PENN STATE VS OHIO STATE

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Slim Jim wrote:
85inside wrote:Being disappointed after a national championship loss this year. of course when the Bucks lose, Im disappointed. However, I love the selective memory. I was overjoyed with the 2002 title.

OSU only won that one due to a refs bad call...


yeah yeah, the NCAA reviewed that play and said the ref made the right call, find yourself another excuse.


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The offensive line needs something to light a fire under them. Beanie couldnt get a hole all night. They are big and strong, but lack a killer instinct. Their inability to open holes for the running game led to the game being put on Pryors inexperienced shoulders.


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Alot of great post by everyone. We all seem to agree that the O line is terrible and that most teams are not worried TP is going to beat them with his arm. I think most of us would stack the box with 8, against TP. I agree that TB would have prevented this since he can throw the ball,an can go to his other options.

What I meant by my earlier post was to sit down TP and let him watch from the sideline an maybe he can see whats going on downfield on passing downs. This is where alot of you agree Tress should use the 2qb system.

Oh the Mount Union post was good.

We all in Ohio know who plays for National Championships every year.

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I wasn't as disapointed with this lose as I could have been.

The defense played great, they made the "spread HD" look like they'll
need a converter box come the 2009 digital crossover.

The offense, was sluggish, but what do you expect.
The play calling is what it is, it hasn't changed in 7 years, it won't anytime soon.
You can't expect us to run the ball with 8-9 guys in the box all night.
Even when we did pass, PSU brought those 8-9 guys and made Pryor make quick
decisions. Something he can't do yet.

I can't blame Pryor for that fumble. If he had the ball tucked in tighter, he scores on that play.
The amount of open field after that last man was blinding in green.

The most troublesome play I had was the 15 yard penalty made by the defense when
they took the field after the fumble. That put PSU within 20 yards of the endzone, and
our backs to the wall.

PSU is a really good team this year, OSU has a stout defense and an offense with no identity,
and no blocking to help shape that identity.

We are watching the rebuilding process that we all expected last year. It's just a year late.
We will likely not lose again though, and with PSU having the toughest part behind them,
we will likely get a rematch with USC in Pasadena.

If PSU does lose, and we have to go to the Capital One Bowl, it will be against the loser of the
Florida/Georgia game this week.

So what do you want as Buckeye fans:

Rematch with USC out west, or Rematch with Florida in Orlando?


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I would like to see a rematch with USC in the Rose Bowl.


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Did anyone think that a Penn State player illegally batted the ball towards his end zone on the Pryor fumble?

I am not familiar with the names and don't remember the exact number of the Penn State player, but when Robiskie (I think) was diving for the ball, the defensive player swatted it forward and away from him. I have seen that sort of thing called illegal batting before.

If you have the game recorded, check it out and tell me what you think.


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Yes. They did swat the ball upfield, and yes, that is illegal and should have been called.

They also were only penalized once, and it was declined, so they went without any penalties.

Also, Brian Robiskie's catch was overrturned, which was an awful decision on a crucial first down. You tell me how I can sit and watch the game on a big HD tv in my living room with 10 people (me being the only OSU fan) and 8 of the 10 say it was a catch, and yet, somehow it is indisputable evidence that it was not a catch. The reply official was just giving his opinion, which is not what his job entails. It has to be indisputable since it was ruled a catch on the field, and it clearly was disputed by many who saw the game in HD.

Finally, Beanie Wells clearly had the 1st down on the play before Pryor's fumble. Watch it again. It wasn't even close. It should have been 1st down and 10.

Take Joe Pa being old and close to retirement and all of the above into consideration while reading this......

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It's been a long-running joke that the 11-member Big Ten Conference can't count. But in football these days, there's really only one Big Ten team that matters anyway.
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If Big Ten teams fail to stop stellar Buckeyes quarterback Terrelle Pryor during his freshman season, when will they?

