Enrollment Numbers

[YOU'RE TIGER BAIT]

I was told not too far back from an Ironton assistant coach that Ironton should be fine and not be having any change. That they should stay in Division 5. He also went on to say probably Burg would be the only team really affected by this change. They could go up as high as Divion 3.

WOW, THAT WOULD NOT BE FAIR IN MY OPINION. THE DIFFERENCE IN ENROLLMENT FROM 5 TO 3 IS STAGGERING.

[Oak]

Wheelersburg has bunches of kids that go there that do not live in the Wheelersburg district. They may have a D5 overall enrollment, but they are basically a public-private school as far as sports go. Don't blame them for having athletes, but based on the transfers they are not on the level with other D5 schools in the area. Competitive balance was supposedly designed to even the field but it is more of a smokescreen designed to passify public schools so they don't secede from the OHSAA or vote for public/private championships. The OHSAA caters to the private schools and its very obvious. Qualifiers like kids going to that school system before 7th grade not counting as a transfer were built into the agreement so basically competitive balance will add very little to a teams enrollment. If they wanted to be fair they would look at every student's address. If they are outside the district they count as 2.

[JTEK]

i'm really not sure the burg has anymore kids that live outside of district than anyone else. most kids anymore move into the district to avoid having to sit out

[svac83]

I don't think you should go through every kid in the school because a lot of kids change schools for a whole bunch of reasons that have nothing to do with a sport.

[Oak]

I don't think you should go through every kid in the school because a lot of kids change schools for a whole bunch of reasons that have nothing to do with a sport.

Understand what you're saying, but they all count. Most schools around here have 150 plus boys that decide the division they play and maybe 50 of them on the football team.

[Da man]

Every school has move ins, which will even out the numbers. Renember every kid that transfers before 7th grade isnt as bad as a kid that transfers as a 9th grader.

[svac83]

I don't think you should go through every kid in the school because a lot of kids change schools for a whole bunch of reasons that have nothing to do with a sport.

Understand what you're saying, but they all count. Most schools around here have 150 plus boys that decide the division they play and maybe 50 of them on the football team.

I think i misread your first post. I had thought you meant count all 150 kids in the school and if any of them came from outside the district they should count double. But now i think you mean. Count the entire football roster and count outside ones as 2. If that is what you mean i would have no problem with that.

[ravensfan9]

I'd be surprised if Ironton wasn't afftected. They have a LOT of transfers playing. Last season, both ends, tackle, 2 running back,s on offense were all transfers. Defensively, both ends, noseguard, a linebacker, and db were all transfers.

I wonder if they are going to.keep punishing the kids for transferring. The stupid sit out half a year rule. Seems like double jeopardy having them sit and then punishing the school for taking them. I think the competitive balance solution is good, but they need to do away with the site out garbage.

Ironton could be but their enrollment is low enough that they will probably stay D5 where Wheelersburg is already higher beforethe other numbers kick in.

The transfer rule has to stay or you have the play football for one school, then transfer for basketball and play right away, which is wrong.

This is my opinion....since we have competitive balance....why not make it legal for a kid to go wherever they want each year. If they transfer during the school year...they have to sit 50% of the regular season. I don't think it's fair to punish the kid twice (sit out & potentially hurting them advancing in the tournament by increasing numbers). One or the other is enough, but both is too much!

[Paladin]

Competitive balance has NOT been yet achieved. Time to see if it does what it should do first. As for "transfers", lets be candid -- people cheat. Been doing that for centuries. Anything to hold down dishonest, cheating vermin in athletics is O.K. with me. The days of honest competition are long over with. Drugs, transfers, or anything to gain an advantage are in vogue today. Gone are the days of proudly representing your community, supporting your childhood friends in athletics, playing for the pride of your family in your community. I don't think we will ever see honest competition again, but none the less, trying to keep it honest has my support. And apparently, most schools agree with me as they are the ones who vote on the rules for the OHSAA. The perspective today is CHEAT if you can, one way or another. Sad but true.

[JTEK]

Competitive balance has NOT been yet achieved. Time to see if it does what it should do first. As for "transfers", lets be candid -- people cheat. Been doing that for centuries. Anything to hold down dishonest, cheating vermin in athletics is O.K. with me. The days of honest competition are long over with. Drugs, transfers, or anything to gain an advantage are in vogue today. Gone are the days of proudly representing your community, supporting your childhood friends in athletics, playing for the pride of your family in your community. I don't think we will ever see honest competition again, but none the less, trying to keep it honest has my support. And apparently, most schools agree with me as they are the ones who vote on the rules for the OHSAA. The perspective today is CHEAT if you can, one way or another. Sad but true.

You ain't cheating you ain't tryin

[svac83]

[quote="Paladin"]Competitive balance has NOT been yet achieved. Time to see if it does what it should do first. As for "transfers", lets be candid -- people cheat. Been doing that for centuries. Anything to hold down dishonest, cheating vermin in athletics is O.K. with me. The days of honest competition are long over with. Drugs, transfers, or anything to gain an advantage are in vogue today. Gone are the days of proudly representing your community, supporting your childhood friends in athletics, playing for the pride of your family in your community. I don't think we will ever see honest competition again, but none the less, trying to keep it honest has my support. And apparently, most schools agree with me as they are the ones who vote on the rules for the OHSAA. The perspective today is CHEAT if you can, one way or another. Sad but true.[/qUOTE0

At the highest level this may be true. But i also believe there a ton of people out there doing it right. Are those teams winning championships probably not. But to just paint a broad brush that says everyone is bending the rules and not doing it right is just not true.

