldn't even get the ball in without getting trapped at Chilli's baseline. Chilli has a great program and fine kids. I don't want to take a thing away from them. Way to fight back on the road.

Again, good luck to the Cavs. Maybe we'll get to see you again at the Convo.

[dawescpa]

Cap'n

Thank you.

[cavalierfan95]

it was a good game but the officals could have called moore fouls on warren.the warren kid kept elbowing our players and the refs didnt say anything.i hope this junk doesnt happen again.cavs need to hit the practice room harder make your freaking freethrows this is what got us in trouble when we played zanesville for the title.

anyway next is jackson on the road beat the ironmen.go cavs!


there im done im going back to sleep

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[dr awkward]

First off congrats to Warren sounds like you all played a great game in an outstanding atmosphere had to be a good feeling for you players. I hope it does give you all some momentum to finish the season and maybe we can meet back up at the Convo!

Cavs we have no excuses, Coach Kellough knows as well as anyone when you go on the road you have to deal with adversity (fans, refs, travel.....) I don't want to hear about the officials because it could have happened just as easily at Chillicothe because of the way the SEOAL gets the refs. Warren shouldn't have to apologize for poor officiating. You have to adjust to the way the game is being called and that is easier to do when you are at home.

Free Throw shooting 10/23 is 43%, are you kidding me you don't win many games at all when you shoot that from the CHARITY strip at home let alone on the road. I've been impressed with the Cavs all year with how they have played and although the offensive firepower isn't there the way it was last year Dawes, Knights have picked up the slack very nicely. They are senior leaders, both 4-year starters that are a joy to watch. Smith, Turner, and Van Volkingburg have filled in nicely and the defense has been amazing. This team however can't take nights off and still be successful. Bringing effort every night and doing the little things like rebounding and free-throw shooting makes the Cavs very tough to beat. This will be emphasized as the season goes forward. Good luck to both teams!

[trojandave]

I'm surprised by this score.......Chillicothe had been playing so well for the last several weeks, and Warren had been struggling........the free throw shooting for the Cavaliers proved costly........can't comment on the officials........I wasn't there.......

The Warriors will be a tough opponent for my Trojans next Friday...........

[hardrock21]

does Warren still have lots of injuries? if so and they get back to 100% could have a good postseason run.

[Hitchbone64]

After sleeping on this game, coaching my young Y-ball team and reviewing the game stats, I regret some of the comments I made, but still stand by my stance that the game was put in the hands of the officials and not the players.

Now the facts:

1) On the boards we played our worst game of the year.

Rebounding we are out boarded by 13 including giving up 14 offensive rebound. We were outboarded by 10 in the first half.

2) Scoring - We outscored Warren in 3 of the 4 qtrs, but got outscored by 9 in the 2nd qtr.

We shot 44% while Warren shots 43% (more then we normally give up). Points in paint - Cavs 28 to Warren 24 (still more then we give up. We also shot 3-13 from 3 ball, while Warren is 2-6. Many of our outside shots were due to the packed in and tight zone defense employed by Warren.

3) Defense - Due to foul trouble, IMO our rebounding suffered. We were in big foul trouble well before the 3rd qtr pressing we started. In fact we had very few fouls on the press. Our fouls were tick tack in the scrimmage area. This was not a good defensive game (due to the boards), but we also did not defend the drives and post as well as we should. Is that because of foul trouble? I will leave the debate alone.

4) Foul Shooting - Horrendous by the Cavs. We were 3-10 in the first half and 7-13 in the 2nd half. Almost all of our free throws were from going to the basket. Hence Ron Smith and Volklinburg shot 14 of the 23. Caleb Knights shots 6 and all of them were on drives in the lane. I agree we lost the game here, however, the type of fouls called in the game were definitely different.

5) Turnovers - Cavs turn the ball over 11 times to 15 for Warren. Again we win the stats battle here.

6) Assists - Cavs had 16 on 20 Field Goals. That is excellent. This is a measure that a few of us have looked at for the past 4 years (see Boston Celtics).

In summary, I feel like the Cavs should have won the game when we went up four midway through the 4th qtr. However, as the fouls stacked up against us in the 2nd and 4th quarter, we had people in with less experience and we suffered on the boards. Another key thing was the cut suffered by VanVolkinburg in which nothing was called. He was out for a few minute stretch and struggled with vision while back in (before he fouled out). Warren played a good game and as Dawescpa says, #23 is a good player (I believe he is a sophmore).

The Cavs will learn from it and with London coming on board next week, we will get some depth. I commented to my wife last night that this was a game we sorely missed Jordan Benson (out for Season). As a starter and versatile player, his loss has created a depth issue to overcome the foul trouble/injuries.