There's a lot at stake Saturday in Columbus, Ohio, when Penn State meets Ohio State. This isn't just this season's de facto Big Ten title game. This will reveal whether, for the first time in the conference's history, this has truly become a one-team league.

Ohio State has won two straight undisputed Big Ten titles. No league team has ever won three. The Buckeyes also won in 2005, but shared that title with the Nittany Lions, who won the head-to-head meeting. If the 10th-ranked Buckeyes get by No. 3 Penn State, a few potential land mines remain – at Northwestern, at Illinois – but no games where Ohio State won't be the clear favorite. And from there, of course, phenom quarterback Terrelle Pryor has three more years of eligibility remaining. So if anyone is going to stop the Buckeyes – anyone in the Big Ten, anyway – it may have to be now.

It's in the league's best interest that Penn State does, and not simply because the undefeated Nittany Lions have the better shot at reaching the national-title game.

Leagues ruled by a sole superpower generally aren't good leagues. Having one powerhouse that pushes around the pack is bad for a conference's image, and maybe even for business. Take the Atlantic Coast and Big East conferences, which, for a large stretch of recent history, were respectively dominated by Florida State and Miami. The Seminoles won 12 ACC titles in the 14 seasons from 1992 to 2005. The Hurricanes, who moved to the ACC for the 2004 season, lost one Big East game in its final four seasons of membership.

The ACC and Big East haven't just been the least respected of the major conferences in the public's view. They've also gotten the least respect from the lucrative Bowl Championship Series. The ACC and Big East have received 10 BCS bids each, the fewest of the six big conferences since the system went into use for the 1998 season.

The deficit isn't due to title-game appearances. The ACC and Big East each have made three, one fewer than the Southeastern Conference. It's the at-large bids that those leagues have failed to get. Neither conference has ever had one. The Big Ten (17 total bids), SEC (15) and Big 12 (14) keep snapping up the extra bids, which are projected to be worth roughly $4.5 million this season. That wealth spreads around to all league members.

While Miami and Florida State have declined, Southern California has turned the Pac-10 into a unipolar league. As USC has won or shared six straight league titles, the conference hasn't received an at-large BCS bid since the 2002 season.
[Penn State's Jared Odrick takes down Michigan quarterback Nick Sheridan for a safety.] Getty Images

Coming off its manhandling of Michigan, Penn State appears to be the only Big Ten team capable of shutting the Buckeye juggernaut down.

An advantage the Big Ten enjoys, of course, is the widespread popularity of its teams. But eventually, continued lackluster play by everyone besides the Buckeyes may erode the conference's standing.

Consider: Michigan State and Minnesota may well fill the Big Ten's Capital One and Outback Bowl slots this season on New Year's Day. This likely happens if Penn State and Ohio State both receive BCS bids, which probably would happen if the Buckeyes prevailed Saturday. If PSU and OSU then win out and go BCS, the Capital One and Outback would both remain open. Ohio State has already made minced meat out of Michigan State and Minnesota this season. Neither has beaten any team of significant standing. But with Michigan and Wisconsin suffering down seasons and Illinois and Iowa already toting three losses, the Spartans and Golden Gophers look like the best of the rest.

This would represent great news for the success-starved fanbases of those schools. Michigan State hasn't played New Year's Day since the 1999 season, Minnesota not since calendar-year 1962. But it might hurt the league. What's actually going to happen in those bowl games, both of which will be against upper-echelon teams from the Southeastern Conference? If Minnesota was an underdog against Bowling Green earlier this year, what would the point spread be between the Gophers and LSU, the defending national champion?

The Big Ten has had weak depth before – hence the old "Big Two, Little Eight" jokes of the 1970s – but rarely has it been so dominated by one team. It would do the league some good if Penn State proved there's more to the Big Ten than Ohio State.

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Corrections & Amplifications:

A second Bowl Championship Series berth for one conference guarantees roughly a $4.5 million payout. This article incorrectly states that number to be $17.5 million, which is the payout for the first BCS berth.