[ravensfan9]

Competitive balance has NOT been yet achieved. Time to see if it does what it should do first. As for "transfers", lets be candid -- people cheat. Been doing that for centuries. Anything to hold down dishonest, cheating vermin in athletics is O.K. with me. The days of honest competition are long over with. Drugs, transfers, or anything to gain an advantage are in vogue today. Gone are the days of proudly representing your community, supporting your childhood friends in athletics, playing for the pride of your family in your community. I don't think we will ever see honest competition again, but none the less, trying to keep it honest has my support. And apparently, most schools agree with me as they are the ones who vote on the rules for the OHSAA. The perspective today is CHEAT if you can, one way or another. Sad but true.

Do you think back in 60s, 70s, and 80s kids didn't transfer? That's laughable! Kids have always transfered for different reasons. Maybe they want to play with friends, maybe they don't have confidence in a coach, maybe they just want a better opportunity. Kids should be allowed to transfer wherever they want, with the exception being during a school year. You think the OHSAA is trying to make it fair? If so, you don't understand that organization. They only care about 2 things...money and power. Everything they do is slanted to get money...why do you think playoff sites are always slanted to one school? $$$$ or they prefer a certain team to win. They have done it in track for years!

Why not let the kids decide their playing future. It ure would force schools to have good facilities and good coaches. Also, it would minimize the OHSAA into a tournament organizer. Kids get to pick where they go to school without penalty, the Federal Government is now encouraging kids to go where they want with vouchers etc., so why not let them play wherever they want to go.....

[icanpickem]

OHSAA posted incorrect numbers for a lot of schools first time around.

Corrected version:
http://ohsaa.org/school-resources/school-enrollment

[Ironman92]

OHSAA posted incorrect numbers for a lot of schools first time around.

Corrected version:
http://ohsaa.org/school-resources/school-enrollment

I knew Vinton County's were way off and was pretty sure Jackson's were wrong.

[svac83]

I think competitive balance in count years is going to lead to weird beginning of the seasons.. because for football I am not sure we will know what all teams divisions or regions will be until middle of August or so..

[Paladin]

I see fools persist here. As much as I dislike the OHSAA, they are governed by the SCHOOLS themselves. Issues for rules are put before the MEMBER SCHOOLS who vote up or down on those issues. Majority rules. Therefore, the transfers rules have been voted on and APPROVED by a majority of the member schools of the OHSAA ( your school included). What don't you understand about that ?

I was around in the 60's ( I played then and coached later on) . Few transfers occured and those that did happened at KNOWN CHEATER programs. Transfers , in general rarely happened at most school except for families who MOVED into town, usually on a job transfer or death in the family. People didn't leave to travel to another school. Pride in your community was high . Coaches were more honest. As were school administrators and leagues were much more INTOLERANT of cheaters in their midst.

Today is a zoo and cheaters persist. Rules are set accordingly and enforced. Don't like it ? Don't cheat.

[Raider6309]

I see fools persist here. As much as I dislike the OHSAA, they are governed by the SCHOOLS themselves. Issues for rules are put before the MEMBER SCHOOLS who vote up or down on those issues. Majority rules. Therefore, the transfers rules have been voted on and APPROVED by a majority of the member schools of the OHSAA ( your school included). What don't you understand about that ?

I was around in the 60's ( I played then and coached later on) . Few transfers occured and those that did happened at KNOWN CHEATER programs. Transfers , in general rarely happened at most school except for families who MOVED into town, usually on a job transfer or death in the family. People didn't leave to travel to another school. Pride in your community was high . Coaches were more honest. As were school administrators and leagues were much more INTOLERANT of cheaters in their midst.

Today is a zoo and cheaters persist. Rules are set accordingly and enforced. Don't like it ? Don't cheat.

If your grandkids went to Cardinal Mooney from Cortland no penalty. Cortland to Hubbard there is a penalty. But they've been cheating since they started keeping score

[bfry]

Updated numbers are out. Many schools jumped 50-60 kids.

[svac83]

These numbers are still probably not correct.. because schools have not had a chance to appeal yet.. I think I read somewhere that usually about 20% of schools enrollment changes after schools appeal but after The governor announced school funding changes doubt if any schools would want to lower there enrollment

[svac83]

not sure i believe this set of numbers anymore then last set of numbers
if these numbers are correct the 107 division 7 football schools that have report both years enrollment would of increased 825 kids
the 107 division 6 schools would have total enrollment increases of 966 kids.

some of the schools hardest to believe
Adena 152 up from 126
barnesville 144 up from 118
bellaire 164 up from 129
chesapeake 186 up from 129
coal grove 99 down from 132
monroe central 93 down from 128
belpre 123 up from 98
bridgeport 116 up from 75
contton valley 68 up from 45
eastern beaver 124 up from 75

reedsville eastern 94 up from 74
federal hocking 119 up from 96
lakota 148 up from 99
river 85 down from 111
st thomas aquainas 62 down from 125

still seems pretty iffy