I will finally close by saying, I am still proud of my Cavs. Unless you were there, you would not understand the flow of the game. We will be better for this as the Senior Leaders will pull the team out of this short term adversity.

GO CAVS!!!

[WHSwarrior]

Warren's short bench is due to injuries from two big-time players: Clay Ellenwood and Seth Harris. Ellenwood is rehabbing his ankle and is making excellent progress, but unfortunately Harris is finished for the year. If Ellenwood were able to return for the final week of the regular season and possibly the postseason that would be a huge boost for Warren, he's a tough, physical player who's unselfish and buys into the system.

The loss of Harris is most def not good, his only points in the Maysville game are the reason Warren won. But this team is resilient and can win even without those two cogs in the machine.

Best of luck, Big Blue, as they move on to play Fed Hock on Tuesday night.

BTW, Chillicothe has a lot of guts, being able to storm back from 11 under to 4 up, if they had hit more FTs, I don't think Warrior Nation would be quite as giddy today.

[Whs95fan]

Although I wasn't able to attend the game, through word of mouth I heard Chili's best player was out because of grades. Any truth to that?

[Blu_n_Whyt]

wbex.com is going through some upgrades this weekend and my game recap story is "in the green room" awaiting posting.

So, here's a preview for SEOP readers.

Thanks to Bronc & hitchbone for the verbal support in the earlier posts. Once the website work is done and the podcast of the game broadcast is posted, those note in attendance can hear for themselves: http://wbex.com/pages/podcasts.html

Congratulations to Coach Maddox and the Warriors. The kids play with a great deal of heart. Perhaps we'll meet again on the tournament trail.

CAVS FALL AT WARREN 54-53
Dan Ramey
wbex.com

The Warriors put an end to Chillicothe's eight game winning streak Friday with a 54-53 victory.

With a chance to tie the game at 54, Ron Smith made the first of his two free throws, but fell short on the second. Unfortunately for the Cavaliers, it was a theme for their third loss of the season.

Chillicothe's difficulties: poor free throw shooting and trouble solving Warren's zone defense.

The Cavaliers have struggled against the zone in their first meeting at Ironton and a week later at home against Logan Elm.

This time, however, it gave Chillicothe fits.

The Cavs held a 13-11 first quarter lead, but went cold in the second, making just 3 of 10 field goals.

Meanwhile, Warren was limiting Chillicothe to one shot, out rebounding the Cavs on the night, 39-26.

The Warriors were also making more shots. That put Chillicothe down 26-19 at halftime.

The Cavs were doing nothing to help themselves from the free throw line, hitting just 3 of 10 in the first half.

The drought continued throughout the game, converting only 10 of 24 attempts, and paved the way for the game's ending.

Midway through the third period, Warren gained confidence and surged ahead of Chillicothe by 11 points at 32-21. Caleb Knights' only field goal of the game ended a 15-4 Warrior run.

Then, the Cavaliers began to chip away at the deficit. Using full court pressure and trap defense, Chillicothe managed to close to 36-33 at the end of the third quarter.

A Cavalier three pointer at the 5:59 mark in the fourth period gave Chillicothe its first lead since Brandon Fivecoat sank free throws for a 17-15 Warren lead in the second.
Chillicothe used three shots behind the arc by Seth Dawes and Michael Turner to take the lead, then extend it to 48-46.

With 4:00 left, the Cavs were up 50-46 and again 52-48 with 2:52 remaining.

Warren's Jonathan Hebb hit a bucket and was then sank two free throws to knot the score at 52.

Eric Hoon hit what became the game winner with 26 seconds left for a 54-52 lead on a 6-0 Warren run.

Dawes led Chillicothe with 14 points. He left the game with over three minutes left in the game as Chillicothe battled foul trouble throughout the game. Caleb Knights and Greg Vanvolkinburg both fouled out as well and combined for 14 points. Michael Turner scored 13 and Ron Smith 12 to finish the Cavs scoring.

Warren had three players in double figures. Hebb's 15 led the way, followed by 12 by Fivecoat and 10 by Austin Cunningham.

Both teams fared about the same from the field (CHS 43.5%, WHS 42.9%). But, the three pointers and free throws were a different story. The Cavs made 3 of 13 to Warren's 2 of 6 beyond the arc. At the line, Chillicothe was 10 of 23 and Warren 16 of 27.

Chillicothe (9-3/6-2) travels to Jackson (3-11/2-5) Tuesday night. Jackson fell to Logan 55-44 Friday.

[Dr. Chipinski]

43% from the line...enough said. With the talent Chilli has, to be up 4 with 2 minutes left in the game no way they should lose. Refs caused this loss? C'mon guys, they got beat...all refs are bad? Spoken like a true parent...

[Sportsfanallnitelong]

u go Dr. Chip.

u are 100% correct.

every single game in the country is blamed on the refs.

