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wobycat wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:55 am Congrats Jackson. Good luck moving forward
I will give Burg credit they never gave up and fought hard all the way and I see improvement in them.
Prep will be a hard game for them but a winnable game IMO.
Good luck rest of the way


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fielddaddy wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:27 am
wobycat wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:55 am Congrats Jackson. Good luck moving forward
I will give Burg credit they never gave up and fought hard all the way and I see improvement in them.
Prep will be a hard game for them but a winnable game IMO.
Good luck rest of the way
Its not winnable
prep will be running clock #3 on the season. Burg will get embarrassed
One thing burg does with consistency is lose to Ironton, jackson and prep (1-14) post holden
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No way Prep is a winnable game. I've watched Burg football since 89 and this team reminds me of the 2000 team. Went 5-5 and lost to Minford twice that year. As mentioned before this team is lacking all around. Fundamentals and conditioning a big area. I remember the Burg having small linemen and blowing big kids off the ball. Is it lack of talent or coaching? Hard to say but I'll still root for them. And I'll say this, with their schedule, they have no fear of playing the better teams in the region. Go Burg.


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art_vandelay wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2024 10:07 pm
Sonny Weaver wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2024 9:43 pm
art_vandelay wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2024 9:15 pm

There is no QB controversy. Rucker is your best chance to win, and freshmen shouldn’t be on field at Burg.*
Never said there was a controversy, but all those areas need improvement (can’t help injuries, but they are a concern).
My bad…was thinking of some other posts above when I responded to you. Doerr is going to be a player at QB if he is focused on football (he a solid basketball player as well), but freshmen don’t belong on field at Burg.

This coming offseason though could be real interesting at QB1 position.*
I'm not sure QB1 is the one that decided not to play


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fielddaddy wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:27 am
wobycat wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:55 am Congrats Jackson. Good luck moving forward
I will give Burg credit they never gave up and fought hard all the way and I see improvement in them.
Prep will be a hard game for them but a winnable game IMO.
Good luck rest of the way
Love the optimism but no chance against HP. That will be Burg’s most humiliating loss of the season.


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fbnut wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:39 am
art_vandelay wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2024 10:07 pm
Sonny Weaver wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2024 9:43 pm

Never said there was a controversy, but all those areas need improvement (can’t help injuries, but they are a concern).
My bad…was thinking of some other posts above when I responded to you. Doerr is going to be a player at QB if he is focused on football (he a solid basketball player as well), but freshmen don’t belong on field at Burg.

This coming offseason though could be real interesting at QB1 position.*
I'm not sure QB1 is the one that decided not to play
You might be right. Hopefully he decides to play next season.


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RBH23 wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:43 am
fielddaddy wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:27 am
wobycat wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:55 am Congrats Jackson. Good luck moving forward
I will give Burg credit they never gave up and fought hard all the way and I see improvement in them.
Prep will be a hard game for them but a winnable game IMO.
Good luck rest of the way
Love the optimism but no chance against HP. That will be Burg’s most humiliating loss of the season.
but hey things are looking up, mighty NW is next :lol:


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Wheelersburg is huge up front , they have some hard runners and a couple real nice receivers, and the quarterback is plenty skilled enough to win games. He’s also a returning starter. What stood out to me watching on TV was how much more physical Jackson was . Burg kids seemed to be beat up and limping every other play. This Burg team isn’t lacking on talent that’s for sure.


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Larry Fine wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:57 am Wheelersburg is huge up front , they have some hard runners and a couple real nice receivers, and the quarterback is plenty skilled enough to win games. He’s also a returning starter. What stood out to me watching on TV was how much more physical Jackson was . Burg kids seemed to be beat up and limping every other play. This Burg team isn’t lacking on talent that’s for sure.
I think soft might be the word you're wanting to use


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Larry Fine wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:57 am Wheelersburg is huge up front , they have some hard runners and a couple real nice receivers, and the quarterback is plenty skilled enough to win games. He’s also a returning starter. What stood out to me watching on TV was how much more physical Jackson was . Burg kids seemed to be beat up and limping every other play. This Burg team isn’t lacking on talent that’s for sure.
Exactly! It’s not a talent issue.