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just admit the bucks got beat not cheated beat.


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I don't think OSU got cheated. I was just bringing it up as something to chew on. There is still a reach to get from point A to point B, no doubt.

I am bothered, however, that the last three seasons, OSU has been dead last in the NCAA in opponent's penalties. That should never ever happen when OSU athletically outclasses the majority of their opponents and wins the large majority of their games. I do not think the refs are consciously out to not call penalties against OSU's opponents, I do however feel they are unconsciously evening the playing field. They know who the teams are. They know who should win. They know the histories and recent histories of both teams. The majority of OSU's games are Big10 games.

Make note that no other team in college football consistently ends up at the bottom in opponent's penalties, but OSU has been dead last, dead last each of the last three seasons. There is no good explanation for such a statistic.


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Can someone tell me why Maurice Wells is allowed on the field during the game??? Everytime I see that shag of a hair do run on the field I get a sick feeling in my stomach. I got the same feeling every time Lydell Ross ran onto the field his senior year.

He is terrible. He botched handling the kickoff and gave TP and the offense terrible field position to start a game winning drive.

Ray Small has the same issue with protecting the ball, but is much faster with break away speed.

This is the OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY. Do we not have lightning fast players who can be good return men and protect the football after fielding it cleanly???


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Orestes wrote:I don't think OSU got cheated. I was just bringing it up as something to chew on. There is still a reach to get from point A to point B, no doubt.

I am bothered, however, that the last three seasons, OSU has been dead last in the NCAA in opponent's penalties. That should never ever happen when OSU athletically outclasses the majority of their opponents and wins the large majority of their games. I do not think the refs are consciously out to not call penalties against OSU's opponents, I do however feel they are unconsciously evening the playing field. They know who the teams are. They know who should win. They know the histories and recent histories of both teams. The majority of OSU's games are Big10 games.

Make note that no other team in college football consistently ends up at the bottom in opponent's penalties, but OSU has been dead last, dead last each of the last three seasons. There is no good explanation for such a statistic.


Here's an explanation, when teams play Ohio State i'm sure that the coaches preach to them that entire week that they have to play mistake free football in order to have a good chance to win. So through practice i'm sure that they stress the point of not committing any penalties, becuase they know the consequences if they do.

Penn State has been known throughout their history of playing fundementally and not commiting a great number of penalties, and are usually ranked in the top ten in least penalized teams in the country year in and year out.


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The Bucks weren't cheated, they just gave the game away. The ball and the lead with 6 minutes left? Please!


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Cupboards need to be cleaned out in C-bus w/o a doubt. Vanilla offense and lack of inspiration in our o-line. Ray Charles could see the PSU defense creeping closer and closer and yet we still don't try anything downfield or better yet run TB in the ballgame just to see how the d reacts. If they don't react at all let him throw the ball a few times and complete some of those gimme passes that TP can't yet find. I said this after the YSU game and got laughed at but TP threw a ball to the sideline and I swear it is still in the air. Now we see not only first read-run technique but compiled with adjusting defenses and the 100% PT just isn't working. Beanie is too good to just let the D tee off on him every play running a punt block defense. Yeah the line sucks but my question is if they haven't improved in their time at tOSU then who is to say that under the same coaching that TP will improve. Tress stays and both DC & OC have to go, maybe more. And Tress needs to oversee the program and let his coaches teach and coach the game.

I totally agree about Mo Wells, since he fumbled against UM a couple years back, 2 carries 1 fumble, I have no faith in him, much like that loser Stanley Jackson! And Ray Small is the same kinda player, he has one good play to 10 bad plays.

The youth will prevail eventually for these Bucks and they will be back but must address alot of problems before that ever happens. Simplest solution for this season is 60/40 pt at QB spot or 70/30 or something. And maybe a good swift kick to the linemen.


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