If Mr. hitchbone thinks he can ref any better he ought to go get his referee license and see how hard it is to call a game that happens at lighting speed sometime. All he wants to do is be a numbers kind of guy and look at all the stats. He mentions all the stats of which team won this and which team won that but forgets to mention the most important stat.

THE FINAL SCORE !!!!!!!

THE WARRIORS 54 -- CAVS 53

GO WARRIORS!!!!

[Warrior Mom]

What goes around comes around.It has been brought to my attention that tonight the Vincent Lady Warriors played in Chillicothe and lost in overtime,and guess who they had as referees, 2 of 3 that "homered" the Cavs at Vincent last night. Now do we want to debate this , call it even, or just accept it for what it is. I am curious to know how you felt about their job performance tonight since it fell your way this time.

[Hitchbone64]

hitchbone64
How would your son/daughter react after winning a hard fought physical game,where they were the underdog,against the defending state champs. Give our kids alittle credit here. They out played the Cavs last night....IT IS WHAT IT IS.You say don't screw with the kids,but you don't mind making such comments to our kids,about not watching the game film,as it may make them cringe.

Fact is,and I quote you,"We got out rebounded,shot poorly from the field and free throw line,and did not play our best defensive game." That my friend is why you came up with the "L".It ain't rocket science.But why were at it lets do alittle math,any team going to the foul line to shoot 25 free throws has NOT been homered.

I will agree with your comments about Knight and Dawes being classy kids,as well as great ball players.With that said I would like to share a story about having class as well.Last year during your wonderful run the the state title,my son was a freshman and attended your championship game in Columbus,upon arriving home he came thru the door wearing a 10 foot smile and a CHILLICOTHE CAVALIERS STATE CHAMPS tee shirt on , that is class.(still wears it to school today). Well he was on that floor last night playing against kids he cheered on,knowing what they were capable of doing. And we got the "W",did you see the look on his face by chance? He earned it!!!!But if you must go ahead and take credit for making the Warriors year because that my friend you did.

Warriormom,

First I am back on just reading most of the post that "rightfully" put me in my place this morning and throughout today. Second, I will try and respond to each of them in regards to their individual post.

First, most people who know me on this Forum and on JJ Huddle, know that I typically am as positive and respectful to players, coaches and respective teams. Second, I am not ashamed to say when I am wrong. I am not a parent of any of the kids in the program. I just happen to be a huge fan who works behind the scenes. I look at Dawes, Knights and others as "sons" to me, as I have watched them mature into excellent young men.

I will say it first right here. I was wrong by coming on here and saying anything. We started a motto four years ago (one of the kids dad) that says "Win with Class and Lose with Class". I thought our kids did that last night and I did not.

To your points. I was not attempting to badmouth the Warren kids or fans for celebrating the win. I actually love it. I wrongly said "they should not watch the film". I thought the Warren kids played and outstanding game and the coaches had an outstanding game plan. I also thought the Warren kids had more energy, out hustled and out muscled a stronger (physical wise) Cavalier squad. My second post today commented more on the stats. Stats don't always tell the story. Heart and Passion do. The Warren kids played with it. I also thought the Warren fans were tremendous.

Next, as for my comments as to the stats. I agree with my assessment and beleive that the team has to play through these things to win. Last years team learned to do that (see Logan Elm game). Coach Thad Matta (Ohio State) spoke at our Private State Championship ring ceremony last year. He told the kids, the coaches and us fans that were there, that this years team would have a "bullseye" on its chest every game. That has been true. We will get everyone's best effort and we saw that last night.

I will also comment on your later quote about the girls game today. I am somewhat surprised we got the same refs from last night (simply because of travel). However, if indeed the same thing happened to them, then it is wrong. I don't believe refs purposely call the game any particular way to favor a team. My only issue (and I have stated this publicly and privately to the many officials I know) that there is sometimes no consisteny. Last night (and it sounds like tonight) there was no consistency. It is hard for 15-18 year olds to adjust to that. Hence my comment about the sense of frustration (or a better term is confusion) from Knights and Dawes. They both know how to win and lose.

In closing, I considered deleting my original post, but I am willing to take my shots. My hat is off to the Warren program. With the youthfulness and all the injuries, that is a big win for the program. One you can build off of. Not sure what number your son is, but I appreciate his support and happiness that he showed (and many others) when we won the State last year. Warren has a great Freshman class and some of the sophmores (starting with #23) are extremely talented. My wife and sister said at dinner tonight, that the Warren kids seemed to be jumping higher then us last night. That was the case (see rebounding). That deserves a smile. And yes, if I was your son, I would have had a huge grin on my face.

I am know off to eat my crow and humble pie. Lesson learned from this ole Cav.

