Why do officials not call as much come tournament time?

[Riverrat Tiger]

I actually think at the Convo, it's the other way around. 3 games from last year stick in my mind as probably the most over officiated games I've seen. South Point v. Oak Hill, Ironton v. No. Adams, and McClain v. Chillicothe. Just my opinion, but I believe these refs should be assigned games like they do in Football and send them out of their Region.

[TheMalteseFalcon]

send them out of their Region.

I agree with that.....

[TheMalteseFalcon]

3 games from last year stick in my mind as probably the most over officiated games I've seen. South Point v. Oak Hill, Ironton v. No. Adams, and McClain v. Chillicothe.

You mean you actually WENT to an away game ??

[Riverrat Tiger]

I haven't missed very many Ironton games at the Convo.

[GoBlue22]

I have only watched one tourney game this year (Greenfield vs. Unioto), and I thought the refs were not great, but not horrible either. But they were consistent for both teams. Someone mentioned earlier that traveling and palming the ball usually don't get called: the Unioto guard was called for palming four times I think, and I didn't think it was that obvious.

The main issue I have w/ tourney games is that the refs let more fouls occur in the paint, and intentional fouls are not called like they should be. It seems they watch the guards more than the big men.

[4thgoal]

I think the main thing is that the refs are consistent and let the kids decide the game. Whether they call it close or let them play, the kids are used to this throughout the season and after 3-4 minutes into the game they know how it is going to be called. I feel this is just part of the game and everyone who has followed any team all season knows that each game you have to test the waters and see how the refs are going to call it.

I like to see them call it the same both ways all 32 minutes. If they do that, the kids will decide the game.

[GoBlue22]

I also hate seeing those overdramatic guys who make calls so everyone can see them. There are a few too many of those guys running around too.

I agree. There are too many ref's that enjoy the power. Some just want to look like they are in charge. Greenfield had a ref like that at a freshman game a few weeks ago. He even told the coaches, players, and cheerleaders to calm down after a player made a three pointer to send the game into overtime!

[Out of Bounds]

The difference isn't as drastic as you think. The difference is you see so many different officials during the season and many of them are of different calibers. I think if you notice, most of the officials that are considered good officials let the kids play all season and they end up doing the District, Regional and State games. Those guys don't change as much as everyone thinks. The officials that everyone usually bashes are the ones that are blowing their wistle all time. No coach, fan or player wants a tic tac game called. Keeping the best players on the floor usually means a better game!

[BlindWhiteHat]

I have to disagree OOB. I think some of these guys get so many assignments in the postseason, they think they are bigger than the game itself. It would be nice to go to the Convo and not see the same guys every single time. There have to be other officials in this district qualified to call these games.

[justacommontator]

I think the fouling has gotten way out of hand for some teams. I agree with playing hard and there are times when you have to foul - but at those times you expect to have the foul called. But there is way to much pushing, elbow throwing, and stiff armed hand checking that it puts a team that plays by the rules at a disadvantage. This is not what basketball was intended to be. There is a reason you don't wear helmets and shoulder pads. There are several teams that play so aggressive, I know they have to be coached to get away with as much as you can. It ruins the game. Officials have to step up and make the calls, not just a cozy little warning whispered in the ear of a coach or player. Be the man, make the call. The same is true for carrying the ball, rules are rules, make the call even if it means calling it everytime up the floor. Eventually they will learn to play by the rules.

[Amen Corner]

I haven't seen a change in reg. season and Tourny play as of yet.

[tossithigh]

IMHO --- Many officials are caught up in the “let’um play” mentality come tournament time. Just because it is a tournament game at the “Convo” or any site there should be no change in the way a game is called. I think OOB and BWH both have good points in their posts. There are some officials who think the game is about them and want to be seen. There are others who are influenced by the bravado the “let’um play” group and change their style at tournament time. The OHSAA has a lot to do with this. I am not placing blame but if there was more evaluating of officials during tournament or regular season I think things would be somewhat different. Yes I know there is some kind of rating system in place now--- but it is my understanding there is no feed back just a rating. How can there be improvement/change if there is no feedback on what you are doing. Overall the fouling, traveling, palming the ball and unsportsmanlike acts are getting worse. Since there is not a rush of persons wanting to be referees, the current ones have to step it up. IMHO

[TheMalteseFalcon]

But there is way to much pushing, elbow throwing, and stiff armed hand checking that it puts a team that plays by the rules at a disadvantage. This is not what basketball was intended to be.

[tossithigh]

Mr. Falcon -- That's a great action picture but did the player in white run through the other players arm; how much contact is there I hear what you are trying to say but this picture as is doesn't necessarily call for a foul. The contact in this picture is non-existant when compared to what occurs and is not called during tournament games.

[bitbucket]

I actually think at the Convo, it's the other way around. 3 games from last year stick in my mind as probably the most over officiated games I've seen. South Point v. Oak Hill, Ironton v. No. Adams, and McClain v. Chillicothe. Just my opinion, but I believe these refs should be assigned games like they do in Football and send them out of their Region.

I was hoping someone would reply to the opposite. The Ironton game especially comes to mind last year. Must have been fifty fouls called. The Chilli DeSale game also. Chilli boys got quick fouls and the DeSale big kid only got one or two fouls called.

[TheMalteseFalcon]

Mr. Falcon -- That's a great action picture but did the player in white run through the other players arm; how much contact is there I hear what you are trying to say but this picture as is doesn't necessarily call for a foul.

I don't (nor do you) know what happened before or after this snapshot and is really beside the point but IMO the picture AS IS does warrant a foul.

[tossithigh]

Mr. Falcon -- That's a great action picture but did the player in white run through the other players arm; how much contact is there I hear what you are trying to say but this picture as is doesn't necessarily call for a foul.

I don't (nor do you) know what happened before or after this snapshot and is really beside the point but IMO the picture AS IS does warrant a foul.

I totaly agree we do not know what happened before or after the snapshot and there is contact. However, in order to determine if there is a foul we have to know what happened. According to the NFHS rule book "not all contact is a foul". Did the player in white duck under the arm of the player in black or did the player in black reach out to grab the player in white??? From the rule book ..."Contact which occurs unintentionally in an effort by an opponent to reach a loose ball or contact which may result when opponents are in equally favorable positions to perform normal defensive ore offensive movements, should not be considered illegal...." Taken from Rule 4; Section 27.

By the way I respect the opinion of my fellow man, just offering another way to look at the same situation.

[TheMalteseFalcon]

By the way I respect the opinion of my fellow man, just offering another way to look at the same situation.

Same here. I guess the way I see it is the player in white is obviously reaching for the ball and has the better position ( not equally favorable) while the player in black is somewhat behind and has his arms out to the side with his right arm/hand straight while his left hand is "hooked" over the shoulder of the player in white, as if trying to hold him back and gain the advantage.
JMO