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fielddaddy wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:27 am
wobycat wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:55 am Congrats Jackson. Good luck moving forward
I will give Burg credit they never gave up and fought hard all the way and I see improvement in them.
Prep will be a hard game for them but a winnable game IMO.
Good luck rest of the way
:lol: :lol:


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RBH23 wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 10:10 am
Larry Fine wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:57 am Wheelersburg is huge up front , they have some hard runners and a couple real nice receivers, and the quarterback is plenty skilled enough to win games. He’s also a returning starter. What stood out to me watching on TV was how much more physical Jackson was . Burg kids seemed to be beat up and limping every other play. This Burg team isn’t lacking on talent that’s for sure.
Exactly! It’s not a talent issue.
exactly where do you see this talent? I'm not sure were watching the same team. I'm not sure there is one kid on this team that would be good enough to play for some of the more talented burg teams.


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art_vandelay wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 12:51 am
Jawnjkang98 wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2024 6:32 pm
14U wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2024 6:29 pm

Yep
Are burg coaches more interested in pleasing their parent friends so they can stay in the "superior" friend group? Lol
I’ve followed Burg football for years. After seeing some of the players that have been on the field as underclassmen for Burg in last few years, this somehow a valid question.

Ed Miller and Larry Hall didn’t have freshmen/sophomores on field unless they were special. And they didn’t have 75 player rosters at their disposal either.*
Ahh the pressure to be accepted by the affluent in the land of milk, honey, & "superior coaching & culture."

That's tough. Lol


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greygoose wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 10:27 am
fielddaddy wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:27 am
wobycat wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:55 am Congrats Jackson. Good luck moving forward
I will give Burg credit they never gave up and fought hard all the way and I see improvement in them.
Prep will be a hard game for them but a winnable game IMO.
Good luck rest of the way
:lol: :lol:
Lmao these burg fans are in deep delusion. Whaaaat? 😂😂


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RBH23 wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 10:10 am
Larry Fine wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:57 am Wheelersburg is huge up front , they have some hard runners and a couple real nice receivers, and the quarterback is plenty skilled enough to win games. He’s also a returning starter. What stood out to me watching on TV was how much more physical Jackson was . Burg kids seemed to be beat up and limping every other play. This Burg team isn’t lacking on talent that’s for sure.
Exactly! It’s not a talent issue.
Huge up front but SLOW and they gas out.


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The Nature Boy wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:38 am No way Prep is a winnable game. I've watched Burg football since 89 and this team reminds me of the 2000 team. Went 5-5 and lost to Minford twice that year. As mentioned before this team is lacking all around. Fundamentals and conditioning a big area. I remember the Burg having small linemen and blowing big kids off the ball. Is it lack of talent or coaching? Hard to say but I'll still root for them. And I'll say this, with their schedule, they have no fear of playing the better teams in the region. Go Burg.
Complacency. While burg was busy telling everyone about their "superior coaching & culture" they slipped back and programs like Ironton and Prep passed em up and outworked em in the offseason.


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fbnut wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 10:05 am
Larry Fine wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:57 am Wheelersburg is huge up front , they have some hard runners and a couple real nice receivers, and the quarterback is plenty skilled enough to win games. He’s also a returning starter. What stood out to me watching on TV was how much more physical Jackson was . Burg kids seemed to be beat up and limping every other play. This Burg team isn’t lacking on talent that’s for sure.
I think soft might be the word you're wanting to use
Them highly touted on seops milk and honey burg suburbs and superiority will do that to ya. Lol


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fbnut wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 10:43 am
RBH23 wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 10:10 am
Larry Fine wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:57 am Wheelersburg is huge up front , they have some hard runners and a couple real nice receivers, and the quarterback is plenty skilled enough to win games. He’s also a returning starter. What stood out to me watching on TV was how much more physical Jackson was . Burg kids seemed to be beat up and limping every other play. This Burg team isn’t lacking on talent that’s for sure.
Exactly! It’s not a talent issue.
exactly where do you see this talent? I'm not sure were watching the same team. I'm not sure there is one kid on this team that would be good enough to play for some of the more talented burg teams.
Comparing them to Holden and Matthews? No. But comparing them to typical Burg teams over the past 25 years? Talent at QB, RB, and WR is not a problem. Also plenty of size on the line.