Good luck the rest of the year and if you have Ironton coming up, play them as hard as you played us.

GO CAVS!!!

[Hitchbone64]

Mr Hitchbone, I clearly saw the play where Jon Hebb (23) went in for the lay up and number 15 (I believe) went up with him. Ball goes in hoop, no foul call...correct call. They both crash into the wall, the Chilli player against it with Hebb on top of him. Hebb turns to go back down floor and Number 15 does a 2 handed shove, obvious as can be right in front of ref. The call was an easy one to make.
What Warriorfan stated is true, Chilli played aggresive press defense to get back into game. This creates a lot of calls.
Mr Dawes is correct....these officials were BAD, both ways. I have been to many Warren home games and don't remember seeing these guys before. So I don't believe they came in saying "Let's help Warren win this game".
This game should help both teams. For Warren, possibly a season saving victory. For Chilli, a tough road loss that if handled as such will make them stronger come tournament time. If they are taught to whine and complain about how they got hosed then they will not take anything good from the game.

Great win for the Warriors and I wish the Cavs luck the rest of the season.

Mr. Dawes, your son is a class act and I hope to see him on the Diamond this spring some time.

Cap'nscoop,

You are a class act and I was an *&* last night on my post. As stated to warriormom, I am digesting my humble pie and crow right now.

To your points: On the critical play with Turner (#15) getting the foul. I to saw the play. What is missed is the tangle up under the basket. My only point is there is pushing and shoving going on throughout the games in piles. Turner was clearly trying to get up and get the ball out to advance it. He felt impeded and was clearing space (wrongly in the officials eyes). My only issue, is I cannot ever remember seeing this called. What I did notice (and the Cavs have to learn) is on these older smaller courts, the baseline area is very small. These kids are so fast and athletic that after #23 came down with Turner #15, there is no room to land but into the wall and each other. Turner has to be smarter, I just wish it is a no call or the officials talk to the kids. I watched a Warren player (not sure if JV or Varsity) slam a ball down on the ground in disgust over a call. The official at first put whistle to mouth, but instead went over to the kid and told him not to do it again. I appreciate that type of officiating. The game was very close (both were).

As far as being taught to whine and complain that will not happen. If you notice, Dan Ramey (WBEX and the best) gave a game summary and no coaches comments. The local paper (Chillicothe Gazette) also game only a game summary. Coach Kellough will take the defeat like I should have and correct what needs corrected. I myself will tell the young kids as I always do that I am proud of them, but we need to work harder and smarter. We have shot free throws poorly all year so last night was nothing new. Many will say it cost us the game. I will stand by poor rebounding and foul trouble costing us the game. My second post today shows Chilly actually outscored Warren in 3 of the 4 quarters. However, a stretch with 2 minutes to go in the first through the second, had Warren outscoring us by 13 points. Game, Set and Match.

Good luck to the Warren faithful the rest of the year! Maybe we can both get fortunate and get to the Districts and have a nice SEOAL rematch.

GO CAVS!!!

[Hitchbone64]

One more thing . . .

Chilli did a great job of digging in and coming back from 11 points down. There was a point in the game where Warren couldn't even get the ball in without getting trapped at Chilli's baseline. Chilli has a great program and fine kids. I don't want to take a thing away from them. Way to fight back on the road.

Again, good luck to the Cavs. Maybe we'll get to see you again at the Convo.

warrnwarriorfan,

Thanks for the classy post. I typically am that way. I to would love to see you guys at the Convo. I pull for all SEOAL teams during the tourney.

[Hitchbone64]

Although I wasn't able to attend the game, through word of mouth I heard Chili's best player was out because of grades. Any truth to that?

WHS95FAN,

No truth to our best player being out. We have a freshman that is out and will be back next week. He is 6'8" and a very athletic young man. However, he has not stepped foot on the court at the High School level, so there will be a significant adjustment period for him. We did however, have a Starter and 2 year letter winner out with a season ending shoulder surgery. Jordan Benson is a class act and we do miss him. However, we have to overcome those things.

GO CAVS!!!

[Hitchbone64]

43% from the line...enough said. With the talent Chilli has, to be up 4 with 2 minutes left in the game no way they should lose. Refs caused this loss? C'mon guys, they got beat...all refs are bad? Spoken like a true parent...

Dr. C. As stated above, I am not a parent and don't want anyone to think I represent anyone but my own stupid mouth. However, I will state to many (and the teams all ready know this), Chilly is a bad free throw shooting team. We have not shot well all year. As posted throughout this thread, we got beat on the boards. Plan and simple. You can't give up 14 offensive rebounds and expect to win. Even with threeof our bigs in major foul trouble throughout the game, the bench has to come through.

GO CAVS!!!