Mayo investigation could affect Ironton's runner-up status
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Re: Mayo investigation could affect Ironton's runner-up status
Once the 3 boys enrolled at NCH they broke the 50% rule period. They should have been ruled ineligible. This would stop the "kids" from recruiting.lol
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Re: Mayo investigation could affect Ironton's runner-up status
Game playing needs to stop involving recruiting. OHHSAA needs to crack down. Bengalfan76's suggestion is a great first place to start. The 50% rule is a joke and if someone does what OJ does, they should sit out a year because the transfer does in fact violate the 50% rule. The AAU "recruiting" by "players" of other players from their AAU teams to their school needs to stop.
Again, what exactly is the rationale behind the 50% rule? No one has ever been able to explain that to me. I know in West Virginia that an entire team is allowed to play together. Why not in Ohio? In southeast Ohio, all the 50% rule does is leave behind players who may want to play in the summer as their are few, if any AAU/OYB teams in the area. A Columbus kid has a choice of a 100 AAU/OYB teams to play for and then can recruit or be recruited by whomever to play at another school (the same recruiting thing happens with the 50% rule in baseball as well although not only on such a grandiose scale as basketball).
I have also never understood the 50% rationale in baseball either. In Florida, high school teams play together all summer. Of course, I am not sure that the OHHSAA even knows that high school baseball exists in some instances with the never ending expansion of "contact days" ; passing scrimmages, foundation games in football, etc. Weren't they trying to have a dead period for a few weeks in the summer a few years ago that would have killed summer baseball? Of course, this dead period would have done nothing to prevent the ever expanding high school football season. It is one of my biggest fears that summer baseball in Ohio, particulary American Legion baseball, will very soon become a thing of the past as it is almost becoming impossilbe to have a legion tournament now because they keep moving up football and the constant pressure that some football coaches put on athletes to attend their "voluntary" workouts. The only kids that will soon be playing baseball will be those that can afford to travel and pay to play on "travel teams". If the 50% rule were not in effect for baseball as well, perhaps a high school team can stay together and at least play 15-20 more games in the summer without effecting a team's summer basketball or football programs as good coaches will work with each other and figure out a way to accomodate all sports. So instead of having four kids playing summer baseball, you might have 9 or 10.
Again, what exactly is the rationale behind the 50% rule? No one has ever been able to explain that to me. I know in West Virginia that an entire team is allowed to play together. Why not in Ohio? In southeast Ohio, all the 50% rule does is leave behind players who may want to play in the summer as their are few, if any AAU/OYB teams in the area. A Columbus kid has a choice of a 100 AAU/OYB teams to play for and then can recruit or be recruited by whomever to play at another school (the same recruiting thing happens with the 50% rule in baseball as well although not only on such a grandiose scale as basketball).
I have also never understood the 50% rationale in baseball either. In Florida, high school teams play together all summer. Of course, I am not sure that the OHHSAA even knows that high school baseball exists in some instances with the never ending expansion of "contact days" ; passing scrimmages, foundation games in football, etc. Weren't they trying to have a dead period for a few weeks in the summer a few years ago that would have killed summer baseball? Of course, this dead period would have done nothing to prevent the ever expanding high school football season. It is one of my biggest fears that summer baseball in Ohio, particulary American Legion baseball, will very soon become a thing of the past as it is almost becoming impossilbe to have a legion tournament now because they keep moving up football and the constant pressure that some football coaches put on athletes to attend their "voluntary" workouts. The only kids that will soon be playing baseball will be those that can afford to travel and pay to play on "travel teams". If the 50% rule were not in effect for baseball as well, perhaps a high school team can stay together and at least play 15-20 more games in the summer without effecting a team's summer basketball or football programs as good coaches will work with each other and figure out a way to accomodate all sports. So instead of having four kids playing summer baseball, you might have 9 or 10.
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Re: Mayo investigation could affect Ironton's runner-up status
boy of summer wrote:Game playing needs to stop involving recruiting. OHHSAA needs to crack down. Bengalfan76's suggestion is a great first place to start. The 50% rule is a joke and if someone does what OJ does, they should sit out a year because the transfer does in fact violate the 50% rule. The AAU "recruiting" by "players" of other players from their AAU teams to their school needs to stop.
Again, what exactly is the rationale behind the 50% rule? No one has ever been able to explain that to me. I know in West Virginia that an entire team is allowed to play together. Why not in Ohio? In southeast Ohio, all the 50% rule does is leave behind players who may want to play in the summer as their are few, if any AAU/OYB teams in the area. A Columbus kid has a choice of a 100 AAU/OYB teams to play for and then can recruit or be recruited by whomever to play at another school (the same recruiting thing happens with the 50% rule in baseball as well although not only on such a grandiose scale as basketball).
I have also never understood the 50% rationale in baseball either. In Florida, high school teams play together all summer. Of course, I am not sure that the OHHSAA even knows that high school baseball exists in some instances with the never ending expansion of "contact days" ; passing scrimmages, foundation games in football, etc. Weren't they trying to have a dead period for a few weeks in the summer a few years ago that would have killed summer baseball? Of course, this dead period would have done nothing to prevent the ever expanding high school football season. It is one of my biggest fears that summer baseball in Ohio, particulary American Legion baseball, will very soon become a thing of the past as it is almost becoming impossilbe to have a legion tournament now because they keep moving up football and the constant pressure that some football coaches put on athletes to attend their "voluntary" workouts. The only kids that will soon be playing baseball will be those that can afford to travel and pay to play on "travel teams". If the 50% rule were not in effect for baseball as well, perhaps a high school team can stay together and at least play 15-20 more games in the summer without effecting a team's summer basketball or football programs as good coaches will work with each other and figure out a way to accomodate all sports. So instead of having four kids playing summer baseball, you might have 9 or 10.
Great post and I agree with you. Baseball is dying and I am one who hates it. Legion ball is a great eexperience, and to see it go will be a sad day for me. I ama baseball junkie. I agree 1 million percent with you.
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Re: Mayo investigation could affect Ironton's runner-up status
Did anyone see the 60 Minutes interview with LeBron James? He unequivocally said that his AAU team, who won numerous championships during Junior High years, wanted to go to high school together and the only place that they could do that was Akron St. Vincent St. Mary. It is a shame, that ASVSM and OHSAA allowed this to happen at the detriment of the other 200 schools in the Division they competed in for the State Championships, that ASVSM ultimately won. So, Mayo, Walker, and Ellis did not do anything wrong, the precedent had already been set.
Re: Mayo investigation could affect Ironton's runner-up status
if you want to play for a school then live in that district. open enrollment is killing the significance of high school "championships". locally webster would not have won a state basketball championship without an open enrolled student. the dispute with private schools has always existed. only way to stop this is to have a "public" and "private" school champion. open enroll if you want a better education, but if it involves sports move to the district or don't play.
Re: Mayo investigation could affect Ironton's runner-up status
RxBurgFan wrote:if you want to play for a school then live in that district. open enrollment is killing the significance of high school "championships". locally webster would not have won a state basketball championship without an open enrolled student. the dispute with private schools has always existed. only way to stop this is to have a "public" and "private" school champion. open enroll if you want a better education, but if it involves sports move to the district or don't play.
we all know that Waginger<spell...was a big part of Websters team, but none of us can really say, whether or not Webster would have won the Title or not, they wass till a very good team, without Brig,,,,,,,they did make a deep run the year before,with everyone coming back
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Re: Mayo investigation could affect Ironton's runner-up status
hawkeyepierce wrote: So, Mayo, Walker, and Ellis did not do anything wrong, the precedent had already been set.
You can't justify one wrong by pointing to another wrong.