So what’s the problem? Well let’s take the QB. The development of him by the coaching staff has been criminal:
- First mistake, they played him at varsity as a freshman. Kid was not ready for this and never should have been on the field as a varsity player.
- Second, because the coaches put him in as the backup as a freshman, the kid who should have been backup eventually quit football. A terrible mistake.
- Third, now the young QB was forced into the starting role as a sophomore since the coaches messed up the QB room. Worse, the coaches opened the playbook instead of easing the sophomore into the role. Results: lots of mistakes and interceptions which did not help his confidence.
- Now, in his junior year, the kid lacks confidence and is questioning himself. Worse, the coaches refuse to simplify the offense for him which is exacerbating the problem. Just ridiculous what the offensive coaches are doing.

How to solve this long term?
- One, quit playing and dressing freshman for varsity. Keep them on the freshman team and let them develop as a class together.
- Two, starting and playing time at varsity needs to be heavily focused on seniors and juniors with no freshmen and few sophomores. This was practiced by Ed and Larry, also practiced by the top small schools in the state. Burg coaches are pushing young kids up too quickly which is hurting their development and confidence.
- Three, run an offense that fits our talent. Should have been done a decade ago. No idea why the coaches are unable to see this. Remarkable!


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LOL, I bet Wheelersburg football community is really in love with the input! Keep it up on your suggestions every day maybe after 70 days of breaking the games down come the 71st day they will hopefully take your comments and change everything. Good Luck on your play calling and Coaching. Wow Im suprised that your not a Head Coach somewhere, but maybe one day youll get your chance, keep on doing your analysis every day! Very interesting take on each game and each play. I bet you will be happy this week , Northwest should be a good test for 0-3 Pirates. I predict a 60-7 score Pirates.


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RBH23 wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:18 pm
fbnut wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 10:43 am
RBH23 wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 10:10 am

Exactly! It’s not a talent issue.
exactly where do you see this talent? I'm not sure were watching the same team. I'm not sure there is one kid on this team that would be good enough to play for some of the more talented burg teams.
Comparing them to Holden and Matthews? No. But comparing them to typical Burg teams over the past 25 years? Talent at QB, RB, and WR is not a problem. Also plenty of size on the line.

So what’s the problem? Well let’s take the QB. The development of him by the coaching staff has been criminal:
- First mistake, they played him at varsity as a freshman. Kid was not ready for this and never should have been on the field as a varsity player.
- Second, because the coaches put him in as the backup as a freshman, the kid who should have been backup eventually quit football. A terrible mistake.
- Third, now the young QB was forced into the starting role as a sophomore since the coaches messed up the QB room. Worse, the coaches opened the playbook instead of easing the sophomore into the role. Results: lots of mistakes and interceptions which did not help his confidence.
- Now, in his junior year, the kid lacks confidence and is questioning himself. Worse, the coaches refuse to simplify the offense for him which is exacerbating the problem. Just ridiculous what the offensive coaches are doing.

How to solve this long term?
- One, quit playing and dressing freshman for varsity. Keep them on the freshman team and let them develop as a class together.
- Two, starting and playing time at varsity needs to be heavily focused on seniors and juniors with no freshmen and few sophomores. This was practiced by Ed and Larry, also practiced by the top small schools in the state. Burg coaches are pushing young kids up too quickly which is hurting their development and confidence.
- Three, run an offense that fits our talent. Should have been done a decade ago. No idea why the coaches are unable to see this. Remarkable!
All of this is pretty spot on.


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